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Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Choir camp is done so put me in, Chief!

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Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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SA is no longer blocked on my work computer.

SO MUCH FOR TEACHING ANYTHING

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Confirmed.

##vote S31 solved your problem for you, Vimes!

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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CapitalistPig posted:

Confirming I am a hero of the goblins.

##vote Cpig serious vote for flavor reasons

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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CapitalistPig posted:

I don't think its that easy.

I am horde aligned , but my win con says I win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Multiple people have claimed both alliance and horde.

So maybe try reading the thread you are in?

Is this true? Can someone confirm this is true?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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The "some people have claimed horde" thing, not the way the role PM works thing.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Someone Awful! posted:

that seems like a weird+dumb thing to lie about in literally like the first hour of the game

But it also seems like a weird+dumb thing to double down on with "dude other people have done this, quidnose, get your head in the loving game" rather than simply shrugging and going "who knows my role PM says i'm town and horde!"

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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BottleKnight posted:

Also I only claimed because pig claimed first and quid was on his rear end. Read the thread kash lol

Why did you feel the need to defend Pig here? He made a statement that was untrue, regardless of his alignment claim being true. I'm not seeing the logic behind you jumping in to make sure he is ok.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Someone Awful! posted:

as much as i think the setup spec is dumb as gently caress you do have a point with this (unless i'm misreading, but a skim didnt show any other horde claims before he said that, just uranus' gnome/alliance claim)

I had the point first

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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CapitalistPig posted:

I just assumed based on derp claiming alliance do you actually expect me to read?


CapitalistPig posted:

I don't think its that easy.

I am horde aligned , but my win con says I win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Multiple people have claimed both alliance and horde.

So maybe try reading the thread you are in?

That's why I am voting the pigman.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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I still like Pig as scum, he's kinda done nothing even in response to this?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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I do agree with Kash that's TMM's "This is awful" post looks like a way to float the idea without committing to it, and the timing afterwards of a longer case and then a vote seems odd. Why not just vote initially if you were feeling it was lovely enough to warrant you saying everything about it was bad? It's kinda odd.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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SAVING THE DAY

##vote BK

Don't actually know what's going on but gently caress no cuddles~

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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fiery_valkyrie posted:

I feel like there is an error in your logic here....

I'm sorry, are you saying that BK was scum?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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I am having a hard time getting into this game, someone help me aaaaa

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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uranus posted:



DEFENSIVE
DISINGENUOUS
DEFLECTING
DISMISSIVE




It is not defensive because I am in no way defending myself, my behavior is not good!
It is not disingenuous because I am generally upset and frustrated that I am having a hard time even reading!
It is not deflecting because I am not trying to get suspicion off of me, if there is suspicion upon me I don't even know because I haven't really read anything!
It is not dismissive because I am not excusing myself for not reading or playing, I am simply saying "can someone help me get into this!" That statement has no positive or negative connotation to it!

I do find it out that you call me out with no vote and no real opinion on me other than to buzzword and chastise me. HURM.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

I agree Quids response to your siren post was weird. Even on first read I felt like your post was jokey and not an attack on Quid. But then you followed it up by outright stating that Quid should quote a post an use those words.

Instead he comes out and defends himself as if he was attacked. It doesn't even seem to come across as tongue in cheek either, just defensive.

In fairness I did not really read his followup, just the alliteration~

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Kashuno posted:

I didn't read uranus' or quid's post as serious

This is kinda weird.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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##vote Kashuno I like this I think

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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fiery_valkyrie posted:

Now everybody play mafia dammit.

##vote FV

OK, look, I'm the king of asking questions and I get the frustration with people not playing, myself included, but this isn't solid casework.

I strongly believe that, as town, when you ask questions, they need to be grounded in content review and building a case. I ask a LOT of questions, but they always come out from me looking at the OVERALL trajectory of someone's content and saying "this doesn't make sense to me, why are you feeling this way?" You do this here, but you're cherry picking; you're just finding things that you think can work well for poking the bear and generating content and that's...odd. I guess it could be a frustrated town member who really wants to get people playing but to me, it would make more sense for you to go through and read what has happened on D1 or D2, look at the votes, look at what people said and did, and get some questions from that, not just look for "bad posts" and asking people what the gently caress about them.

I think that speaks to a scum mindset and I think as a result your content generation is pretty fake.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

This game is really dragging because there are 6 people who have posted less then the mod. SA has posted ~10-15 times since his D1 spree. Conall hasn't posted at all for over a week. I only know Rarity and CPig are in the game because they are still in votefinder.

I still think PMush is scum and she's my first vote. But at this point I'd vote anyone aside from FV and possibly Kash because if he is scum I'd rather let active scum win than lurking town. gently caress lazy townies.

I am actually continually flabbergasted that people aren't bringing me up constantly as a lurker. It makes no sense, UNLESS I was scum, because then the scum team could actively ignore the fact that I am lurking to pick up on other people.

But, problem is:

1. I'm not scum
2. If I WAS scum, that would be bad scum play.

So the only thing I can think of here is a scum team saying "let's call out a bunch of lurkers except for quid, who has a good reputation as a good player, so that people are suspicious of him eventually and then see that he's been ignored by a bunch of people a lot, so we have a backup miscuddle with the lurkers."

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

Yeah but as much as I'd like to lynch a lurker, doing so is a pure crap shoot. Dunking PMush would give us a much better shot at finding scum if she does somehow turn up town.

What? Why? This makes no sense.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Someone Awful! posted:

well i mean, Rarity did a case here, so there's that

Not sure I like this reaction from SA regarding derp's callout of a "bad miscuddle." It can be read both ways: "Well Rarity was the one who lead the charge so BLAME HER" or "Well, I mean, we all agreed with Rarity, so we're all responsible." But he doesn't actually make a call about it. Odd.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Tommunist posted:

I'm not going to be able to re-read the thread and assess who I think is scummy/defend my self competently for the next sixteen hours, but lynching me isn't going to do anything for the town.

A single vote on the start of the day, two people with pressure. What the heck is this? Is Tommunist super new? I feel like he said he was super new and nervous.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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I have to go back to teaching children music now but I will continue this reread later today.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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fiery_valkyrie posted:

I have been looking at content from D1/D2, asking relevant questions and making cases. Now I am, as you put it, poking the bear. However, I did not look for "bad" posts and ask people what the gently caress. I just found one post from each player and asked a question in the hope of getting any content going from anyone.

But why would you do this? If you were already looking at content from D1/D2 and asking questions and making cases, why would you randomly pick out a bunch of stupid poo poo just to poke the bear? Why not...case? I don't understand, even with frustration. It's a really weird choice to have made, and I can't wrap my head around it.

Because I don't understand why as town you wouldn't just be like "hey, assholes, this is annoying, post!" and then go find some content related cases to make.
But I also don't understand as scum why you would put yourself out there faking content that much.

Hurm.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

Magnus was pushing for a PMush lynch towards the end of yesterday and I do think she has been pretty scummy, but I'm also wondering if he was killed to drive the vote towards her.

Kashuno posted:

NK speculation is usually bad.

TMMadman posted:

Gee thanks dad. Got any thoughts on PMush?

I think TMM looks bad in this micro exchange, dismissing a completely valid point from Kash and then distracting away from the comment. Keeping my eye on this.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

So you have no thoughts at all about someone who spent most of D1 voting you for reasons that amounted to gut and a staged fight then came in 6 hours before the deadline to unvote with the easy 'not feeling it anymore' excuse and said she stopped looking for scum, then whiplashed her opinion about section 31 in about a minute but didn't vote it and then disappeared without voting at all?

I also really don't like this as a followup. TMM clearly feels this way which is cool, but why spoonfeed this crap to Kashuno rather than just saying "why don't you have a read on PMush? I don't get it, because I feel like you should. Explain it to me." Instead he like, dumps this anger-opinion on Kashuno for reasons I don't understand. What does this accomplish?

What were you trying to accomplish with this, TMM?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

Alright, I'll accept this for now.

Personally, I think PMush is scum. She spent most of D1 saying that Kash and I are scum together because our argument seemed too perfectly staged. Then with 6 hours left to deadline, she unvotes Kash saying she isn't feeling it anymore because she doesn't think two scum would butt heads so long but completely ignores the fact that one of us could still be scum. Her unvote also essentially (and conveniently) makes Kash an unviable target. When asked for other reads she says she stopped looking because she was convinced Kash and I were scum together. To me, it reads like she is either working with Kash or she knows our alignments already.

So I'm going to start there today.

##vote PMush

And with this, it kinda feels like TMM is maybe using Kashuno's weirdness as a reason to ramp up a fake vote on PMush. I haven't really read D1 yet so maybe this is actually what happened but this seems like a whole lot of convoluted words I don't really want to read about why he's voting PMush and that to me makes it feel pretty generically fake. Not liking TMM today.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Kashuno posted:

actually, that's a really blatant misrepresentation and probably explains why TMM didn't just quote that post because it explicity states "either"


That's sketchy. ##vote TMM

This is what I was thinking on face value, putting this here with Kashuno suspicion I know is coming so I can reference who started it.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

Holy hedging Batman!

Yeah, I really am not liking the way TMM is engaging with Kashuno on this. He seems incredibly angry that Kashuno's opinion isn't locked in with the narrative that he has created, and that he's not just bending over and going "yeah I guess you are right maybe I did do that I need to rethink" in regards to that narrative.

It's weird and feels off.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

This is a really frivolous criticism. The conversation TMM "distracted from" wasn't worth having.

I'm not saying that TMM should have started a conversation about the worthiness of NK analysis. I am saying that what Kashuno essentially said was "You are making a distraction from scumhunting by spending time trying to start a NK analysis discussion," and TMM's response wasn't "yeah, you're right, that is distracting" but rather "gently caress YOU KASHUNO." Why the need to jab at Kash? Nothing had even happened yet.

Do you see why this is making me feel like TMM is working on creating a narrative wherein Kashuno is wishy washy and the bad guy, even from the get go?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:

Furthermore, what's the end goal of asking fifty million questions of everyone in the game?

Is there something you're specifically looking for, are you looking to frame people who don't answer them as anti-town, or are you trying to go Monstering but don't actually have the gumption to actually hound someone to death until they gently caress up?

Betrayer nails my feelings here.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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votefinder posted:

Votecount for Day 2

Someone Awful! (3): Kashuno, Kashuno, Kashuno, uranus, CapitalistPig
Kashuno (2): imgay, Rarity
Tommunist (1): MEDS CURE SCHIZOS, Rarity, Rarity
Poison Mushroom (1): TMMadman
TMMadman (0): Kashuno, Kashuno

Not Voting (7): Conall, fiery_valkyrie, Poison Mushroom, Quidnose, Section 31, Someone Awful!, Tommunist

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to lynch. The current deadline is October 17th, 2015 at 1 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 days, 18 hours.

At this point in the thread, TMM has spent nearly a page arguing with Kashuno about how his refusing to take a stand on the scumminess or not scumminess of PMush is terribly scummy and not his normal town game.

While sitting on a PMush vote.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

You're putting a lot of words into Kash's post that aren't there. And also incredibly exaggerating TMM's response.

His response was dismissive of Kashuno's point. Without the hyperbole of gently caress YOU DAD, do you agree that, when called out for trying to do something distracting, it was odd that he didn't say "yeah you're right I shouldn't go down that path" and instead made a dig at Kashuno for no reason before pulling the conversation where he wanted?

Because you haven't actually mentioned anything about my content in two posts.

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Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

It's like he cased PMush and also thinks Kashuno is scum.

If you spend a page looking at someone's content and convincing yourself that they are acting scummily, and you want the thread to agree with you, you should vote for them. I know I am in the minority here potentially but I think it's weird he didn't get to the end of that and vote Kashuno. And I am INCERDIBLY interested in my reread to see if and when he DID vote Kashuno, because if it's when the tide started turning towards him, that is suspicious as gently caress.

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Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

Quidnose you're not winning me over with this "TMM is suspicious of two players at the same time" argument.

And in fairness here, TMM hasn't spent any time in the beginning of D2 saying that PM and Kashuno are scum together, just that Kashuno is not playing a town game.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

He didn't say gently caress you or type in all caps, he said a sarcastic "Thanks Mafia dad" which was appropriate given Kashuno's general comment about the game (which I happen to disagree with).

It seems like your criticism is that TMM thinks night kill speculation is worthwhile.

That is not what I am saying at all and I really don't see why you are getting that from what I am saying. I'm gonna break it down again in case I'm not being clear:

1. TMM speculated about NKs.
2. Kashuno said "hey, NK disucssion is probably a bad idea," the implication there with that comment being that he thought TMM was trying to create a distraction. Why else would he have brought it up, just to tell him how to play Mafia better? I don't think most of us do that as a point of order, I think we make comments to gauge reactions.
3. AND SUBSEQUENTLY, TMM's response was a big old eye roll. Why wouldn't he just go "oh yeah I guess that is a distraction" and then move on? Or if he disagreed, why wouldn't he have said "well I think there's value in it but we can do something else" or "agree to disagree" or anything that wasn't A COMPLETELY DISMISSIVE RESPONSE?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

If you know you're in a minority about a playstyle opinion, maybe you shouldn't be using it as a justification for why someone is scum. TMM clearly thinks Kash is scum, he also made a great PMush case that I don't see any reason for him to abandon.

Show me the PMush case, if it was D1 I haven't read it.

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Dec 17, 2003

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The Ninth Layer posted:

If you know you're in a minority about a playstyle opinion, maybe you shouldn't be using it as a justification for why someone is scum. TMM clearly thinks Kash is scum, he also made a great PMush case that I don't see any reason for him to abandon.

I honestly don't even know why you are bringing up a playstyle opinion here? Nothing about playstyle has anything to do with what I am saying, beyond TMM hinging his case on Kashuno on "This isn't your town game." Is that what you are referring to?

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