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Per AV Club the book is The Five Little Peppers And How They Grew by Margaret Sidney
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Sherlock Holmes famously ejaculated all the time. Aside from that, how godawful was the editing in this episode? ¤ The completely pointless fade-to-black-and-then-back when Fredo was waiting for the judge outside the courthouse. This is usually done when something bad is just about to happen, not when someone is about to drive slowly for a few hours. ¤ The insignificant flapping kitchen door during the diner murders. ¤ The meaningless split screen. Usually, split screens are employed when you want to show several simultaneous actions in different locations that are somehow linked, for instance in a heist movie (protagonist X is taking out the guards while Y is scaling the wall and Z is hacking the mainframe). Fargo showed the same actors on both screens, with the two different viewpoints just feet away from each other. ¤ The completely unnecessary "oh I remember the times we used to have a few minutes ago" montage when Fat Damon and Kirsten Dunst was dealing with Fredo's body. It was literally minutes ago, we don't need a callback to that. It's like this was a Cool Abed Production.
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Oct 16, 2015 09:50
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Kampfbereit posted:
I loved the ep but this got to me too. It wasn't just the bit you mentioned, there were several flashback shots to things that only just happened and it felt like the showrunners thought I had the memory of a goldfish.
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Oct 16, 2015 09:56
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I read it as a complete redundancy - like we were seeing from his view where you repeat the situation over, almost like you can't believe it.
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Oct 16, 2015 10:41
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Kampfbereit posted:¤ The insignificant flapping kitchen door during the diner murders. The (botched) murder went down in a very short span of time and quickly went out of control.
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Oct 16, 2015 11:56
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Biggest thing that irked me was the split screen. I just wasn't feeling it. At least so far. They've built up a lot of goodwill over the last 11 episodes so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Oct 16, 2015 12:57
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Kampfbereit posted:
I think AV Club had a good read on it. The split screen is being used to show characters thought process. McCulkin's weasel was largely occupied with his family, Dunst was thinking about herself and what she was going to do, but Solverson was primarily thinking in the present. Solverson's split screen was used to demonstrate his focus when investigating. At the very least it had a very seventies feel to it.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:14
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Is Dunst in the first season a lot?
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Oct 17, 2015 07:58
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Washout posted:Is Dunst in the first season a lot? No actor in this season was in the first season. The first season takes place a few decades later.
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Oct 17, 2015 08:09
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As a Corvair owner, I'm already loving this season. I also love the liberal use of Mannix-esque dynamic split screens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7TdnvEpgl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuldM3o47Tg Kampfbereit posted:¤ The meaningless split screen. Usually, split screens are employed when you want to show several simultaneous actions in different locations that are somehow linked, for instance in a heist movie (protagonist X is taking out the guards while Y is scaling the wall and Z is hacking the mainframe). Fargo showed the same actors on both screens, with the two different viewpoints just feet away from each other. The Dynamic Split screen is totally a stylistic throwback reference to Mannix, A great show which has seen somewhat of a critical re-evaluation in the past few years. It was also one of the most violent network TV shows of the era. People campaigned to have it banned. http://www.avclub.com/article/long-running-private-eye-series-mannix-was-brutal--204978 MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Oct 17, 2015 |
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Oct 17, 2015 08:48
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LostRook posted:I think AV Club had a good read on it. The split screen is being used to show characters thought process. McCulkin's weasel was largely occupied with his family, Dunst was thinking about herself and what she was going to do, but Solverson was primarily thinking in the present. Solverson's split screen was used to demonstrate his focus when investigating. Yes, but this would all have been better without the split screen. McCulkin's split screen was more or less OK I guess. Dunst's was plain terrible, as both screens showed her doing the same thing, but a few seconds apart. Solverson's was equally bad, as both screens were in the same time and almost the same space. He literally walks from one screen to the other. There is exactly zero need for the split screen in any of these cases. It has a bit of a seventies feel to it, I agree (more on this down below). But the editing doesn't have to be seventies just because the show is set in the seventies. Imagine how annoying it would be if every show had to use the styles or techniques of the era they portray? The Knick would be unwatchable. drunkill posted:The (botched) murder went down in a very short span of time and quickly went out of control. MullardEL34 posted:The Dynamic Split screen is totally a stylistic throwback reference to Mannix, which has seen somewhat of a critical re-evaluation in the past few years. It was also one of the most violent network TV shows of the era. People campaigned to have it banned. I'm a huge fan of Mannix! It was a tremendous show in every way. Also yay Corvair! But my point is that the split screens in Fargo was in no way dynamic (Dynamic SS is more of a computer game term, when the screen has to split due to two human players being too far apart to fit on one screen), and in every way completely unnecessary. The Mannix title sequence uses SS to show a lot of action at the same time, in an almost overwhelming way. The screens slide around the TV screen, and turn on an off, so the viewer can almost not keep up with all that's going on. Mannix is running, climbing a ladder, driving a fast car, fondling a leggy dame, getting punched in the face, wow, this look like an exciting show, I have to stay tuned! There weren't (as far as I can remember) any split screens in the actual episodes, showing Mannix from two angles just walking around his office. In the late sixties and early seventies, split screens were often used to show for example both parties of a phone conversation, because there was a need to show the two faces at the same time, and fast cuts would be less effective. It was way more common in movies, as the aspect ratio of all those glorious new formats allowed for this. Splitting a 4:3 TV screen just wasn't as practical. But every time someone used a split screen back then, it was because there was a need for it and/or it meant something. It wasn't because "hey this looks cool and old-timey", like sepia-tinted instagram photos or a Tarantino grindhouse movie. (I still like Fargo and will keep watching, hoping for better editing)
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Oct 17, 2015 10:29
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Dunst's wasn't bad at all, her split screen was important because it blatantly contradicted what she was saying.
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Oct 17, 2015 12:37
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Kampfbereit posted:Imagine how annoying it would be if every show had to use the styles or techniques of the era they portray? The Knick would be unwatchable. Illinois Smith fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Oct 17, 2015 |
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Oct 17, 2015 13:30
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MrAristocrates posted:Dunst's wasn't bad at all, her split screen was important because it blatantly contradicted what she was saying. Maybe we are talking about different things here? I'm not saying that they shouldn't have shown her previous actions contradicting her statements. That was absolutely necessary, and juxtaposing the voice over with footage showing what actually happened is a common technique. I'm saying that there was absolutely no need to do that in a split screen. Come to think of it, it would have been brilliant if one half of the screen showed her story as she told it, and the other showed what really happened. Then there would have been a need for the split. As it stands, it is just a completely unneeded flourish that shows the ineptitude and idiocy of whoever put it there. Like the accent in "Raven-Symoné". The crime family split screen montage was slightly better, as it at least showed different characters at (presumably) the same time. Though it could just as easily have been edited as one sequence rather than two simultaneous sequences. Illinois Smith posted:The Knick would be even more loving amazing than it already is if Soderbergh tried to do a serious medical drama through a series of Georges Méliès shorts.
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Oct 17, 2015 14:17
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Frackie Robinson posted:The non-seqitur UFO appearance, while I'm sure it plays a role in the story down the road, is also a reference to The Man Who Wasn't There I was doing work while this played on another monitor. You sure it wasn't the northern lights?
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Oct 17, 2015 15:51
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I really wasn't sold on the trailer, but that was a great opener. The split screen made me feel like I was watching a David Cage game at times though. We'll see how that goes.
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Oct 17, 2015 17:33
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I didn't have any strong feelings about the split screen segments.
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Oct 17, 2015 18:04
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Kampfbereit posted:I'm saying that there was absolutely no need to do that in a split screen. Sure there was, split screen is cool
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Oct 17, 2015 18:31
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Moon Slayer posted:I didn't have any strong feelings about the split screen segments. I'm extremely puzzled that people are even bringing it up.
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Oct 17, 2015 18:54
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precision posted:I'm extremely puzzled that people are even bringing it up. Because it was quite a prominent stylistic choice, was used frequently and was a departure from what people who like series 1 are used to?
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Oct 17, 2015 22:01
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That shot from inside the cooler -- as if we were seeing things from the perspective of Rye's body -- was different and made me feel very unsafe. I guess I'll keep watching, though.
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Oct 18, 2015 02:29
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Kampfbereit posted:Fat Damon oh my god no but really, i feel like it was a different technique they were going for with much of the split screen stuff. i'm not a film nerdo so i won't claim it was like kubrick/hitchcock level masterwork but i also didn't think it was bad. i haven't gone and re-watched the episode but for at least one of the little artsy cutscenes i had a bit of an Aronofsky montage vibe goin' v  v
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Oct 18, 2015 04:19
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Old James posted:I was doing work while this played on another monitor. You sure it wasn't the northern lights? Not for nothing, but if you weren't paying attention to the scene why even comment on it? It clearly was not the Northern Lights.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:57
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I would swear before a grand jury that season 1 was available on Netflix up til very recently. but now I don't see it. Am I going crazy? Is it available on anything?
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Oct 18, 2015 06:01
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I don't know about previously, but it says Hulu exclusive now.
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Oct 18, 2015 06:02
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And Hulu sucks.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:16
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It's on Netflix UK still. Use a plugin?
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Oct 18, 2015 08:19
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How are people not getting that dunst's split screens show a)what she said and b)what she was actually doing? It was super significant and super obvious?
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Oct 18, 2015 09:58
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Dunst hate flows strong. I thought her character worked great and the split screen did exactly what it needed to do.
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Oct 18, 2015 10:16
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Jack Skeleton posted:Dunst hate flows strong. I thought her character worked great and the split screen did exactly what it needed to do. Oh her character was brilliant and her performance was absolutely bang on. A lot of people seem to dislike her in general which I don't really get.
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Oct 18, 2015 10:40
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pile of brown posted:How are people not getting that dunst's split screens show a)what she said and b)what she was actually doing? It was super significant and super obvious?
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Oct 18, 2015 11:48
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Glad to see she's immediately become the Skyler White of the show.
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Oct 18, 2015 13:49
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No strong feelings on split screens, at least not yet, but I am totally down with Dunst's character going down Lester's character route without killing her spouse, but instead manipulating him constantly to fulfill her selfish whims.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:16
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Mameluke posted:Glad to see she's immediately become the Skyler White of the show. Not until we start seeing numerous posts about how much people hate Paggy Blumquist.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:22
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Steve2911 posted:Oh her character was brilliant and her performance was absolutely bang on. A lot of people seem to dislike her in general which I don't really get. I like her in general, inasmuch as I've liked a ton of roles she's had in the past, I just thought she was fairly weak acting-wise here. But it's only been one episode, I mean, I would have never believed you if you told me where Martin Freeman would end up at after seeing the pilot of last season.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:59
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Dunst is great, if you've got 3 hours to kill I'd suggest checking out her performance in Melancholia if you really wanna see her knock it out of the park. That being said, her 5 minutes of screen time in episode one wasn't anything to write home about but she hasn't really had enough time to really get into the meat of her character.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:28
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Steve2911 posted:A lot of people seem to dislike her in general which I don't really get. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2xLdVt00V4
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Oct 18, 2015 20:09
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Mameluke posted:Glad to see she's immediately become the Skyler White of the show. speshl guy posted:Dunst is great, if you've got 3 hours to kill I'd suggest checking out her performance in Melancholia if you really wanna see her knock it out of the park. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 20:31
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Toplowtech posted:I actually sorta liked Skyler (including her lovely affair) and didn't read most of BB threads because of the constant bitching about Skyler so yeah i understand you pain but i fear Dunst's character isn't going to be the most sympathetic person on the show and people are going to hate her for putting fat matt damon into terrible troubles. e: Actually everyone understands it but only when the character has a dick.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:03
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Steve2911 posted:It's scary how many people don't understand that a character who is a bad person can be a good character. Even a likeable one sometimes. Yeah, that annoys me. Skyler gets way too much of a bad rap. Also I thought Dunst was good in this episode  I'm very optimistic for this season
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