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blue squares posted:It's not a kill order. We didn't see the final message, maybe. When Saul says "I'm working on it" as to who is going to be the fall guy, he means Carrie. no it was that guy who talked to him on the balcony. Carrie dosent even work for the CIA.
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Wandle Cax posted:no it was that guy who talked to him on the balcony. Carrie dosent even work for the CIA. But they could still say she leaked the documents? I wasn't sure exactly what they needed a fall guy for.
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blue squares posted:It's not a kill order. We didn't see the final message, maybe. When Saul says "I'm working on it" as to who is going to be the fall guy, he means Carrie. Pretty sure he meant the American Ambassador to Germany...
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blue squares posted:But they could still say she leaked the documents? I wasn't sure exactly what they needed a fall guy for. To take the blame for the hack that caused them to leak out the documents, seen as a screw up by the CIA. Blaming someone outside the organisation was not the idea.
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Oct 21, 2015 07:50
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I didn't see Quinn get an order to kill/take in Carrie, did he or is he working on his own?emanresu tnuocca posted:I just hope that the whole "Carrie tries to channel her inner superspy through the use of her secret unmedicated crazy powers" thing doesn't make another appearance. That was awful.
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Oct 21, 2015 10:08
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Boatswain posted:
Yeah that was bad, though it worked out in that she didn't actually come up with anything concrete besides that atonement bit.
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Boatswain posted:I didn't see Quinn get an order to kill/take in Carrie, did he or is he working on his own? The last name on his kill list was Mathison. And it us a kill list as far as we're aware. The scene introducing the posy office states how simple the arrangement is. "Name in box, I kill them"
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Oct 21, 2015 11:15
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Putting Carrie's name in Quinn's kill list sounds more like letting Quinn know that someone in the organization wants Carrie dead and have him due to his personal feelings towards Carrie ignore his orders and act like her guardian murder-spy angel.
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Oct 21, 2015 11:20
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He might take her to a Peter Piper Pizza, instead. We don't know. I want to see Carrie have a freakout at a Peter Piper Pizza. In Germany.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Putting Carrie's name in Quinn's kill list sounds more like letting Quinn know that someone in the organization wants Carrie dead and have him due to his personal feelings towards Carrie ignore his orders and act like her guardian murder-spy angel. That's a bit of a gamble either way. If you want Carrie dead, probably best not to send the guy who was in love with her. If you want to save her, probably best not to give the cold-blooded emotionally burned out killer her name via a kill list in the hope his old love for her will make sure he does the opposite. The only way it makes sense to send Quinn is if it's a cheap case of keeping the audience unnecessarily in the dark and the full note was 'Mathison is in danger'.
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Junkenstein posted:The last name on his kill list was Mathison. Thanks, I didn't watch the last episode very carefully.
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Junkenstein posted:That's a bit of a gamble either way. If you want Carrie dead, probably best not to send the guy who was in love with her. If you want to save her, probably best not to give the cold-blooded emotionally burned out killer her name via a kill list in the hope his old love for her will make sure he does the opposite. The only way it makes sense to send Quinn is if it's a cheap case of keeping the audience unnecessarily in the dark and the full note was 'Mathison is in danger'. or if it wasn't saul who put the name there
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I'm still (trying to) watch season 4, does it get better? I just saw Carrie's super freakout with Brody.
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monster on a stick posted:I'm still (trying to) watch season 4, does it get better? I just saw Carrie's super freakout with Brody. wait didn't he die in season 3? Also yes, season 4 and (so far) 5 are absolutely fantastic. Not as genius as season 1, but waaaay better than seasons 2 and 3. also wrt this episode: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/10/25/homeland-season-5-episode-4-an-intelligence-expert-weighs-in/ I'm not so sure I'd call such a public (and obvious) figure an expert on current day practices, but yeah he's on point the entire time here.
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Why is the serial killer the only person on this show who isn't an insufferable piece of poo poo? Brody was right, Abu Nazir did nothing wrong.
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The Iron Rose posted:also wrt this episode: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/10/25/homeland-season-5-episode-4-an-intelligence-expert-weighs-in/ Houghton does a good job with SpyCast. drat I need to catch up on my podcasts 
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Good job lying to the Russians, you big dumb naive gently caress. Now you're dead.
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After this last episode I can't wait for the journalist chick to get Michael Claytoned in the back third of the season. It's gonna be SOOOOO satisfying. They make her character way too much of an always-on bitch for me to handle.
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This episode was actually interesting, Quinn and Carrie really are much better together.
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This continues to be really pretty good. And the "why send Quinn to kill Carrie" question was answered logically (assuming Carr didn't know who the hitman receiving the names was).
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Are we assuming she's a Russian asset or just hungry for power and hubristic? She used the same guy that retrieved the drive but they might be working for her and not the Russian embassy/GRU?
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Boatswain posted:She used the same guy that retrieved the drive but they might be working for her and not the Russian embassy/GRU? Duh, I totally missed that. I'd say she's definitely working with the Russians then, and doing quite well, what with sleeping with Saul and all. In fact I'm going to pretend that *The Americans Spoiler* She's Paige all grown up and successfully infiltrated the CIA as part of the Second Gen plot I guess she planted the bomb because the Russians don't want anyone messing with Assad? This also brings all the plot threads together. This is decent spy storytelling, please don't mess it up Homeland.
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Boatswain posted:Are we assuming she's a Russian asset or just hungry for power and hubristic? She used the same guy that retrieved the drive but they might be working for her and not the Russian embassy/GRU? Was that the same guy? I thought so at first, and they look really similar, but it would be weird if the Russian operative's phone only had the number of a CIA officer in it, and not any of his (presumably) FSB contacts.
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ShakeZula posted:Was that the same guy? I thought so at first, and they look really similar, but it would be weird if the Russian operative's phone only had the number of a CIA officer in it, and not any of his (presumably) FSB contacts. That was a burner phone though, right? It only had one number in the whole thing. I also totally didn't pick up that it was the same guy, but it really does bring everything together. This season is heating up to be some classic Homeland.
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Except anything German except for the sets is a cringefest. Is that post office supposed to be in Munich? It's the only German set that looks like Americans imagine a German town, but the cars have Berlin license plates. 
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Zwille posted:Except anything German except for the sets is a cringefest. Is that post office supposed to be in Munich? It's the only German set that looks like Americans imagine a German town, but the cars have Berlin license plates. That's just classic Homeland though. They've been inaccurately depicting cities in the Middle East for the past four seasons. Now it's our turn.
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HairyNipple! posted:That was a burner phone though, right? It only had one number in the whole thing. You don't really get a good look at him, but I think so? I guess we'll see come Sunday.
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Gold and a Pager posted:That's just classic Homeland though. They've been inaccurately depicting cities in the Middle East for the past four seasons. Now it's our turn. Yeah, it's oddly informative that way. I wish somebody would do a show like that on purpose though, with western societies portrayed wrong and/or over the top, just so we can feel what minorities feel when they see themselves depicted on screen.
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Foreign people living in their own countries are not minorities? And really almost nobody in show business cares about authentic depictions of locales, it's just not a factor, it's usually something only a tiny minority of viewers would notice and an even tinier minority would care about. Often times it would be preferable to just depict a place or a culture in a generalized stereotypical manner just so that the audience will intuitively understand where the action takes place, this is not necessarily offensive it's just a 'shortcut'.
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Zwille posted:Except anything German except for the sets is a cringefest. Is that post office supposed to be in Munich? It's the only German set that looks like Americans imagine a German town, but the cars have Berlin license plates. The cars have Berlin license plates because the setting is Berlin, and it is my understanding that this season was actually filmed there. Pretty sure the locations are not sets.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Foreign people living in their own countries are not minorities? Oops, sorry, that was poorly worded. I meant from the perspective of the country where it's produced. Wandle Cax posted:The cars have Berlin license plates because the setting is Berlin, and it is my understanding that this season was actually filmed there. Pretty sure the locations are not sets. Yeah, what I was trying to say was that the post office set/locale looks like it's made up to look like they've driven to south Germany. Everything else looks distinctly like Berlin (because it is, yeah), though I guess you could dress some areas in the outskirts up like the post office market place. Köpenick comes to mind. It just sticks out like the Simpsons' "Öktöbërfëst". Ok, I'll shut up now.
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Next episode is called Better Call Saul!
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This is getting pretty drat intense. They really have Saul set up nice and tight and Dar is going to snatch him up soon.
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Poor Saul getting set up by his scummy double agent bitch of a girlfriend.
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didn't the redhead learn her lesson last time she tried to put saul and dar adal against each other?
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yeah there's absolutely no way Dar Adal seriously thinks Saul is colluding with the Israelis, they are playing her.
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Quinn using his last bit of life to find a way to kill himself and hide the body to protect Carrie was pretty heartbreaking. I'm on the "Dar and Saul are actually a step ahead of this" boat as well. Up until the scene this week, I was curious where exactly the phone "proving" Carrie's death went. The whole time I was thinking "why is she so sure that the pressure is off temporarily?". I guess she left it in the car/on the guy assuming someone would get it, but I would also have thought the fact that the whole plan was obviously blown up would cast a shadow on a single "Carrie is definitely dead" photo.
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