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100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Oh boy 35 pages. This'll be a doozy. We've 3 days so I'll use them best I can to get some solid opinions going. It'd help me out if you guys could give a general summary or general feelings on one another but do as you like.

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100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Poison Mushroom posted:

You're right, there's not... if you're a survivor. But if you're scum (and I know you are), it'd be very easy to RB me to discredit me and boost your own claim.

I've only really had the chance to just keep up with content and not read the whole thread but this makes sense.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





fiery_valkyrie posted:

I think it must be CPig/100 Yrs. In the two claimed cops situation he believed Meds and voted PMush. Later he says he's leaning towards Meds being scum but doesn't do anything about that.

##vote 100

Yeah that's unfortunately because the game moved too fast for me and real life kept me super busy (fun busy) on Thursday and Friday. Today yet again I work... so really I won't be able to contribute much until Sunday. I'm the shittiest replacement and I'm sorry about that. I didn't even know Cpig believed MCS. If you guys want to wait for me to be able to contribute then cool, if you'd rather go ahead with whatever that's fine too.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Quidnose posted:

Kashuno, what is your role again?

100 years too.

I'm a goblin hero aka horde aligned town vanilla. I wish there were something more special about me but there isn't.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





How long has fiery been at -2? It's 3 to execute... maybe someone get a vote off her no?

I have the time to read and get involved. I'm so sorry for my lack of activity but this is a very long long game. I'm caught up in regards from when I joined but there's a hell of a lot of context I'm missing.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





If anything it shows to me that scum already dropped their vote.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





My initial suspicions are on him and fiery for dropping a vote so quickly. But I'll make a better decision once I've read them.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Fiery is not scum or deserves to win if she is. That opinion is out the window.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





SirSamVimes posted:

The earth where The Ninth Layer fell trembles slightly, and reforms into the shape of his body. Dirt becomes flesh, and within a minute he draws the first breath of his new life.

The Ninth Layer has returned.

Also shouldn't we talk about this? How and why is TNL alive again?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





100YrsofAttitude posted:

Also shouldn't we talk about this? How and why is TNL alive again?

Also just realized we actually never knew his flip, which is super unhelpful.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Kashuno posted:

Again, the odds that scum could reincarnate themselves are very low

Yeah. That's true. I've got so many tabs up for my re-reading here that I keep getting new snippets of information all out of order. I just realized that TNL was NKilled. I don't think we've had any vigs outside of MCS (who was dayvig) so it must've been scum killing scum. Unless Section 31's bleeder is something?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Having read the two anyway I would've probably voted Tommunist but TNL is on the level.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





CapitalistPig posted:

Oh I read back bonezo was undead not a gnome.

Still, undead can't be druids and now you are claiming troll. It's inconsistent claiming.


Quidnose is still scum , either that or he's just really stupid and wrong. (pledge broken )


I'm starting to lean towards pmush being a good guy and meds being bad.

In my defense of CPig he veered towards Pmush later in his play. I also don't think he'd be so transparent about supporting a scum partner.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Quidnose posted:

I am actually continually flabbergasted that people aren't bringing me up constantly as a lurker. It makes no sense, UNLESS I was scum, because then the scum team could actively ignore the fact that I am lurking to pick up on other people.

But, problem is:

1. I'm not scum
2. If I WAS scum, that would be bad scum play.

So the only thing I can think of here is a scum team saying "let's call out a bunch of lurkers except for quid, who has a good reputation as a good player, so that people are suspicious of him eventually and then see that he's been ignored by a bunch of people a lot, so we have a backup miscuddle with the lurkers."

Wow this is a horrible post Quidnose. What happened?

Also you had some early D1 spats with Cpig, what were your feelings by the end of his tenure?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





That's just Cpig's thing. I'm still going through your history and threads that are linked to it. Such as Kash's big list. I did notice he nailed SA as scum on that list.
FV reads much better through post history. You make a good point about empty content generation but I read it as frustration towards the lack of activity and that theory holds up if you think that she's just decided to play less.

I haven't gotten to that point yet but why is it you think there's a cult? And if there were isn't it odd that there isn't more resurrections?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013






What's this? Also you seemed to have thought that TNL is 3P maybe his resurrection just has to do with that only? Like a survivor of sorts? Still not sure why you think/thought he's 3P.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Quidnose posted:

Kashuno, what is your role again?

100 years too.

I missed this. Cpig wasn't lying when he said he was a goblin hero. I'm just Vanilla horde.

Quid voted a mis-execution on imgay and was definitely against TMM but neither of those things seem fabricated. You seem to be extremely yourself this game if that makes any sense.

What actions have you taken in regards to your recruitment again?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Should've posted this earlier. It got lost between my many open tabs.

Quidnose posted:

I'm going to claim for the sake of information and only because I can do poo poo every other night, and thus being roleblocked last night my role is basically useless at this point.

I am a Priest, and my role is UNCONFIRMED MASON RECRUITER. Once every even night I can recruit people to an unconfirmed masonry.

The caveat is that I am searching for CULT MEMBERS, and if I try to recruit anyone from the cult, they die instead of becoming part of my unconfirmed masonry.

I don't know if legion is this cult, but my role PM suggests that perhaps there was only one cultist to begin with and people are being recruited as we go along.

So I'm not sure what to make of these cop claims. I am basically a brutal cult cop, currently, but my role PM does not mention legion AT ALL, which makes me a little weirded out by Betrayer's very specific Legion searching PM.

Discuss.

This is interesting.

So Legion is Burning Legion. You know who reincarnates like TNL? Phoenix's. Who're made pretty much of fire. But really, that whole reincarnation bit just screams 3P or really rather cult. Have you been roleblocked again?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Kashuno posted:

For what it's worth, I could see pmush and TMM scum together. Pmush feels like they're floundering right now especially with pmush coming out and saying "yeah they both look scummy right guys? Vote kash" to keep some sus on TMM in case he flips scum, but also pushing pressure off him onto me by making people choose a side in the argument. When I'm at a computer I'll try to build s better case

Kash did this a couple of times. It's weird to think of scum partners before a flip comes, it's just empty speculation and sets up more executions than you should especially when you have no real prior information.

Kash you went from Town Fiery to scum pretty fast. How why?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Kashuno posted:

SA is still a relatively new player; I could see him trying to make a light defense of cpig without making it a big deal.

This seems so at odds with your constant hammering on SA.

Your casing of SA is both your strongest defense since you rode him so hard and flipped scum, but it's also your weakest point. You could've been willfully bussing him. And frankly there are some details that make that a viable option. SA never really makes much effort to address your attacks but also your attacks carry very little weight. You would often say you'd want him dead, and would vote him here and there but ultimately your vote landed elsewhere. If you had wanted him dead you'd of fought for more people to vote alongside you.

The biggest hole in that whole logic is that SA left after N1 and then was modkilled so there isn't all that much to work with but considering the way you treated him I think it could definitely be a bus.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





I've read everything by the living players and then some of the ones that have been dead when I've needed context. I agree that Quid and TNL are town, the latter is at the least 3P of some sort, but he doesn't strike me as a threat.

Afterwards between Fiery and Kash. Fiery has that D2 content generation that feels fake and she drops her vote very quickly here today. I'd probably have to go through it again to pinpoint something.

Kash overall reads better, more like Quidnose in some way, but the fact that he could've been bussing SA cannot be ignored.

Ultimately, I'd probably vote Kash over Fiery on the grounds of the potential bus.

This is probably it for me tonight, but I'll give Fiery another re-read soon. She was the first I read and so now I have much better context having read the others.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Kashuno posted:

I'm interested in your continued investigation 100yrs; if you have already concluded that f_v is not scum, why even bother rereading things when the obvious choice is staring you in the face? Why are you stalling?

My first opinions, and she was my very first one, are often wrong. I read her first because of the alphabet and had a lot less context and feel for the game frankly. Like I just said I need to do another read but I think stepping away from the game for a bit would do me good. My read of her is certainly the weakest and I'm calling her town due the general feel of her posts. I can more comfortably call Quid and TNL town due to evidence presented in the game.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Also I don't see it as stalling. We haven't heard from everyone (TNL) and I think discussion is important. We have time and there's no need to make a rash decision.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Quidnose posted:

Well if TNL resurrected as cult then we have to find the last scum and then deal with him?

I am still not convinced scum and cult are not the same thing because my role PM is so ambiguous but like I said, with janitored flips it's harder to tell.

All I know is that Kashuno is NOT a cult member, because I recruited him successfully and did not murder him.

Anyone else you were able to recruit even if they are now dead?

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Remember how I said I had to re-read Fiery given the rest of the game. I have and she's not as town as I once thought. The rapid fire questions and other stuff seem fake like it's been said. I see that now. While Kash could've been doing a bus the simpler answer is that he wasn't.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Fiery's also had a lot of lurker votes after D1 which combined with the endless questioning and less opinions doesn't seem very town.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Because you were giving less reads and personal opinions and just trying to get people to say things. While a good attitude about the game and participation it became an easy out. Your D1 was more town when you had absolutely nothing to go on, and lurkers or not you still had more on D2 and yet your output dropped.

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100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





I am sooooo sorry. I fell asleep! But that that was fun and it ended well. Thanks SSV.

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