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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Namtab posted:

I'm saying that the movies should be a rec for newbies and not just people who want to get into UC

They're good, but you need to be able to stomach terrible late 70s animation.

Also, the OP could do with some more art just to break it up a bit. Maybe use some of the covers for the more recent Bluray releases?

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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Namtab posted:

What's everyone's fave gundam (show) and gundam (big robot)

Unicorn is my favourite OVA (the animation quality is ridiculously good, the music is ridiculously good, it has a ton of continuity/gear porn for UC fans, the leads are pretty likeable for kids, the show is mostly low-key political conflict/tactical skirmishing between two ships playing cat and mouse), Turn-A is my favourite 4-cours show (it has the best pacing and the best character development of any Gundam show, as well as being stupidly gorgeous and just generally good), IBO might end up my overall favourite show if it stays good (it's really good).

Gundams are garbage (the V-fin, mempo and chinbeard are bad) but the Turn-A sort of grows on you like a cancer (it has a moustache), the V2 is pretty rad and the AGE-1 Spallow is non-terrible.

My favourite mobile suit design is the Gerbera Tetra (it's one of the best-looking Zeon suits), but the RGM-79D Cold Climate GM is probably my second favourite (it's essentially the quintessential generation 1.5 GM I).

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Oct 12, 2015

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
I've edited my post to give you some reasons, Namtab.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKqs1JLDbp4

Droyer please put this in the OP.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Droyer posted:

Nah, the op is the requisite super serious post. I'll put it in the second post though

That works.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Azran posted:

Is there any way to watch the original Gundam, like a remaster or anything, that won't make it feel dated as gently caress? I really really want to watch Zeta, 0083 and all the other stuff I never had a chance to watch but I don't know where to start.

There's no way to watch MSG79 that won't make it feel like it was animated on a shoestring budget in the late 70s. It somehow hasn't received a real remake. However:

If you're okay with the bad 70s animation, Bandai are literally releasing MSG79 on Bluray this year, so you can at least obtain the full show legally and in 1080p (for what little that last part is worth with bad 70s animation).

If you can find them, the show was also condensed into three films in 1981 which do a lot to fix the pacing and remove one of the most toyetic/super-robot-ish elements from the show (the G-Armor) in favour of something better (the core booster). I would argue these are worth watching more than MSG79 itself.

If you don't care about MSG79 itself and just want to know who Amuro and Sayla and Char and Lalah are, there's a currently ongoing manga reboot/retelling of MSG79 called Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin that is pretty good, although it diverges significantly from UC canon in quite a few places (sometimes for the better, sometimes not so much). There's also one (soon to be two) tie-in animated film that cover the prequel-to-the-One-Year-War part of The Origin, but I'd argue that that's one of the least good parts of it.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Son Ryo posted:

In what way is the Core Booster better than the G-Armor?

It's not some garbage super robot poo poo.

Turn-A retroactively made the Gundam hammer cool.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Motto posted:

I love Bright always looking this close to having a breakdown from all the poo poo getting dropped on his lap from both inside and outside WB.

To be fair, he's like that in MSG79 as well. He spends a bunch of episodes in the sickbay due to collapsing from stress and generally spends a lot of time wondering if he's making the right choices, as you'd expect from someone who's a Junior Lieutenant and ends up being the seniormost officer on a prototype next-generation spaceship because everyone else died.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
As mentioned in the chat thread, I've started watching AGE.

Also as mentioned in the chat thread, I'm invariably going to end up hating everything when the show fails to live up to its promise, because the animation, character/mecha design and music are all ridiculously good.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Sharkopath posted:



The GM Underground Combat Type is a GM Cold Climate but with drills for hands and a new headlamp. Incredible.

I'm very okay with this.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
AGE trip report three episodes in: still good, still very pretty. The inevitable disappointment is going to hit real hard.

e; I can't remember when I first heard of Gundam, but I do know I hadn't watched any of it bar 08th MS until last year. I watched Unicorn through to episode 6 at one point (the latest episode at the time) and decided I'd watch every UC OVA, then every UC show and CCA while I waited for episode 7, then all of Turn-A after that (I finished Turn-A, I'm still halfway through MSG79 and haven't started Zeta). I've seen a total of two episodes each of Wing and 00 and didn't like them, I've never even seen an episode of Seed, After War, G Gundam or Victory.

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Oct 15, 2015

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
AGE is still pretty good five episodes in and the annoying rear end in a top hat pilot turned out to not be an annoying rear end in a top hat for the most part.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

dogsicle posted:

...is this post about Woolf? :crossarms:

Yes. Even though he's a boastful moron, he's (so far) turned out to be friendly and have good intentions, so he's not too bad.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Also, good job getting Gundamjacked by a five year old, Flit.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

nuru posted:

:allears:

Keep watching. Never stop posting.

I'm planning to! I might not stick through the whole thing, though, I'll stop when it gets truly unbearable.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

boom boom boom posted:

I hope you like it all the way through

I also hope I like it all the way through, because I like it when I can like things. Liking things is cool.

I mean, regardless of what happens, AGE will still have ridiculously good character and mecha design.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Sushi in Yiddish posted:

Watched all of 0080 for the first time, drat is that a good series.

Great story, fantastic mecha designs little kids helping the enemy



good stuff, on to 0083

drat shame we haven't been getting more UC games here in the US after the Gundam PS3 launch game poo poo the bed.

0080 has the best mecha design in all of UC, and the opening fight scene is one of the best Gundam fight scenes ever. :3:

Also, people will tell you 0083 is bad but they're wrong. It's good, it's just that Kou is a whiny pissbaby.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Did Beltorchika's Children and Hathaway's Flash ever get translated, even by fans?

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

EthanSteele posted:

they aim for center mass

Surely aiming for centre mass is proof of better training, since that's where the cockpit is? They're also using ballistic weapons, so their odds of causing a reactor breach are minimal, unlike the Hygogg's seemingly-beam gatlings that the Cyclops team is using on GM torsos willy-nilly in that scene. :v:

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Droyer posted:

Please do not post your essay on why moe is bad in the Gundam thread

Hideaki Anno posted his in The Origin vol.1:

quote:

I'm afraid the legacy of Gundam dwindled down to the mobile suits, in the form of plastic models as a business and military hobbyism. Even these mobile suits were summarized down to protagonist mecha, Gundam, so that friend and foe alike were all uniformly Gundams. One could say this was inevitable: the pivotal creation that made Gundam a classic and drives the franchise expansion to this day is, of course, the mobile suit, represented by the RX-78 Gundam, weapon bearing the elements of a character; and the way of the world is that characters are what ultimately remain with the audience.

In recent years, in the world of anime and manga too, the hollowing out of mainstream culture and putative rise of subculture severely diluted and eroded the standing of the Tale.

Audience have come to need a work only as an escape from reality, as an comfortable dream, judging everything on the criterion of moe, while creators' intellectual paucity and the jumble of trivial touches have encouraged that structure. At the same time, TV-type mass consumption, which prizes instant gratification and simplistic results, laid the impoverished grounds of contemporary Japanese entertainment, giving rise to masses that can only respond with praise for superficial details and technical proficiency; with tears, laughter, fear, or some other outpouring of simple emotions; or with identifying and particularism.

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Oct 21, 2015

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Lemon Curdistan posted:

Did Beltorchika's Children and Hathaway's Flash ever get translated, even by fans?

Reposting this because I don't think anyone saw the question. I want to read about Bright sentencing his own kid to death.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Meanwhile, as of episode 8, AGE has veered into what feels like formulaic weekly cartoon territory, but it's still pretty decent. :unsmith:

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Dude, bail. Save yourself while there's still time :ohdear:. We won't think less of you for doing so, just the opposite in fact.

I'm riding this train all the way until I can no longer bear it. :unsmigghh:

Riding it very slowly, mind you, but riding it nonetheless.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

He looks pretty good.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

DamnGlitch posted:

because I always assumed she was gonna die.

Why? That's literally the question here, there's no reason for her to die other than Gundam clichés, and her dying was actively bad for the narrative.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Unicorn and 0083 are both good. :colbert:

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
CCA is also good. :colbert:

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Char is an absolute shitstain, but mainstream UC Gundam is about 50% a chronicle of Char's gradual descent into insanity anyway.

Cosmo Babylonia's ideology is basically the Zabis' stance on power and nothing else, i.e. without any of economic or ecological policies that were the core of Deikun's Zeonism if you read all the supplemental material. The problem is that the "main" Gundam shows don't actually talk about those policies all that much, so Zeon is usually reduced to "independence from Earth, fascism, warcrimes, 19th century aristocracy," and Cosmo Babylonia fits at least three of those.

Whether Degwin Zabi believed in Deikun's actual ideology or just wanted to be a space dictator also changes depending on what you read, so we have no idea how much of the pre-OYW Republic's politics actually carried over to the Principality. We do know that the Principality was aristocratic, populist, fascist and militaristic, though, so it's pretty fair to compare Cosmo Babylonia directly to the Principality of Zeon because it's pretty close to how Zeon was depicted in MSG79.

Since these are very popular fictional characters who are constantly subject to reinterpretation, we'll never have a definitive and exhaustive list of the Republic and Principality's political ideologies, or any comprehensive idea of the doctrinal differences between the Republic, Principality, New Republic, Axis Neo-Zeon, Reborn Neo-Zeon, the Sleeves and the gigantic clusterfuck of balkanised factional politics that were the Zeon remnants on Earth.

Which, incidentally, is one of the main reasons I like UC Gundam so much, because Zeon's factionalism is pretty drat realistic.

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 22, 2015

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

LORD OF BUTT posted:

Seriously, what is with all the hilarious character names in Gundam? The characters with relatively normal names are way outnumbered by the ones with absolute gibberish names or bizarre double entendres or both (looking at you Jamitov Hymen).

A lot of people don't speak more than one or two languages, which means most Japanese authors don't have a solid grasp of what constitutes a reasonable-sounding non-Japanese name, so they just pick something that sounds cool in Japanese. Also, on top of that, romanisation isn't exactly globally standardised so sometimes you'll get stuff that ends up looking really dumb in the Latin alphabet. This is why you get names like Four Vaginas and Full Frontal Nudity, Bright Noa, Fraw Bow or Casval Deikun, even if e.g. those last three can all be explained away in-setting as linguistic drift in a post-globalisation future that's several centuries ahead of us.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
I think the worst MSG79 dumb name for me is Bright Noa, who is constantly addressed as "Captain Bright," which suggests his last name should be Bright and his first name should be one letter off from being an actual English name.

The REAL Goobusters posted:

Thanks for the help guys! Gundam always seemed so daunting to watch because there's so much so I'll definitely start with these recs.

I'm going to go ahead and say that unless you really want to find out how the whole thing started or you have a high tolerance for 70s anime, I don't think there's much point in watching the Gundam 0079 films as someone who is only just getting into Gundam, as the animation is pretty bad.

Otherwise, go by the four recommendations in the OP: Iron-Blooded Orphans (separate continuity and so far fantastic), War in the Pocket (stands on its own as a good show and doesn't require prior knowledge of Universal Century stuff), Turn-A (separate continuity and by far the best long format Gundam show) and Build Fighters (a pretty good shonen battle show about people fighting with Gundam model kits in the "real" world, doesn't require any prior knowledge of Gundam to just look at the pretty fights, but you do get a lot of mileage out of being a Gundam fan before watching it).

If you do decide that you want to get into Universal Century Gundam, then yeah, go for the 0079 films as your starting point rather than the TV series.

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 22, 2015

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

closeted republican posted:

Why follow Char? Johnny Ridden had a way higher kill count. :smug:

Johnny Ridden isn't an insanely charismatic and manipulative madman, though.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
I want to know Anavel Cat's killcount after Konpei.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Ernie Muppari posted:

who the hell's johnny ridden?

Oldtype Zeon ace pilot from the MSV stuff who has an absurd kill count: http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Johnny_Ridden

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
I still want a MG or RG or PG of Rambal Ral's Zaku I, which is by default the coolest Zaku.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Yeah, but that's from 2000, we need a 2.0.

Anyway, my volume 3 of The Origin finally showed up after every other volume arrived, so I'm up way too late reading it. I also started The Plot to Assassinate Gihren Zabi today, and that's also pretty good.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
So I've finished The Plot to Assassinate Gihren, and it was great. I also liked the combat at the end, the tactics are creative.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
The Origin's Garma is definitely very gay for Char. :3:

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Kanos posted:

He's super bi in Origin since he's still got eyes for Icelina

Good point. It's me, the one practising bi erasure. Sorry. :(

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Yeah, this lines up pretty much 100% with my observations, having also watched both fairly recently. The only thing that's really missing from the films is the segment where Bright collapses from stress because it's pretty important in building up how out of his depth even he is.

I'm reading The Origin right now and it's essentially the manga version of the 0079 movies, except with some more historical details filled in. The one thing I don't really like is the early model Guntank, which shows up just so baby Char can be super good at piloting it and never gets explained in the backstory (unlike the Guncannon). The tonal shift between the White Base and pre-OYW Zeon parts of the manga is also weird (the WB part is deadly serious; the pre-OYW Zeon part has a lot of funny facial expressions, serious people doing goofy stuff, and slapstick comedy).

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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Kamille's fundamental problem with the Titans is that he's a loving teenager and they have the double-whammy of being a) government authorities that b) his parents work for. It's pure puerile rebellion against authority, at least at the very start of the first episode of Zeta.

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