iZombie S3: "Lich, please"

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Tiggum: Oct 24, 2007; Your life and your quest end here.

atomicgeek posted:

Okay, the brother is taking this awfully personally. I mean, if I had the level of info that he does I'd be all "thanks for not giving me hep C, or AIDS, or w/e" but nope, we gotta have Drama.

It's pissing me off that she won't just use that as an excuse. She doesn't even have to say she has HIV, just that she got exposed recently and may have it, the test results aren't back yet.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 04:42

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# ¿ Apr 19, 2024 18:24

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THF13 posted:

I also was a bit annoyed that she couldn't come up with a medical reason for not being able to donate blood. A bigger annoyance though is that Detective Babineaux apparently hasn't picked up that Liv picks up the personalities of the victims yet. It's really not very subtle at all and he already believes she's a psychic.

That is also really irritating. Even if he hasn't picked up on it himself, she should just tell him. "I get psychic visions and pick up personality traits from dead people" isn't any harder to believe than "I get psychic visions from dead people".

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 07:45

Tiggum: Oct 24, 2007; Your life and your quest end here.

johntfs posted:

Yeah, but "I get psychic visions from dead people" is much easier to deal with than "I get psychic visions and pick up personality traits from dead people by eating their brain matter."

But she doesn't need to mention the brain thing. Just say it works by spending time in close proximity to dead people, that's why it's always people at the morgue.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 03:48

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Brother Entropy posted:

did babianeaux ending their partnership seem abrupt to anyone else? like, the reasoning was solid but the conversation seemed real short and going straight from that into 'oh, liv and major have to break up and oh, the cure they thought was good was only temporary' gave it no real time to dwell on

I think all that coming so fast was to give a better sense of Liv's whole world falling apart all at once.

Angela Christine posted:

Unfortunately zombie prostitutes aren't able to make a living their usual way, and her new 'clients' probably resent her and treat her poorly because she works for Blaine. It's possible Blaine just didn't think things through and didn't realize that he was removing 100% of her income and she would eventually run out of money and lose her house. He probably just didn't care though. In our society prostitutes are considered disposable.

I think Blaine considers everyone to be disposable.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2015 14:49

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DarklyDreaming posted:

He's still technically "Cured" right now though so Peyton's probably fine.

Except that we know the virus is still in the "cured" people, just dormant, so they could easily still be infectious. Maybe the dormant virus is transmitted to others and they've just got a delay on when their symptoms begin.

zoux posted:

It was kind of a throwaway gag in an episode full of them but I loved the delivery when Ravi and Major agreed with Liv about Clyde filling out a fitted shirt.

Ravi is the best part of this show every episode.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2016 16:08

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Lycus posted:

I wonder if Blaine's gonna tell one of his zombie cronies, "gently caress it, scratch me. I gotta kill a crime lord."

Not sure it would even work, since the virus is presumably still in his system. My question is, why not just have a couple of his zombie goons go take out Mr Boss?

# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 15:58

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

From a writing perspective, it's just way too simple to resolve the plot that way.

From a rationalize the writing perspective: the absolute last thing Blaine wants Boss to find out about is zombies. If he's going to kill Boss, he's going to do it so he can fully take over his crime network. That's going to take a lot of time and planning.

I guess he's not ready for Boss to disappear just yet, but the whole thing of working with the DA seems unnecessarily risky when he can just make Boss disappear any time he wants so long as he's still the only one with an army of zombie minions. I guess there's the possibility that Boss might acquire some zombies of his own, but I wouldn't place that as a greater risk than the ones he exposes himself to by going to the DA.

# ¿ Feb 11, 2016 06:41

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drainpipe posted:

I'm so glad Clive revealed that he has noticed Liv adopting the personality of the victims each week (and had noticed for a while). It was about drat time as it was getting less and less believable that Clive would not have picked up on that.

Yeah, that was overdue, but really well done.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2016 17:12

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Also, they've probably mentioned this before, but what do zombie rats eat? That one super zombie rat really wanted a piece of Ravi and Major, so they probably want human brains, but do they rat brains as well. If so, why are they more omnivorous than humans?

I think they just attack humans because they're hyper-aggressive, not because they want human brains.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2016 16:04

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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Welp, I guess Blaine get Liv's boyfriend "killed"

I'm thinking maybe he was feeling all sentimental already when he did that, and decided to get him out of Liv's life because he knows about the whole triple-agent thing.

Combed Thunderclap posted:

This isn't that kind of show, but I'd be very amused if this is what happened, they cut away, and we just...never see the Max Rager CEO ever again. (And also Rita is in charge.)

They might do it as a fake-out. Major comes into work and Rita's there acting like she's in charge so we think Vaughn's dead but then he just turns up again in the next episode.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2016 17:25

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Oasx posted:

Buffy set a really high bar for musicals, if you can't get close to that then it is probably nor worth doing.

Disagree, because musical episodes are always good. Buffy, Scrubs, Daria, they're all highlights, even where that means "the highlight of an otherwise lovely season".

Angela Christine posted:

No one else is allowed to damage his property. He's allowed to do whatever he wants with his stuff.

Though, to be fair to the dickwad he has been jacked up on the new drink formula, so he's got enhanced fight or flight responses. Not really conducive to thoughtful decision making. Without it he'd still consider everyone but himself disposable, because that's the kind of person he is, but he probably wouldn't have bouts of random violence.

Just want to say, this seems to be pretty much on the money,

# ¿ Mar 27, 2016 18:13

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

I honestly have no idea how they're keeping this many plot lines in the air

All I know is that I NEED ANSWERS

Yeah, this episode really left a lot of plates spinning.

Cactus posted:

"I'm not killing them, I'm deep-freezing them. I'm being coerced into doing this against my will."

is all Major would've needed to say to get Ravi to continue hearing him out. Instead we got the "I CAN EXPLAIN" without, y'know, actually explaining. It only stuck out to me because this show is usually above such cheap contrivances. Having characters not communicating to create drama brought back terrible memories of the dark days of watching Lost.

All they needed to do to make it work is have him start to go zombie a little bit quicker so he didn't have time to do the dumb "I can explain" thing.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

A great episode. I hope they keep finding ways to bring back Johnny Frost. Once a season would be great.

Agreed 100%.

Angela Christine posted:

This is the early stages of an extinction level event. If a couple million people get infected, that's it, we're done.

Nah, at some point before it becomes a catastrophe it's going to be impossible to keep under wraps. It's already kind of at the level where it's hard to keep it secret. If there were many more zombies, the authorities would notice and take action.

FoxTerrier posted:

So, the cure works, but you're permanently stuck with the personality of the last brain you ate? That's....interesting. Sets up a good conflict between taking the cure and being, well, cured, but at the expense of self.

I can't imagine them keeping Blaine with a plain vanilla personality for so long tough, so I assume there's got to be some catch involved. I have no idea what however.

I'm pretty sure he's just lost all his memories. And I'm sure he'll get them back before long, because he's too good a character to basically throw away like that. Two or three episodes of amnesia should be enough for Don E and Chief to get into trouble and then Blaine can get his memories back just in time to save them.

Air is lava! posted:

But they are on the way to get themselves killed by Boss, so there.

I doubt they'll die, but my guess is this is how Boss finds out about zombies.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2016 16:24

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Woden posted:

If they weren't lying to each other we wouldn't have the drama. Liv not lying to Major would have killed his arc and most of season one, her not lying to Peyton would kill seasons twos Peyton arc as well as Blaines, etc.

This is one of the few examples of this actually being done well though. Everyone's motives for keeping other people in the dark make sense for them. None of them are purely for the sake of drama. Like, compare this to Arrow to see the polar opposites of how to use this trope. Liv was hiding it from Major because she didn't know what was going on and was scared and then it spiralled out of control. Major was keeping everyone in the dark because he knew what he was doing was wrong.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2016 16:26

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zoux posted:

I keep forgetting to ask, but what do yall think of the new convention this season of doing a foodie style prep montage for every brain dish?

IMO I'm not sure I've seen something as appetizing and disgusting at the same time.

I can't say that any of them have made any particular impression on me. But then again, I do regularly browse the anti-food porn thread.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2016 17:36

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Angela Christine posted:

That was good. I have high hopes that they will find a way to make the new situation work without totally changing the show.

Yeah. That line about Seattle becoming the zombie capital was a bit worrying, but I'm hoping that won't happen, because if zombies become public knowledge then I don't see any way it can stay the same show.

Air is lava! posted:

Man, Don E saving his skin by begging for a headshot and then pissing the guy off, so he wouldn't grant him his wish was really smart.

That scene was really great.

BurritoJustice posted:

I loved everything about the finale, except for them killing off Rita. Ever since she snuck into Liv's apartment to steal brains I was hoping she would end up as a sassy zombie member of the main cast. I also have no idea why she went full romero, considering that she was a "scratch" zombie and not a "utopium and max rager combo" zombie.

Agreed on all counts.

TMMadman posted:

I was a little surprised that Rita died, but I'm not really bothered by it.

I was. It seems like she was kind of in the background the whole time and I thought she was finally going to get a more prominent role, but then she just inexplicably turned full zombie and got killed.

Selachian posted:

I was hoping to see a Rita-Blaine power couple, myself. Oh well.

That would have been amazing.

muscles like this? posted:

Also, was it just me or was Blaine kind of acting like his old self there at the end?

I got that impression as well. Maybe it didn't mean anything, but I won't be surprised if he turns out to be getting his memories back.

Oasx posted:

It is a shame that Chief died

Agreed.

Flagrant Abuse posted:

So it was pretty much either kill her or let her get off essentially scot-free.

Just like Blaine in season one.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2016 17:01

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FoxTerrier posted:

Was anyone else screaming at the TV, calling Liv a dumbfuck for hugging major and not GIVING HIM THE BRAINS? No? Just me? K.

No, I was thinking the same thing.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2016 03:42

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BJPaskoff posted:

I don't think every character in every show needs an epic storyline where they're explored to their full potential before getting killed off. It makes things too predictable.

That is true, but when it's just one character and the rest of them continue to have the usual protection that comes from being a central character, it feels off.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2016 16:52

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Shaded Spriter posted:

I like the twist they did with Fillmore Graves - I was going into this season expecting them to be literally Umbrella corporation evil. I hope that the deaths at the end of this episode isn't some sort of false flag attempt by them and there is some Zombie killing people out there.

The boss woman seemed genuinely affected by the news when there was no one there for her to be acting for, so unless there's some secret shadow leadership behind her it's not likely to be a false flag.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 15:49

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Cojawfee posted:

That's what I thought. That's just begging for any super power in the world nuking the whole island and saying "We had to do it to prevent this virus from spreading further."

You think any country would nuke an American island full of American citizens?

# ¿ Apr 6, 2017 03:59

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radlum posted:

�Heaven just got a little bit smoother�

That line reminded me how much I love this show. So happy it's back.

The whole thing with Rob Thomas being dead was just great.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2017 19:47

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hangedman1984 posted:

I loved the part where they were talking poo poo about musician Rob Thomas, but really veiled show creator Rob Thomas making fun of himself.

I preferred the bit last season where Vaughn was talking about how great Rob Thomas is.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2017 20:12

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I fell behind and just caught up on the last few episodes - is it just me or have Liv's personality changes this season been way more cartoonish than previously? Like, she eats someone's brain and then instead of just getting influenced by their stronger personality traits she goes all-in on one really extreme thing that's not even necessarily a personality trait. Like, the D&D guy probably wasn't living D&D 24 hours a day, and the dad-brain turned her into the dadliest dad imaginable.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 14:57

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TwoPair posted:

I feel like the finale really ruins the whole crime angle of the show. Like, now a ton of murder cases are gonna end with "oh a zombie hater blew this guy's head off" or "the perp went full on zombie and bashed the victim's head in".

How would that be different to normal? Like, you never see the Law & Order episode where two drunk guys got into a fight and one of them died, because that's not a mystery. The police (and zombie police) will be investigating all sorts of crimes but the show's only going to cover the interesting ones.

TwoPair posted:

Also regarding Ravi next season, it seems like he shouldn't be in Seattle anymore. I mean, you'd think that since his crazy theories have been validated, the CDC would welcome him back. poo poo, if he told them he knew how to make a functional cure, they'd have folks working round the clock to figure out what's in the tainted utopium to synthesize more instead of just keeping it Ravi's basement side project.

Maybe Fillmore-Graves wants to employ him to work on the vaccine and cure for them. Maybe he just prefers to stay where he is now. The CDC (and others) will probably be working on their own zombie-related projects, but Ravi doesn't necessarily have to be directly involved with them.

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# ¿ Apr 19, 2024 18:24

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Otherkinsey Scale posted:

Also: how is Blaine possibly going to be a free man in the next season? His insurance was that killing or imprisoning him would have started the zombie apocalypse, and also he couldn't really be charged without revealing the existence of zombies. But like...there are a lot of witnesses to all his crap, and probably quite a bit of evidence (especially with Angus out of the well).

Anyone who knew about his crimes and did nothing is now guilty of covering up those crimes, so they may let him go to protect themselves.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2017 04:44

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