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Sally
Jan 9, 2007


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DESTROY TERRY

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Jan 9, 2007


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Genocyber posted:

How could anyone sacrifice good ole Terr Bear.

Easily.

AstroWhale posted:

Kill Terry. :getin:

A good vote.

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W/r/t Lisa the Painful's story: there are a lot of elements to the plot that are implied. Buy the DLC if you need these spelled out for you in black and white. Also, Lisa the Joyful lacks a lot of the humour and strategy that made the base game fun. Get it if you must have more Lisa, but know that your mileage may vary.

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Internet Kraken posted:

Its not as fun as the base game for sure but supposedly the changes made to it after release make it easier to get through so its not really a pain to play.

As someone who has played the DLC before and after the update, that's only sort of true.

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Antikythera posted:

Save Terry
Where would we be without all those helpful hints?

In a better place. Stop being so merciful, you're making Brad look weak!

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thevoiceofdog posted:

Yeah, the vote seems pretty much decided at this point. I'm working on the next episode now, we'll close off the vote as of here.


Oh noooooo!

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


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Voted 5.

:getin:

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Jan 9, 2007


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Nah, let's keep Nern for a while. He's got some decent early game skillz. Better than Terry, at any rate.

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SyntheticPolygon posted:

You're gonna be sorry when they introduce a new game mechanic and you won't have anyone to explain it for you. :colbert:

Terry's hints have already been printed and pasted around the wasteland.

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Jan 9, 2007


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Spoiler free version: Pain mode doesn't add much, to be honest. The game keeps the same general difficulty. A few fights and boss encounters are changed to be more challenging, but they're so infrequent that it's almost not worth it. There's one section of the game and a bonus ending that are only accessible if you're playing in Pain mode, but they're short and largely inconsequential, easily viewed online for those curious. The real challenge comes from the fact that save points are only single use.

Straight from Dingaling himself on the Steam page:

quote:

- This Mode allows you to save only one time at a crow.
- New enemies & bosses have been added.
- A new area has been added
- A new pain ending has been added.

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Nanomashoes posted:

The pain mode ending is definitely worth it, and restricted saves aren't even a factor if you know the game well enough.

We must have seen different pain mode endings.

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Speedball posted:

Keep wondering what the opposite scenario would be like. I mean all men being extinct. Would it still be a crazy wasteland full of Fist of the North Star rejects? Better? Worse?

LISA is an inverse Y: The Last Man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y:_The_Last_Man

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Oblivion4568238 posted:

Personally, I wrote down the combos for Brad and Rage that I was likely to use in a Notepad file and floated it off to the side of the game window, so I could stop looking at the skills every turn and getting them wrong anyways.

I found that you only really needed to remember a couple of Brad's moves based on their damage type. Most of the upgrades you get are just stronger versions of those attacks.

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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

What the gently caress were those background noises when you were at the inn in the Schoolboy Shufflers' cave? What the gently caress was that guy doing?

Why did he ask us to hand him a pile of porno magazines before we went to sleep in front of him?

The track is "Last Call Before Hell". It plays in inns and bars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zlXJB6ZxxU

Also, the dude was a Schoolboy Shuffler, and thus totally harmless. He asks for the porno mags before you go to sleep because he's an honest businessman running an honest establishment and wants to ensure payment is made.

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King Cohort posted:

Nobody is forced to read it, but I believe it's important that people know that some of the speculation here already has answers. It's the equivalent of picking up Star Wars at episode 6 and postulating over who Luke's father is. I agree that episode 6 is definitely more ambiguous if you ignore episodes 4 and 5!

Not just being contrarian here, but i don't think knowing about The First is necessary at all. there's enough context in The Painful that The First is easily skipped. in fact, i preferred the implications of horrible things from The Painful to seeing them spelled out for me in The First. i'd say it's actually the equivalent of picking up Alien without ever having seen Dark Star. one's an early student film with some real rough ideas of a weird alien stalking people on a lonely spacecraft, and the other is a far more polished concept that displays a greater depth and maturity from the storyteller, ultimately giving a more fulfilling experience while hitting the same broad plot strokes. You can talk about Dark Star to people about how it's critical to seeing the evolution of Dan O'Bannon's script from a comedy to what we ultimately see in Alien, but very few are going to have seen it or will even care about it.

if you really need to understand Brad's motivations right away, then sure, play or read a synopsis of The First. Lisa: The Painful certainly stands alone, though, and Brad's motivations will become more apparent as the story goes on and more information about our protagonist's past life come to light. We've already had a bit of it, and it's going to continue to be parceled out along our journey until we have a more complete picture.

I'm to say I'm right, or anything, but these are my thoughts on it.

Fat and Useless posted:

So if painful is 4 5 and 6 then is joyful 7?

As a person who loves make Star Wars references: no.

The Painful is more like the coda in The Dark Tower 7. The story is over and Stephen King warns the reader, "hey, this is it, it's done, but I guess some people might want some more closure, so there's a coda at the back of the book--don't read it, though! It's gonna disappoint you". The reader, confused (and perhaps a bit curious), decides it surely couldn't be that bad, and continues reading. Sure enough, it is pretty disappointing for a myriad of reasons that are hard to pin down, but hey, I guess the journey is more important than the destination, so you instead decide to look back fondly on the earlier books that brought you so much joy.

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SomeIdiot posted:

Not even that, really. It's more like watching 4, 5 and 6 and ignoring some student film that George Lucas made with some similar characters and concepts to Star Wars.
Sure, yeah, The First kinda-sorta works with the Painful, but it really isn't by any means essential to understanding the plot, and certain aspects are contradicted by The Painful.

All in all, it's kinda nifty if you wanna play a riff off of Yume Nikki that's themed around LISA, but King Cohort's waaaay overstating its importance.

This person said it more concisely than I did.

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King Cohort posted:

I never said it was essential to play.

No, you didn't. You said you believe it's important. I'm just saying that I believe it's unimportant. I feel you can get answers for Brad's motivations without it, that is all.

We are on a discussion forum. We are discussing things. You are allowed to disagree with my things and my comparisons to other things.

EDIT: for spellinG!!!

Sally fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Oct 28, 2015

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mauman posted:

In fact, for all the crap that he seems to be getting here, I can't help but feel Terry is a lot better than he's been given credit.

:thejoke:

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


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huh, i thought everyone was talking about Pearce from Community, who also fits the stereotype.

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Internet Kraken posted:

As far as I can remember only one of them has a spoiler but its a huge one.

I thought all the bios were just interesting fluff that had no bearing on the game?

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Jan 9, 2007


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Ledgy posted:

The budget for the soundtrack was 20 dollars

He spent a bit more on the Joyful ost, iirc.

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Powerfrog posted:

I can't even imagine playing Painful mode. You'd have to be a special kind of masochist.

It's real easy once you know the game. Doing a Painful run as a second playthrough is no problem.

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Jan 9, 2007


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It's a part of the experience.

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ManlyGrunting posted:

Onto the Joyful. That will be happier right? It's even in the name! :shepicide:

No.

The Joyful is an ironic name. It is more depressing. Come chat about how depressing you found it in the Lisa Games thread!

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Speedball posted:

Haven't gotten very far, but I noticed the guy who asks you to move two steps to the left so he can mug you, and jumped around on platforms to fall on him from above, taking him out, haha. But you don't get EXP for doing that, do you?

I thought you did. At least you did if you performed this maneuver in the DLC. I can't remember if it works the same way in the base game.

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Speedball posted:

Why are Buddy's uncles all wearing shirts that are too small?

It's hot out. they're shirtless, wearing ponchos.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


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Anyone ever try doing the Roulette with just Brad? I wonder if it's any different or if losing just means a game over.

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Jan 9, 2007


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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

Somehow it feels like the whole thing would be a lot easier emotionally if you could just volunteer for the roulette stool yourself.

As it stands, every time a party member blows his brains out, you have to think seriously about whether you really want to savescum to get him back, rather than just soldier on. Every time you restart, it's because you watched a party member die because of your decision again until you're desensitized to it, and seriously wondering to yourself whether this guy is worth it. It's loving miserable by design.

Life is cheap in Olathe. Don't worry about it.

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Jan 9, 2007


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Brad knows how to drive. You don't need to keep Fardy alive. If he dies, you've already got his truck keys.

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Jan 9, 2007


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Do not underestimate Armstrong Style™.

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Kaboom Dragoon posted:

I imagine once we get to the Joyful, most of the thread will be people going 'oh god, I can finally post this' for about 30 pages straight.

There are a couple of specific pieces of fnart for The Joyful that I've been waiting patiently to reveal.

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Jan 9, 2007


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Acne Rain posted:

Well at least you guys are more patient and understanding for new players than many other LP threads. Like the Undertale thread, which is kind of a sister thread to LISA since they're kind of similar but opposite games, which has been closed many, many times now.

To be clear, if I were to LP Lisa, there would be a "spoil everything" rule in place. If people got upset, I would post "WELCOME TO OLATHE" and then tell them how the game ended.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


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Get every party member killed and play the rest of the game with just Brad.

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Kaja Rainbow posted:

It looks like a lot of people lack reading comprehension given how they're voting right now when the OP's said voting won't happen yet.

Reading comprehension looks fine to me. How about yours?

thevoiceofdog posted:

I'd put the vote up now but there's like 5 characters we haven't seen yet, so in the meantime think of who you want to see more of.

I'm merely thinking out loud about who I want to see more of. Which, I repeat, is just a party of Brad.

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Jan 9, 2007


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It's not. I would argue the whole of Pain Mode isn't worth it. It's kinda fun to challenge yourself, but it doesn't add a tonne to the game.

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The deer-riding rear end in a top hat has both of his arms. That's a look alike. Maybe Buzzo has been poaching members of his gang?

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Speedball posted:

Is Weird only inflicted by mutants?

no.

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Jan 9, 2007


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Bluhman posted:

As much as the 'self-regenerating meat-mutant' concept is original and appealing while still explaining everything going on to some degree, I'm pretty sure this is the intent that dingaling was going for.

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A_Raving_Loon posted:

Rando was recognized as the regional warlord when buddy was still an infant. Brad's friends suggested handing her over as tribute.

The Rando Army isn't even regional. They just sort of go where ever they want, whenever they want.

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Ignatius M. Meen posted:

I have to ask how Brad climbs ropes without arms. Is he using his teeth?

Yes. Also, he now climbs more slowly than he did with two arms.

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Highwang posted:

How the hell is Brad climbing rope without his arm? I can kinda understand the bike but drat.

One-armed is easy enough for someone as strong as Brad. With no arms, he uses his teeth.

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Just as a general comment, let's remember that it's possible to like and enjoy a game while simultaneously being critical of certain aspects.

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