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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

CarlCX posted:

So BJ Penn called out loving Nik Lentz on UFC Tonight and says he wants to make a 145-pound comeback to piss off Mike Dolce.

I trust BJ Penn's completely upright stance will truly be able to overcome a man who is a 145 pound Jon Fitch.

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Ronda doesn't so much close distance as view that she needs to get her arms under your arms and if a fist is in the way then break the fist on her own skull. Holm is dead.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Memento posted:

So the promo exists because they know how bad the fight will be? Makes sense. Although, even with destroying her opponents in under a minute, Ronda keeps popping those buyrates.

Quick someone try to work out why the Klitschko's can't draw a dime.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Memento posted:

Nobody wants to gently caress the Klitschkos.
I dont know if you realised what can of worms you just opened before hitting post. Good luck.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfiI-8AfPYw

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

fatherdog posted:

Because they throw about the same number of strikes Ronda does but stretched out over 8-12 rounds.

The Klitschko's are really, impressively good but seeing someone jab their outmatched opponent's face off for 7 rounds before deciding to maybe throw a right hand or two isn't as exciting as seeing someone take out their outmatched opponent in an animated gif timeframe.
I was veing sardonic directed at this post

Memento posted:

So the promo exists because they know how bad the fight will be? Makes sense. Although, even with destroying her opponents in under a minute, Ronda keeps popping those buyrates.

Who then replied that the difference between the two was Ronda being an object to gently caress reducing her fights to sex object. Rather than y'know them being dull as blazes.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Keven. Just. Keven posted:

If Ryan Bader fought opponents of the caliber that RR fights he'd be the most dynamic knockout artist in MMA history.

Ryan Bader went to decision with Carmelo Marrero, Eric Schafer and Elliott "The Fire" Marshall.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The Robbie Lawler Postulate

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Cyber Dog posted:

Sage Northcutt on his MMA hero:

“I like Georges St-Pierre a lot...He’s ripped; he’s lean. He’s a fighter I’ve looked up to and watched since I was little, growing up.”

Zoom Out

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Ronda wrote an article

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/vict...6-1227566600899

quote:

AUGUST of 2008, in Beijing, China I was doing everything I could to break the arm of a woman I barely knew from Algeria.

Being an experienced judoka herself, she knew that there was nothing she could do to stop me and tapped me on the leg to signal she gave up.

I won the match en route to my Olympic bronze medal in judo.

I was the first woman from my country to win an Olympic medal in the sport.

Many people called me an American hero that day.

February of 2013 in a sold-out arena in California I was doing everything I could to

break the arm of another woman I barely knew named Liz Carmouche.

An experienced fighter herself, she knew there was nothing she could to stop me and tapped my leg to admit defeat.

I was the first woman to win a UFC title.

Many called me a barbarian that day.

I am a fighter.

But I am not a violent person.

I don’t enjoy hurting people.

If anyone gets hurt, it is not the aim of my actions — in fact I prefer winning with no one getting hurt.

But injuries are part of my business, just like carpal tunnel is for people who type all day to make a living.

For some reason I was born to a mother who was a judo world champion.

For some reason I lost my father to suicide at eight years old.

I had so much bottled up grief and anger and self-loathing and for some reason I found an outlet that saved me.

Fighting.

To me fighting is not an exhibition of brutality or a glorification of violence.

Fighting is a metaphor for life.

Everyone you meet every day is fighting for something, but life gets complicated and what you’re fighting for sometimes isn’t very clear.

But an actual fight is black and white, a relief from all the grays in the not so literal ones we’re all engaged in.

When was the last time something rough touched your skin?

When was the last time you even had to endure an uncomfortable temperature?

When was the last time you were in a real high-pressure situation?

We live in a time of soft fabrics, air conditioning and participation trophies.

We all have a need to feel a little uncomfortable to convince ourselves we’re awake.

An instinctual need to pinch ourselves as proof we aren’t dreaming.

That pinch could be in the form of sitting down and watching a fight, gasping and cringing and jumping and shouting and feeling your heart race for the fighter you for some reason chose to identify with.

Fighting provides vicarious glory for the fan.

When in the UFC Octagon I’m not thinking about hurting the person standing in front of me.

I’m problem solving.

What could they possibly be thinking?

What do they know about me?

What do they think would work on me based on what they know?

How are they trying to solve me? What some call a blood sport, I call a high stakes game of wits.

Of all the things in the world I have to worry about in the past and future, the only thing on my mind during a fight is that exact moment and the problem I’m trying to solve.

It’s an escape and an outlet for the artist.

It’s not a brawl.

It’s not gore and brutality.

It’s an art.

It’s an opportunity for courage.

It’s an exercise of overcoming.

And I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t judge me for it.

MMA's greatest ambassador by a mile.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
I'd die for Genki v Ronda in metamoris

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
She's not wrong

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

shizen posted:

Everyone else he trains has gotten worse since working with him so she has a good point.

This was my take away from it too. The guys who first trained Jon Jones can't take credit for making him whole, he just is. The same goes for Ronda and the evidence excluding Ronda is he sucks.

I'd love to see Matt Hume train Ronda.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Snowman_McK posted:

Because if there's one thing we need to see, it's a more dominant Ronda.

But yeah, it's like how everyone at Roufousports who isn't Anthony Pettis is a walking concussion.

Rufus has some talent shown, even though he's 1-3 in his last 4 Erik Koch has shown he is a consistent top ten+ for example. Also he has Funky.

Ronda's camp is a WMMA Deathclutch.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Ronda please move to AMC Pankration like yesterday.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Bundt Cake posted:

Ronda Rousey Discussion thread please

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

attackmole posted:

this is the rowdy ronda rousey discussion forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQWNGbzhu8

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Doing some googling she might be talking about how MMA was her hobby.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
whats an eddie gordon

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

niethan posted:

Is Duffy's third fight in the UFC being a main event a record of some sorts? Probably not, right?

Anderson debuted in the main event vs Chris Leben

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

EmmyOk posted:

Argh this drought is the worst! Anyways I watched the Jacaré/Kennedy fight last night and it was p good but I thought it was fairly even. What are more knowledgeable goons thoughts on it?

Jacare got a lot better in the last five years.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
It's October and looking at the upcoming cards theres pretty limited time left for a Fighter of the Year. There are two slam dunk situations - if Conor beats Aldo or if Cerrone beats Dos Anjos they are far far ahead of the pack. Apart from them the cases are Demetrious, who is always in the top three but because it's Flyweight *shrug*, Chris Weidman (though he needs to beat Rockhold first), and Joanna Champion (but of cause, shallow as gently caress).

If Conor and Cerrone both lose I have no idea who is the best fighter this year.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
In no universe do I consider Bethe Correira and Holly Holm as identifiably good. Cat Zingano at least has an argument, and Ronda killed her, but these other two fights are nonsense.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
No I'm fairly sure they're both bad in any metric.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

vainman posted:

Cormier had a pretty good year

January 3rd, 2015

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Bubba Smith posted:

he did lose (and cry) but he had a competitive 3 rounds with the champion and then beat the two other top guys in the division & won a belt in the process. That's a pretty good year for anybody. Cerrone and Conor are like the only two guys who are gonna have a better year if they win their upcoming championship bouts.

I'm trying to recall DC being competitive with Jones. He didn't get blown out and did win round 1, but a lot of my memories of that fight are DC trying really hard to take down Jones and failing while Jones took down DC a lot. DC won a "moral" victory by spending the last round rather than going for a KO or anything just trying to take down Jones.

That fight cannot be held as "DC had a great year!" when he became champion because the guy who beat him comprehensively left

Lloyd Boner posted:

How about RDA if he beats Cowboy? Only two wins, but against some pretty insane competition, and he became champ as a 5-to-1 underdog.

But I think it would have to go to one of the gals (assuming they win their next fights and Conor/Cerrone don't), since they would be the only champs with 3 wins in the year.

I have a rational hatred of RDA and so I'm biased against considering him for anything.

Marching Powder posted:

it's unfortunate that robbie's technically only going to have one fight this year. if either the hendricks or the condit fight had been in 2015 he'd be a shoe in. even the one title fight he did have was so incredible i'd still say that he beats anyone except hopefully cerrone

There's no way that if Conor beats Aldo anyones had a better year than him. Defeating the #2 best featherweight and the champion in the same year from being an upstart is Chris Weidman levels of greatness.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Marching Powder posted:

bullshit. he beat a guy who had been out of training and on a 2 week camp. he fought with such glaring holes in his game that the real contender would have hosed him up beyond belief and aldo is basically the only guy in the entire upper echelon of the division that plays to his strength. even if he beats aldo, he'd still be the second best guy in the division until he proves otherwise.

chris weidman is objectively way, way better and more accomplished than conor

I love Frankie Two-Times as much or more than the next guy but currently Frankie has a loss to Aldo which until that is resolved he is lower on the totem pole, and Chad "only 2 weeks" only previous losses had been to Aldo. Two week camp doesn't really go with him stopping Chad straight up. I might be biased against RDA but you're pretty clearly biased against Conor.

Edit: "Weidman levels of greatness" refers to his rise to the top of Middleweight and killing the untouched champion of years gone by. Not purely fighting style/ability. I wouldn't put Conor as equal to Weidman on any pound for pound lists.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Marching Powder posted:

i am biased against conor for sure. but i watched aldo / edgar without bias and aldo lost without a doubt in my mind so i don't mind arguing from that point of view, but even without that point of view the extremely poor performance against chad's wrestling indicated that conor would beat frankie maybe one time in ten, making conor still number 2 in my opinion even if he beats aldo.

go back and watch how chad moved in his second aldo fight and how he was standing straight in front of conor and try saying that 'it's basically the same chad'. it wasn't. conor beat a shell when a fitter, and all around better opponent was just waiting in the wings who was not chosen purely because exactly what they were afraid of (conor being unable to wrestle at the elite level) was insanely correct and frankie who has 5 rounds in him any day of the year would have breakdanced all over conor's guard and likely submitted him.

To extend this though I believe Cerrone and RDA both would be crushed by Khabib (and Khabib has a win over RDA that unlike Edgar-Aldo isn't debatable) but that doesn't mean I would reduce Cerrone's achievements if he beats RDA even though I rank both him and RDA below Khabib. It's irrational thinking when the metric is "who had the best year" not "who is the best in their division". If it was the latter this would be the third year in a row where Mighty Mouse was FOTY honestly.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Bundt Cake posted:

will werdum fight again this year? he beat cain velasquez this year, so thats pretty god

One and done, same issue with Robbie.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Bundt Cake posted:

Who was fighter of the year 2 years ago

Weidman

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Bundt Cake posted:

Then tell me who it was 3 years ago, and 4!

4 years ago was Jon Jones for having the best year in MMA history. 3 years ago was... Strikeforce Ronda maybe? That is retrospect though. Maybe Jones again.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

vainman posted:

Why do you not like RDA, Lid? He's an old man who had a late career resurgence and has nice abs

He's 155 Vitor with all the baggage that goes along with it and manages to be much less interesting to watch with a head like a brick. He's fine in all areas, but he's just merely "fine". He is the worst case of an all-rounder in that he excels in no area except EPO assisted cardio.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Dangersim posted:

Jon jones on 2011 is one of the best years anyone has ever had

Also this, it's Jones 2011 vs Shogun 2005 for best year ever.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

late career resurgent drug addict

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

david carmichael posted:

he was a fantastic prospect from the jump and he never really had a career slump

There was that time he got uppercut and that time he was tapped by Clay Guida on accident.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Either way RDA is taking on Cerrone and/or Khabib next and i don't think hes a favourite in either match, even with the win over Cerrone previously (before losing to Khabib). I dont know RDA just doesnt gel with me, he just seemed to ne "there" and on the list of people i just never got. Hell i still think of TJ Grant more than RDA and hes never fighting again.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Bluedeanie posted:

If CM Punk even makes it to the cage at this point, his opponent will be someone no one has ever heard of.

They said they'd treat Punk like all 0-0 fighters.

Like Matt Mitrione or Amir Sadollah.

Cough.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
I picked McLovin over Semtex.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

LobsterMobster posted:

The devastating 1-2 newz combo of MMA Sucka and the Stud Show Radio say that Jojo Calderwood is out, and Thug Rose will face Paige VanZant.

Thats a step up for Paige. JoJo is heading towards being womens Uncle Creepy currently.

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

-Atom- posted:

Chad kept Conor on his back for like two rounds having just got off the couch

If they rematched Conor would lose bad

My fight fanfiction too sees Conor KOing Chad as entirely analogous to Serra v GSP I.

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