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After the awful Hobbit trilogy I re-watched the Extended Editions of the LOTR trilogy to cleans myself of that filth. I admit my favorite is easily Fellowship of the Ring, and Two Towers is very watchable, but I find ROTK just drags on and on. It's the one of the trilogy that feels like it loses steam the most. After the Rohan charge to save Gondor it feels like the end (like the end of Helm's Deep), but of course it keeps going and going. If ROTK was split into two films, part 1 and 2, Peter Jackson could have filled in most of the stuff missing from what we got, and the half hour ending could have been softened with the Scouring of The Shire which a hypothetical ROTK part 2 certainly could have had. I'm surprised they didn't do this considering how heavy the last act of LOTR is, and after the box office success of Fellowship. They did it for the last Harry Potter... am I right? Shelob stinging Frodo and Orcs taking him away would have made a great cliffhanger for the end of ROTK part 1.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:31
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Just have movies be their own thing please...
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Sep 30, 2015 06:46
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Yeah, remember this was when a trilogy was a trilogy. I've heard this complaint before, honestly I wished there were more to it. Maybe the scouring should be it's own film, I dunno. In any case, rounding out the trilogy with the whole slow-mo "say goodbye to everybody" thing was as good of way to end it than anything else.
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Sep 30, 2015 07:01
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I thought it was fine as one movie. I have yet to see the LOTR films on BluRay though; how do they look?
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Sep 30, 2015 07:07
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Immortan posted:I thought it was fine as one movie. I have yet to see the LOTR films on BluRay though; how do they look? Green.
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Sep 30, 2015 07:19
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Sort of related, I have the extended cuts on DVD and they're all split over two discs, and the halfway point in RotK is so bad. Just smack in the middle of a horncall, as if whoever was cutting it didn't have sound on.
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Sep 30, 2015 07:37
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Yeah I too wish that slog of poo poo that felt like it never ended would have been 6 combined hours over 2 movies.
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Sep 30, 2015 08:04
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davidspackage posted:Sort of related, I have the extended cuts on DVD and they're all split over two discs, and the halfway point in RotK is so bad. Just smack in the middle of a horncall, as if whoever was cutting it didn't have sound on. This is almost as shameful as the tv edit of The Godfather where it fades out right after Michael stands up to excuse himself and then cuts to him already being in Sicily.
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Sep 30, 2015 08:28
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Fellowship is the only one of all those movies that still holds up. The rest are just terrible and drawn out. I have zero desire to ever watch them again.
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Sep 30, 2015 14:10
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It should have just been shorter.
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Sep 30, 2015 14:23
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TrixRabbi posted:It should have just been shorter. 
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Sep 30, 2015 14:35
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LOTR works beautifully when you split the extended cuts across three nights and use the disc break as an intermission. A lot of people don't realize that long movies were never meant to be watched in one long sitting. Even for classics like Lawrence of Arabia and Ben-Hur, the theater would have at least a 15 minute intermission between parts of the film. Even the long version of Abel Gance's Napoleon, running almost six hours, is shown with two intermissions (one 15 minutes long, the other an hour).
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Sep 30, 2015 22:34
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Neo Rasa posted:This is almost as shameful as the tv edit of The Godfather where it fades out right after Michael stands up to excuse himself and then cuts to him already being in Sicily. What. Is that really real?
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Sep 30, 2015 22:46
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Egbert Souse posted:A lot of people don't realize that long movies were never meant to be watched in one long sitting. Even for classics like Lawrence of Arabia and Ben-Hur, the theater would have at least a 15 minute intermission between parts of the film. Even the long version of Abel Gance's Napoleon, running almost six hours, is shown with two intermissions (one 15 minutes long, the other an hour). Old movies: the original "binge watch".
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Sep 30, 2015 23:17
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I watched extended versions of all three films consecutively. Morning to night. Holds up, IMO.
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Oct 1, 2015 06:18
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Vegetable posted:I watched extended versions of all three films consecutively. Morning to night. Holds up, IMO. The only bad part about the ROTK theatrical release was the absence of this guy:  Because he owned. E; Now my av. 
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Oct 1, 2015 06:29
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Neo Rasa posted:This is almost as shameful as the tv edit of The Godfather where it fades out right after Michael stands up to excuse himself and then cuts to him already being in Sicily. Wait...what? Like, the murder isn't even in the movie?
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Oct 1, 2015 06:40
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I don't have a problem with ROTK's theatrical length. It's the only one of the three that I think doesn't need most of the scenes from the extended edition. In particular, the scene after the Halls of the Dead where it's already revealed the dead are going to fight with them completely takes the surprise out of the ships arriving to Minas Tirith. We sort of dodged a bullet with LOTR, I think. LOTR and Harry Potter pretty much started this cinematic trend of "every book gets its own movie and sometimes 2 movies". Considering the books were actually written in 6 parts and Tolkien never liked it being called a trilogy, if it were made a decade later we likely would've gotten 6 LOTR films and then the Hobbit trilogy.
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Oct 1, 2015 07:06
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Yes, like literally he starts walking away from the table past the camera, fade out, commercials, the entire shooting/immediate fallout of that didn't happen.
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Oct 1, 2015 07:08
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Personally I think Two Towers and Return of the King should've been combined into one. All of the coolest, most memorable Middle-earth stuff is in Fellowship. Some of it appeared in The Hobbit first, but in the movies we got it all in the first one. This whole world with its races and history, Gandalf, the Ringwraiths, the Ring itself, and the mother of all RPG quests. Comparatively there isn't a lot of really exciting new imagery in the later two movies. There's a) epic war poo poo and b) Gollum, who's like the one major element in Tolkien's books that didn't become a Fantasy staple. Combined with some of the lesser attractions like the Ents or Shelob's lair that might've been enough to keep one movie up to the level of Fellowship. But not two that cover the same ground. Much less three. The last times I watched them I turned it off after Eowyn kills the Witch-King. You have to time it carefully because I think it cuts from that to the bit with Legolas and the elephant, but if you get it right then "I am no man" is the last line of the series.
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Oct 1, 2015 09:41
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The Horse in Tears posted:Personally I think Two Towers and Return of the King should've been combined into one. See, Legolas and the elephant was fine the first time, because there's like...1 scene of that sort of stuff per movie (there's two in the Two towers, but not one in Fellowship, so it averages out okay) and Legolas is supposed to be a ninja type dude. The problem came in the Hobbit films when everyone started moving and fighting like that.
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Oct 1, 2015 10:24
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Immortan posted:The only bad part about the ROTK theatrical release was the absence of this guy: I always thought it was funny that he was played by Bruce Spence, who was also in the Matrix sequels and then Revenge of the Sith. Within a year or two, roles in three of the biggest movie series of the 00s.
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Oct 1, 2015 19:28
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Return had the most pointless bullshit in the extended version. I don't give a poo poo about the scouring of the Shire. I do give a poo poo about how Saruman died, I guess. Really, the stupid ghost poo poo should've been cut entirely and replaced with the mouth of Sauron and Saruman death scenes. And then the ending could've just been "we're going home Frodo" and a voice over saying "and everything was fine" instead of what felt like 10 epilogues in a row.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:40
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Chairman Capone posted:I always thought it was funny that he was played by Bruce Spence, who was also in the Matrix sequels and then Revenge of the Sith. Within a year or two, roles in three of the biggest movie series of the 00s. Yeah, I missed him in Fury Road but that fucker's probably got Andy Serkis money.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:51
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He's one of Mr. Book's henchmen in Dark City also though I think he only has one or two lines.
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Oct 2, 2015 07:13
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"This movie drags on and is boring, surely the solution to that is to pad it out into more movies, like those Hobbit movies I hate so much."
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Oct 16, 2015 22:34
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zVxTeflon posted:Yeah I too wish that slog of poo poo that felt like it never ended would have been 6 combined hours over 2 movies.
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Oct 17, 2015 05:31
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The Lord of the Rings series is exactly as long as it should be.
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Oct 17, 2015 06:06
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Fellowship extended is a very good movie and I actually find it to be a remarkable piece of ~*film history*~ on its own. And I specifically mean that green DVD box set. Like literally I think that specific box set drastically changed my own and a lot of other people's perceptions about entertainment and the entire film industry. It owned way more than it had any responsibility to own.
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Oct 17, 2015 09:42
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I remember when these movies came out and how insufferable movie nerds acted about them. too much bitterness from that era for me to ever praise these films
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Oct 17, 2015 14:41
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starry skies above posted:I remember when these movies came out and how insufferable movie nerds acted about them. too much bitterness from that era for me to ever praise these films They're p good.
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Oct 17, 2015 16:43
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The 4 hour cut of ROTK is about as close as we've come to the perfect fantasy movie. So no gently caress off.
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Oct 17, 2015 17:46
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Steve2911 posted:The 4 hour cut of ROTK is about as close as we've come to the perfect fantasy movie. So no gently caress off. Then again the original cut of Fellowship of the Ring is the perfect fantasy movie.
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Oct 17, 2015 18:19
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Alhazred posted:Then again the original cut of Fellowship of the Ring is the perfect fantasy movie. Exactly. It's amazing how loving tight that movie is compared to the other 5,
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Oct 17, 2015 18:21
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Alhazred posted:Then again the original cut of Fellowship of the Ring is the perfect fantasy movie. Extended cut Fellowship is also really good. I have a hard time deciding which is better.
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Oct 17, 2015 18:24
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Extended cut Fellowship is also really good. I have a hard time deciding which is better. The extended opening scene with Bilbo narrating the shire is so good.
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Oct 17, 2015 21:14
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GonSmithe posted:The extended opening scene with Bilbo narrating the shire is so good. I think that opening a movie with two different narrations is pushing it.
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Oct 17, 2015 21:37
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Alhazred posted:I think that opening a movie with two different narrations is pushing it. They could have an entire movie dedicated to the Shire, and I would've gobbled it up. Everything's so cozy!
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Oct 18, 2015 15:15
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I wish there had been 500 more hours of LOTR. The movies are loving awesome, everything about them rules. They were obviously made by people who really, REALLY cared that they got it right and had serious dedication to the source material. That dedication is what makes the ridiculous fanfiction of the Hobbit movies so confusing and infuriating. LOTR: "Let's make sure Aragorn is wearing the Ring of Barahir. We'll never even mention it and no one but the most hardcore of nerds even know what the gently caress it is but it's important to his legacy and past so let's make sure we put it in there." Hobbit: "How about if we just make up an elf character and put her in a weird third-wheel love triangle with Legolas and a dwarf? In fact, let's just make a up a bunch of new characters and add in lots and lots of poo poo that didn't happen in the story. Also let's make Smaug trip over a loving rope."
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Oct 18, 2015 15:56
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I love when people call movies they don't like fanfiction. Especially when they then try to push their own fanfiction as canon.
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