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Did that IBO spin-off phone game ever come out?
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May 10, 2021 14:52
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No. They're still like, producing a 4koma for it, so I don't think it's cancelled, it just seems to have been delayed indefinitely.
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May 10, 2021 19:18
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Relin posted:just watched that ep. visual storytelling but also loving stupid
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May 11, 2021 04:53
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LibrarianCroaker posted:No. They also were regularly releasing new visuals for it back in March. Presumably, it was hit by covid delays in addition to everything else, which can't have helped.
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May 11, 2021 05:58
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I managed to introduce my friend to Gundam via Thunderbolt: December Sky. I needed something short and quality so that it wasn't as big an ask as doing doing a full 50 ep series. The good news is that he enjoyed it and wasn't entirely put off by the brutality. If he can handle Gundam at its bleakest he should be good to go on other series. I'm still trying to ease him into things so my next two suggestions were Origin or Unicorn. Waiting to hear back on that one. I gave him the briefest rundown of Universal Century Gundam but I didn't mention the Newtypes, so that may be a sticking point. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:54 on May 11, 2021 |
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May 11, 2021 20:19
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People keep saying you can just jump right into unicorn but that has never been my feeling of it any time I've watched it, it's so caught up in the legacy of gundam and touring through all these cool places from previous shows and it never really explains what newtypes are either. Origin is an ok place to start, but a lot of what's enjoyable about it is seeing these characters you're already familiar with in a different time frame and learning what led to them being the people you already know, so I dunno if it'd be my first choice. Honestly my thinking is that going from thunderbolt to iron blooded orphans is the most sensible next step. War in the pocket is a good choice too, as a "you've seen gundam at its most blunt, now see the other end of the scale" choice to give someone the full breadth of what they can expect from gundam tonally.
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May 11, 2021 21:11
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Unicorn with zero UC context is just pretty but has no weight whatsoever. It really needs the 0079/Zeta/CCA context to make sense.
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May 11, 2021 21:16
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The thing I like about war in the pocket as an introductory gundam is it really spells out "you need to read into the subtext and messaging of the story" really powerfully and in a somewhat quick turnaround time. When I used it to introduce a friend to gundam, what we found is that there's a lot of early stuff that makes you go "why are they telling a story about some dumb school kid? Why does this kid not react like a real person to a robot invasion?" that seem like the markings of a bad show, until you hit the end and all those questions are pretty well shown to be The Entire Point. It's a nice companion piece to how Thunderbolt constantly shoves the subtext into your face so hard it's basically text, the next step being a show that waits a bit before pointing out all the stuff you should've picked up on. Gundam as a franchise leans a lot harder into subtext than most other franchises so it's a really good lesson to go through early on.
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May 11, 2021 21:28
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Honestly I'd say 00 makes the best intro to the franchise overall
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May 11, 2021 21:31
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I'm also trying to avoid a toonami situation where he gets a chunk of something meaty and the gets whiplash from going to 0079. Unicorn is continuity porn: the anime but I think I could sell him on it with the premise that it's the first true postwar generation still dealing with the fallout of the war he got a glimpse of in Thunderbolt. He's keen and able to pick up on messaging. I just want to gauge if there is an interest there that goes beyond pretty visuals. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 11, 2021 |
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May 11, 2021 21:31
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everybody likes war in the pocket, it's a perfect small and self contained piece of Gundam which is exactly why you shouldn't use it as an intro
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May 11, 2021 21:35
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00S1 is an excellent entry point
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May 11, 2021 21:52
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dogsicle posted:everybody likes war in the pocket how dare you LIES
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May 11, 2021 22:38
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Everybody likes war in the pocket except that guy
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May 11, 2021 22:44
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I'd also echo 00 as a good entry. My partner isn't much of an anime person and she really liked it.
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May 12, 2021 00:04
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We have people that love resident evil Gaiden, so can we have war in the pocket haters
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May 12, 2021 00:41
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I'm not adding much by saying that War in the Pocket is a great pick, especially if you want something short, but... it's a great pick. 00's trickier for me to judge, since I've only seen part of it, but it does have a lot going for it, especially in season 1. I prefer Iron Blooded Orphans, especially since that one goes on to a solid conclusion instead of to the terrible Trailblazer movie, but some of it is simply a matter of stylistic preference. Beams and supercomputers predicting the future are different from child slaves and 9mm retirement packages (although 00 touches on that whole setup as well), which means different audiences prefer them. What's more, 00 is more suitable as a general intro in some ways due to that, since it has pseudo-Newtypes and Understanding, which are common motifs in Gundam that IBO ignores. Getting used to them early means being better equipped to watch the original without going "Wait. Gundam has psychics now?" Speaking of incoherent, I'm now two movies into the SEED special editions and yeah. It's bad. The pacing is just confusing, with the second movie starting with the Cagalli island, then never showing how she and Athrun got off it, ending the scenes with her and Athrun charging each other. (Apparently, the version I saw edited out James Earl Jones explaining how the children learned how to function as a society, and eventually they were rescued by, oh, let's say... Moe.) We also see Kira is fine in the middle of a scene of people mourning him, have Tolle die without even getting enough scenes to realize he's alive, no breathing room for any big narrative moments, and also Lacus singing for five minutes, because there was clearly so much time to spare. Also, can we talk about the war crimes? Because normally in Gundam, we spend time with people to get to know why they commit war crimes, even if it's "Oh, Gihren thinks being the new Hitler is a great idea." Here, we see a bunch of war crimes just... because. Random soldiers execute surrendering prisoners because, basically, they're assholes. (Also because the Earth Alliance isn't allowed to have nice things, with the debut of their new MS ending with them being rendered useless while the GINNs were immune to jammers... because.) I really don't know how I feel about watching the movies versus the show for SEED. The movies are worse, but they're also shorter, and one of the biggest problems I had with SEED was the pacing. Guess the lesson here is that no-one should watch SEED.
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May 12, 2021 00:55
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00s1 is flashy and dumb and entertaining. not everything is as bleak as december sky.
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chiasaur11 posted:I'm not adding much by saying that War in the Pocket is a great pick, especially if you want something short, but... it's a great pick. There's a reason I push for the "treat Season 1 of 00 as standalone and ignore Season 2 and the Movie" path of dealing with 00 it overall works a lot smoother outside of there not being a resolution to either Nina or the Princess(honestly if I had any video editing skills I'd probably just do an edit of season 1 where all of her scenes are cut out since they go nowhere in that season and just end up being a depressing waste of time)
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May 12, 2021 01:04
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the princess is setsuna's human connection, but she doesn't really matter much otherwise in s1.
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May 12, 2021 01:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcoZdYSnJhU Maybe I could get him to watch this. Surprisingly good (video) quality for the ancient English film dub. The audio definitely sounds like some voices were recording in their bathrooms. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:28 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 01:32
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Arcsquad12 posted:I managed to introduce my friend to Gundam via Thunderbolt: December Sky. I needed something short and quality so that it wasn't as big an ask as doing doing a full 50 ep series. The good news is that he enjoyed it and wasn't entirely put off by the brutality. If he can handle Gundam at its bleakest he should be good to go on other series. put them on the first gundam trilogy before origin, tho, unless they are REALLY allergic to "old" animation TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 06:31 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 06:28
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Starting with 00 then going to OG and going "Wait, Ribbons is the protag?"
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May 12, 2021 06:59
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I couldn't get into 00 for the same reasons I was never a big fan of SEED. I don't like the big flashy laser fights and both the mech and character designs pushed me away from them pretty hard for entirely personal preference reasons. It's made playing the last few generations of gundam games pretty rough when we went from a glut of SEED mechs to a glut of SEED and 00 mechs.
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May 12, 2021 07:30
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00S1 is mostly light on the big flashy laser fights because most of the factions don't have lasers for 80% of the season.
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May 12, 2021 08:13
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the princess is setsuna's human connection, but she doesn't really matter much otherwise in s1. I'd say that Saji is Setsuna's human connection in season one more than Marina, and that Marina servers more as a sounding wall for his thoughts and maternal figure. She even has the same VA and a similar design to his actual mother, if I recall. Setsuna discusses the role of conflict in achieving peace, what he wants to achieve etc. with her rather than having a more mundane relationship, as he does with Saji when they interact. Lockon and Marina are basically the trigger that pushes Setsuna to change and develop as a character, and I don't think he'd have developed nearly as much over the course of the season as he did without one or the other. That said, her role was basically finished with season one and she was pretty superfluous in season two. The show kind of wanted her to replace Saji as the normal person watching the events of the conflict Celestial Being were waging play out, and how it affected her lfie; but I don't think it was as successful, because she didn't have a particilarly normal life even after leaving politics, she had no other notable characters to interact with since Shirin was gone and there was nothing about the plot that interjected into her life beyond soldiers threatening her occasionally. Saji's life became a bit too affected by the events of season one, but Ali killing his sister intruded just enough since it also connected the two plots while doing some legwork on the backstory and world building, as well as establishing just what a vile poo poo Ali was. Marina had nothing similar, and basically just watced some kids for 20+ episodes while singing occasionally. That said, I did enjoy Setsuna's epilogue with her in Trailblazer. Then again, I like both the movie and season two in general more than a lot of people, even if I don't think either are as strong as season one.
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May 12, 2021 11:19
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Nooo, Saji's season one role is the perspective of a normal citizen watching all the big events going on in the world around him.
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May 12, 2021 11:27
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I literally said that though? He can have more than one role.
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May 12, 2021 11:38
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One thing 00s2 has going for it is that the show puts Celestial Being on the back foot for a good portion of its run. Once the 00 Raiser comes online they have the technological advantage again, but the A Laws still have the numbers and the political power to complement their military forces. In fact they’ve got enough to build not one but two orbital superlasers. Needed more Hallelujah though.
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May 12, 2021 11:41
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Until the second to last episode or so they were only able to operate because ribbons wanted them to both for the raiser tech and to have something to unite his rule against Marinas role in the second season was to show that even with the censorship imposed by Veda, humans would still strive to find a way to communicate. That's why her song keeps reoccurring that season. The problem is while her thematic significance is great her actual human presence is lacking.
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May 12, 2021 12:10
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Gaius Marius posted:Until the second to last episode or so they were only able to operate because ribbons wanted them to both for the raiser tech and to have something to unite his rule against I feel like Marina adds virtually nothing to the season. They really don't spend a lot of time dwelling on Ribbons' information control within the general populace(in large part because 00S2 drags almost all of the civilian characters who used to be an audience viewpoint for the general populace directly into the conflict). Her song plays...once? Twice? In the entire season, and isn't really a rallying point or something profound that the characters we're spending time with give a poo poo about. She looks even worse as a character because Kudelia from IBO fulfills an extremely similar role as Marina(human sounding board for the damaged child soldier protagonist/politician working for peace) except Kudelia actually accomplishes major things and influences people in visible and important ways, while Marina...mostly sits in a room and waits for Setsuna to show up to pontificate at her, spending the rest of her time doing pretty much nothing.
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May 12, 2021 12:43
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Kanos posted:I feel like Marina adds virtually nothing to the season. They really don't spend a lot of time dwelling on Ribbons' information control within the general populace(in large part because 00S2 drags almost all of the civilian characters who used to be an audience viewpoint for the general populace directly into the conflict). Her song plays...once? Twice? In the entire season, and isn't really a rallying point or something profound that the characters we're spending time with give a poo poo about. Hell, Lacus Clyne is a better version of the same character role than Marina.
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May 12, 2021 13:22
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I'm holding down the 0080 Haters Club and there's room for others. 00 is good AU Gundam, I think S2 is weaker than S1, but its many values better than SEED in just about everyway. S2 gets you fake LOCKON which is just hilariously good and they kinda play with it as an actual character development arc so it isn't really as dumb as the concept sounds.
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May 12, 2021 19:43
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I also appreciate that Lockon 2 is like, an okay sniper but as the stakes increase he’s more likely to just pull out his pistols and go to town.
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May 12, 2021 19:53
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I appreciate 00 as a Gundam take on Foundation/2001. I also like the 00 S1 designs. Exia > 00.
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May 12, 2021 20:31
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ManSedan posted:I also appreciate that Lockon 2 is like, an okay sniper but as the stakes increase he’s more likely to just pull out his pistols and go to town. I like the idea of Lockon 2 looking the same as his twin (obviously) but being a completely different person from his fighting style to his reletionships to his values, but I think they kind of undercut themselves by having him go "hey Haro, did my brother have a catchphrase I can copy?" during his first fight.
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May 12, 2021 21:07
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I feel like I'm in the minority on this, but I not only prefer 00 over Exia, I like the shoulder mounted engines. I think they're a pretty unique take, and give the suit both a memorable profile as well as visually making it clear that the unit is really maneuverable, because it can thrust in about a 280 degree angle on each side of it's body. On the other hand, I loving loathe the Raiser, and the fact it's literally just a plane hanging on the unit's back that destroys the unit's clean profile. As well has having Saji around in every battle doing essentially nothing. What litle he contributes in terms of plot or action could reasonably be done from the Ptolomaios instead.
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May 12, 2021 21:08
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Droyer posted:I like the idea of Lockon 2 looking the same as his twin (obviously) but being a completely different person from his fighting style to his reletionships to his values, but I think they kind of undercut themselves by having him go "hey Haro, did my brother have a catchphrase I can copy?" during his first fight. I'm Lockon's identical twin brother, Gill.
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Imagine if they followed the Beerfest rules and for the rest of the show it was never acknowledged that they were, in fact, separate people edit: I imagine I'm kind of being too to the point with this but I think the animation art of most of the mobile suits in 00 makes all of the cool designs look like trash. The Thrones and most grunts translate well but the CB mobile suits and a lot of later stuff just does not translate well for the modern animation style muike fucked around with this message at 21:26 on May 12, 2021 |
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