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The Notorious ZSB posted:A dude nominally wise beyond his years, that sees through the EF bullshit Considering his arc through ZZ and CCA I definitely wouldn't go this far
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I'm 2 episodes into 08th MS Team and how is this Shiro guy still alive.
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Sep 22, 2020 16:52
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Plot Armour and being surrounded by people more prone to disaster than he is. Dude survived the Side 2 gassing incident.
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Sep 22, 2020 16:56
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tsob posted:I don't recall the Federation trying to replace Bright and/or the rest of the crew of the White Base at any point, after they leave Luna II or at Jaburo. There is a Federation officer, Lt. Reed, who sets out with the White Base from Luna II aboard a Salamis and is then forced to board the White Base after the Salamis is downed and the transport he tries to take to Earth is too damaged for re-entry, and while there Reed tries to second guess or over-ride Bright on a few occasions, but I don't recall any attempt to replace Bright or the crew. I also wouldn't call Bright "wise beyond his years", because he was quite head-strong and made several mistakes during 0079 due to his inexperience and he's not much better 7 years later during Zeta frankly. It's only during ZZ that he starts to realize that physical violence isn't a good way to motivate people, for one thing. Right, I forgot about the Salamis escort getting shot down and I just thought that the LT was trying to supplant Bright. What happened to Reed? Did he die at some point or did he get reassigned when Matilda managed to resupply the carrier?
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Sep 22, 2020 17:38
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He leaves along with the remaining Salamis crew members, as well as with the sick and injured refugees when Matilda first shows up to resupply the White Base at Revil's request. I don't even think we see any other Salamis crew members, but they're apparently there because Matilda mentions them in the group of people she's taking back with her. He doesn't have any farewell scene or anything, which is why it's easy to assume he died. Matilda just mentions she'll be taking him and those others when she leaves after supplying the White Base, and he doesn't show up again.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:09
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Considering his arc through ZZ and CCA I definitely wouldn't go this far He sees through it, I just think he largely accepts it as a necessary part of avoiding the evils Zeon and it's successors want to bring to the earth sphere. That in Zeta he breaks off the EF/Titans to join his crew with the AEUG speaks to that. After that the EF is more just lazy and bad at actually confronting issues in space than actively evil as they were when the Titans had the reigns, and I think he's okay with that.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:39
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Ibblebibble posted:I'm 2 episodes into 08th MS Team and how is this Shiro guy still alive. Umm true love? oops double post
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Sep 22, 2020 19:40
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The Notorious ZSB posted:He sees through it, I just think he largely accepts it as a necessary part of avoiding the evils Zeon and it's successors want to bring to the earth sphere. That in Zeta he breaks off the EF/Titans to join his crew with the AEUG speaks to that. After that the EF is more just lazy and bad at actually confronting issues in space than actively evil as they were when the Titans had the reigns, and I think he's okay with that. Well... I don't think he's okay with that, from how unhappy he was with his bosses in CCA and Unicorn, but he realizes that the cost/benefit ratio of full on rebellion isn't looking good. In Unicorn, he even lays out that, if the Federation pushes him too far, that's it. He's done with them. He believes in the good the Federation has done, and distrusts most of the rebellions against it, but he's well aware he's working with something very, very flawed. (Oh, fun trivia that the Amuro discussion reminded me of? Apparently, according to some of the supplementary material, one of the original Gundam test pilots actually survived the mess on Side 7. Presumably, he was just too injured or too embarrassed about being outperformed by a teenager to try to get back to piloting the Gundam.)
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Sep 22, 2020 21:00
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chiasaur11 posted:Well... I don't think he's okay with that, from how unhappy he was with his bosses in CCA and Unicorn, but he realizes that the cost/benefit ratio of full on rebellion isn't looking good. In Unicorn, he even lays out that, if the Federation pushes him too far, that's it. He's done with them. I also think Bright is more or less OK with the large amount of leeway being commander of Londo Bell gives him. He's in a position where he can, within his rights as Londo Bell commander, invade Federation strategic command for a "surprise inspection" on suspicion of conspiracy. I think he might see himself as a last line of defense against the kind of abuses that brought the Titans into being from happening again.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:03
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There's also the fact that Bright being in command of Londo Bell gave him enough leeway to unilaterally have his forces save the Earth from annihilation in CCA while the regular Federation military did nothing. Like, he's working in a flawed system and has made some major sacrifices(hello, being-a-horribly-neglectful-husband-and-father-for-over-a-decade), but him being in that position saved a significant portion of the human race. Kanos fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 21:19
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chiasaur11 posted:Well... I don't think he's okay with that, from how unhappy he was with his bosses in CCA and Unicorn, but he realizes that the cost/benefit ratio of full on rebellion isn't looking good. In Unicorn, he even lays out that, if the Federation pushes him too far, that's it. He's done with them. Okay with it is probably not the right description, have to give you that, but I think he's okay with his place in that not very good system. Especially later as noted his position in Londo Bell allows him to be a necessary check on some of those issues and once again with wisdom beyond his years (or maybe by unicorn just what he should have) make better decisions than the chucklefucks running the EF.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:09
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Kanos posted:There's also the fact that Bright being in command of Londo Bell gave him enough leeway to unilaterally have his forces save the Earth from annihilation in CCA while the regular Federation military did nothing. It's actually interesting to bring this up, since he's not nearly as bad as I expected from that angle, watching CCA and Zeta. (I understand that ZZ is somewhat... messier.) Mirai understands and makes sure Hathaway and Cheimin know their father as well as they can while he's busy, and Bight does whatever he can while he's busy with work. (He also breaks down crying when Char's able to get him a message from his family). Meanwhile, the person who most criticizes their approach is Beltorchika at her most "I know nothing, but am confident I know everything". The thing that really stood out was how Hathaway talks about his family in Char's Counterattack. Throughout Gundam, you see a lot of incredibly bad families. And then you see Hathaway casually suggest that Newtype powers exist so that families split between space and Earth can still be together, Chan notes that his family seems happy, and Hathaway goes "Yeah, but dad still gets on my nerves". Despite how things turned out with Hathaway (curious how that's going to go in the movie), Bright's still generally shown as an okay dad.
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Sep 22, 2020 23:24
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chiasaur11 posted:It's actually interesting to bring this up, since he's not nearly as bad as I expected from that angle, watching CCA and Zeta. (I understand that ZZ is somewhat... messier.) Is Beltorchkia wrong in that instance? Hathaway having a better relationship with his father than Quess, Kamille, or Judau isn't a high bar.
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Sep 23, 2020 00:24
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Maarak posted:Is Beltorchkia wrong in that instance? Hathaway having a better relationship with his father than Quess, Kamille, or Judau isn't a high bar. Almost certainly. The Hong Kong arc is basically just a long stretch of Beltorchika being wrong about things, letting her abandonment traumas overshadow the facts at hand. Mirai's going "Yeah, it's tough having to handle everything while Bright's away, which is why communication and understanding is so important, so I can help the kids know what their father is like even when he can't be around." Meanwhile Beltorchika is just going "You're a horrible parent because you're not both around all the time! This isn't just me projecting my issues on everyone else!"
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Sep 23, 2020 00:51
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chiasaur11 posted:Almost certainly. You're being quite generous to Mirai and disingenuous about Beltorchkia, at least in that scene. After explaining that Bright has gone to space to "release his frustrations", Beltorchkia asks if that's tough on her raising her kids alone on Earth. She not only doesn't mind,   Beltorchkia asks if she's a Newtype to have such abilities, since she's making some grand claims there. Mirai's answer is insufficient.    No amount of rationalization from Mirai will change where Bright is, and who he isn't raising. Whatever her other faults might be, Beltorchkia sees through it.  As far as I can tell, Bright spends Zeta through Unicorn always at the front, only seeing his son during wartime.
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Sep 23, 2020 01:17
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Mirai is literally a Newtype. The entire point of that scene is that A) She's comfortable with the situation and Beltorchika doesn't understand and B) She is aware that Bright is doing his best to make the world a better place for their kids to grow up in. Beltorchika genuinely doesn't understand the situation at all because of her own flaws and assumes Mirai must be lying because she can't imagine the other part being true. This is actually pretty relevant because it reflects her character growth as was originally intended and the Beltorchika who didn't get written off is someone who literally accepts that Amuro has to go out and fight for their unborn child's future. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 01:36
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My opinon of Bright is pretty flavored by ZZ where he basically attempts to create another "ace pilot teen falls into the Gundam" on purpose after thinking about it a bit with Judau and uh... that did not work out well for the last two people it happened to on top of being kinda lovely in general. (Thankfully, Judau's got the rare trait of "Gundam boy with stable social relationships and sense of self" so he just came out horribly dissilusioned about the entire Earth sphere.) I also remember being petty spectacularly unimpressed by his threats of rebellion in Unicorn since he didn't actually do anything, but I can't remember enough of the context there to really judge it.
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Sep 23, 2020 01:46
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gourdcaptain posted:My opinon of Bright is pretty flavored by ZZ where he basically attempts to create another "ace pilot teen falls into the Gundam" on purpose after thinking about it a bit with Judau and uh... that did not work out well for the last two people it happened to on top of being kinda lovely in general. I also remember being petty spectacularly unimpressed by his threats of rebellion in Unicorn since he didn't actually do anything, but I can't remember enough of the context there to really judge it. He didn't really try to create it. Judau helped Yazan break in, murder some people, and then fell into the Gundam and turned out to be entirely capable of pulling an Amuro so Bright was basically stuck with that or "The Neo Zeon murder us all." He isn't trying to create youths who steal Gundams and end up being immensely powerful Newtypes, it just keeps happening to him. You can make an argument he tried with Banagher but with Banagher it's more "Oh god drat it I've seen this poo poo before I know how it goes." Really Bright's entire thing is that he's actually fully aware that for whatever bullshit reason the Universe has talented Newtype kids keep falling into Gundams and preventing atrocities in situations where not letting them pilot the Gundam would get everyone around them killed. He's basically fully on the Newtype train and is fully aware that he is not one and can't be one and so the best he can do is support these weird plot armored kids to the best of his ability. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 01:49
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ImpAtom posted:Really Bright's entire thing is that he's actually fully aware that for whatever bullshit reason the Universe has talented Newtype kids keep falling into Gundams and preventing atrocities in situations where not letting them pilot the Gundam would get everyone around them killed. He's basically fully on the Newtype train and is fully aware that he is not one and can't be one and so the best he can do is support these weird plot armored kids to the best of his ability.
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Sep 23, 2020 01:55
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ImpAtom posted:He didn't really try to create it. Judau helped Yazan break in, murder some people, and then fell into the Gundam and turned out to be entirely capable of pulling an Amuro so Bright was basically stuck with that or "The Neo Zeon murder us all." He isn't trying to create youths who steal Gundams and end up being immensely powerful Newtypes, it just keeps happening to him. Remember the first rule of something not making sense in Unicorn. Unicorn is bad.
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Sep 23, 2020 01:55
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I’ve been going through the original Gundam again and every time Ramba Ral is on screen I get a big laugh when I think about him being 35.
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Sep 23, 2020 02:41
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One thing I'll be sad about with the live action gundam is if they change people's names. I want people shouting Bright Noa with utter conviction that it is a serious name and not silly. Bright Noa and Fraw Bow get attacked on a shuttle ride by a Braw Bro.
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Sep 23, 2020 03:00
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Onmi posted:Remember the first rule of something not making sense in Unicorn. Unicorn is bad. This isn't just Unicorn though. By ZZ Gundam he's on his third Gundam Kid (and this time it's an entire squadron of them) and he's basically going "We need to entrust things to the future generation." Arcsquad12 posted:One thing I'll be sad about with the live action gundam is if they change people's names. I want people shouting Bright Noa with utter conviction that it is a serious name and not silly. The ace pilot Ray Amuro will be forced to pilot the Gundam in order to battle his arch enemy Charles Zeon.
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Sep 23, 2020 03:42
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ImpAtom posted:You can make an argument he tried with Banagher but with Banagher it's more "Oh god drat it I've seen this poo poo before I know how it goes." My remembrance of it in unicorn is that Bright basically told Banagher to believe in what he was doing and what he believed in, with the framing being that Bright had already seen more than once that a kid with a Gundam could make big things happen. Maybe not "change the system" big, but "save the world, and the war" big and that might just be big enough.
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Sep 23, 2020 03:49
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ImpAtom posted:This isn't just Unicorn though. By ZZ Gundam he's on his third Gundam Kid (and this time it's an entire squadron of them) and he's basically going "We need to entrust things to the future generation." I think most of the White Base crew could keep their names as is, because even Amuro Ray isn't that weird sounding. Bright and Fraw Bow would probably end up as Noah Bright and Fran Bowen. Its when you get into the others like Ramba Ral and SLEGGAR LAW that something magical will be lost if they try to bowdlerize the names. What will happen to my boy Challia Bull? Or Denim, Slender and Gene?
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Welcome to Texas. McOof will be your guide.
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Sep 23, 2020 04:47
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I don't know if Mirai functionally admitting that Bright is absolutely never around due to work so she has to construct a mental concept of what he's like to her kids qualifies Bright as being a good father in any sense of the term, even if that scene was meant to reflect negatively on Beltorchika. Hathaway in CCA doesn't seem to hate his dad, but he also doesn't seem to really care what his dad has to say, either.
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Sep 23, 2020 07:30
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I feel like Bright's attitude towards Gundam kids by Unicorn is basically that as an adult who's failed to create a non-lovely future, the least he can do is trust a kid with determination and support them the best he can.
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Sep 23, 2020 08:05
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ImpAtom posted:The ace pilot Ray Amuro will be forced to pilot the Gundam in order to battle his arch enemy Charles Zeon. 'Here Comes Charles', but written out like a Frasier title card.
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Sep 23, 2020 08:10
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Do we know it'll be an adaptation of 0079 rather than just another Gundam-themed AU?
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Sep 23, 2020 10:56
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Kanos posted:I don't know if Mirai functionally admitting that Bright is absolutely never around due to work so she has to construct a mental concept of what he's like to her kids qualifies Bright as being a good father in any sense of the term, even if that scene was meant to reflect negatively on Beltorchika. Yeah, while Mirai does understand where Bright's coming from and why he's away all the time, I don't think his kids would see it that way. Hayato was busy being the leader of Karaba a lot, but I think it's implied he actually managed to take some time to spend with his family. Also, this is a ZZ question, but what did all of you think about Bright and Emary? While nothing physical happened, did Bright somehow got into an emotional affair with her, or is it really just a one-sided love from Emary's side?
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Sep 23, 2020 11:07
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I got the vibe Bright cared about her and would have gone for it in a heartbeat if he was single, but he knew better than to make anything of it and didn't care about her more than Mirai or anything.
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Sep 23, 2020 11:42
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amigolupus posted:Yeah, while Mirai does understand where Bright's coming from and why he's away all the time, I don't think his kids would see it that way. Hayato was busy being the leader of Karaba a lot, but I think it's implied he actually managed to take some time to spend with his family. Looking at his first scene with Hathaway in CCA, it really doesn't seem like they "never see each other". There's all kinds of things you see from people who've been away for months or years, and despite Tomino Gundam loving the hell out of some subtle gestures (like Amuro's handshake in Zeta), Hathaway and Bright don't show them. Further, Bright's "a pain" in Hathaway's judgement (in the first subs I found a transcript of, couldn't quite catch the Japanese), like any teenage boy might complain about, not "never there", like Tem Ray. Bright not be able to get home as much as he'd like and or as much as he should, but it's clear he tries to be there for his family when it's possible.
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Darth Walrus posted:Do we know it'll be an adaptation of 0079 rather than just another Gundam-themed AU? Wing might have been the big deal gundam series in North America but Sunrise has wanted 0079 to take off for years.
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amigolupus posted:Also, this is a ZZ question, but what did all of you think about Bright and Emary? While nothing physical happened, did Bright somehow got into an emotional affair with her, or is it really just a one-sided love from Emary's side? Bright was about three heartbeats away from intimate physical contact with Emary until a photo of his family comically and coincidentally floated into his field of view and made him snap out of it and tone down the horn-o-meter. I don't think he was deeply in love with her or anything but he really seemed down to clown until guilt made him restrain himself. chiasaur11 posted:Looking at his first scene with Hathaway in CCA, it really doesn't seem like they "never see each other". There's all kinds of things you see from people who've been away for months or years, and despite Tomino Gundam loving the hell out of some subtle gestures (like Amuro's handshake in Zeta), Hathaway and Bright don't show them. Further, Bright's "a pain" in Hathaway's judgement (in the first subs I found a transcript of, couldn't quite catch the Japanese), like any teenage boy might complain about, not "never there", like Tem Ray. Tem Ray wasn't "never there", he was just frequently away on business, just like Bright. Tem was almost assuredly present more often than Bright was given that business trips tend to be shorter and less demanding of your time than being a focal figure in multiple major armed conflicts, but he didn't have a Mirai there to keep the family unit stable in his absence, which is the real difference between them. Both father figures basically put their families on the shelf for huge periods of time and clearly made a decision to prioritize their work over their family life, but Bright's family had a stabilizing parental figure present and Amuro's didn't. Not that it really helped Hathaway that much.
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Sep 23, 2020 14:47
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It's okay, his flash is the hope of humanity according to the Hathaway's Flash trailer.
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Sep 23, 2020 15:32
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's okay, his flash is the hope of humanity according to the Hathaway's Flash trailer. Hyperbolic anime trailers are like that. I especially enjoyed the trailers for the Origin claiming that it was a controversial new series for showing off pre 0079 footage like it was some black box conspiracy.
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Tem Ray being absent makes all the of sense given the circumstances. Also, i always assumed that federation MS were made to be simple to use (easy to learn, difficult to master sort of thing) because they didnt have years to train an MS corps like Zeon did. The gundam did also have some rudimentary AI for operation as well. Ive heard nothing about the MSG live action movie, but i will say that Mark Hamill would probably make a good General Revil.
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how should i order my stacks in gihrens greed: moa V do I put aces in the front and hope they lower damage with their evasion or do i put them in the back.
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Stairmaster posted:how should i order my stacks in gihrens greed: moa V In front so they get in on the melee. Great game, shame they removed the cutscenes.
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