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This pretty much got me to say something I never thought I'd ever say: "I really like Steve Jobs." Seriously, this is just filled with so many good loving lines. I loved this. The only problem is the last 5 minutes kicks in with the most saccharine inspirational indie rock music ever, which is absolutely moronic since the movie is absurdly cynical until the ending, where it switches gears. It's like Danny Boyle slept through the making of the whole movie and let Sorkin handle it, and then in the last five minutes he woke up and decided it was time to do it his way, and it's terrible. And it's absolutely infuriating because as far as I'm concerned the movie hadn't made a single misstep until that point. It's a completely unearned positive ending.
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so this movie just glosses over all those chinese workers killing themselves then?
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DetoxP posted:Seriously, this is just filled with so many good loving lines. I loved this. The only problem is the last 5 minutes kicks in with the most saccharine inspirational indie rock music ever, which is absolutely moronic since the movie is absurdly cynical until the ending, where it switches gears. It's like Danny Boyle slept through the making of the whole movie and let Sorkin handle it, and then in the last five minutes he woke up and decided it was time to do it his way, and it's terrible. And it's absolutely infuriating because as far as I'm concerned the movie hadn't made a single misstep until that point. It's a completely unearned positive ending.
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Nov 3, 2015 08:48
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The definitive version of the Steve Jobs story will be the one where he continues being an absolute oval office until the moment he dies and learns nothing.
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Nov 3, 2015 10:40
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I find it odd so many people are poo-pooing this movie because they hate Steve Jobs when this movie basically depicts him as an insufferable tool.
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DetoxP posted:I find it odd so many people are poo-pooing this movie because they hate Steve Jobs when this movie basically depicts him as an insufferable tool. Steve Jobs is the internet equivalent of Hillary Clinton - a character that's been portrayed as "the enemy" for so long that thoughtful discussion is quite impossible. For example, despite the film not covering the events of the iPhone, you get witty responses like: Stairmaster posted:so this movie just glosses over all those chinese workers killing themselves then?
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DetoxP posted:Seriously, this is just filled with so many good loving lines. I loved this. The only problem is the last 5 minutes kicks in with the most saccharine inspirational indie rock music ever, which is absolutely moronic since the movie is absurdly cynical until the ending, where it switches gears. It's like Danny Boyle slept through the making of the whole movie and let Sorkin handle it, and then in the last five minutes he woke up and decided it was time to do it his way, and it's terrible. And it's absolutely infuriating because as far as I'm concerned the movie hadn't made a single misstep until that point. It's a completely unearned positive ending. You hit the nail on the head. It felt like an ending for a completely different movie. I mean, poo poo, this guy is so wretched and awful to everyone around him and then if there was a moment of redemption in there, which I guess would be the intercut memories of his daughter flooding in, it's utterly anticlimactic and, as you say, unearned I found a lot to enjoy about this film, especially whenever it would go into Boyle's style-mode, but those moments almost seemed to contrast Sorkin's familiar hallway conversations. The coolest parts of this movie were the sequences with Jeff Daniels that jump through time and the narrative plunges forward rapidly but seamlessly. But maybe the reason they were at all interesting in the first place is that the movie was departing the rather dull (though beautifully composed) backstage setting the the majority of the story is told in. I don't know. I had an okay time but it wasn't anywhere near as good as The Social Network.
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Casimir Radon posted:The definitive version of the Steve Jobs story will be the one where he continues being an absolute oval office until the moment he dies and learns nothing. This. Who will be the one to make it?
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Nov 4, 2015 23:16
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Skull Knight posted:This. Who will be the one to make it? God already did, no need to improve upon it.
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Hilario Baldness posted:I liked it. Sharp dialogue. Fassbender and Daniels were good. Didn't care much for Rogen. Story got a little too clean and cliched at the very end, but it was still well done. Rogen was great!
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Nov 5, 2015 16:59
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bows1 posted:Rogen was great! Rogen is a legitimately good dramatic actor.
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Skull Knight posted:This. Who will be the one to make it? it should have ended with him in his hospital bed, emaciated and fading rapidly, wasting some of his extremely finite remaining moments on earth petulantly bitching out the doctor about how poorly his heart monitor finger sensor is designed. because that actually happened.
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mysterious frankie posted:it should have ended with him in his hospital bed, emaciated and fading rapidly, wasting some of his extremely finite remaining moments on earth petulantly bitching out the doctor about how poorly his heart monitor finger sensor is designed. because that actually happened. Oh wow. Oh wow.
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mysterious frankie posted:it should have ended with him in his hospital bed, emaciated and fading rapidly, wasting some of his extremely finite remaining moments on earth petulantly bitching out the doctor about how poorly his heart monitor finger sensor is designed. because that actually happened. And scene!
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mysterious frankie posted:it should have ended with him in his hospital bed, emaciated and fading rapidly, wasting some of his extremely finite remaining moments on earth petulantly bitching out the doctor about how poorly his heart monitor finger sensor is designed. because that actually happened. You can't end it like this... we need a link!
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Skull Knight posted:You can't end it like this... we need a link! Oh dang, well it was an anecdote in his biography, so I can't really link it. It was portrayed as a cute detail about ol' Steve, that irascible scamp who can't not quibble about aesthetics, but it came off as sad to me.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Rogen is a legitimately good dramatic actor. Yeah, Take this Waltz provided a fairly great example of this.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Rogen is a legitimately good dramatic actor. He killed it in 50/50.
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He's like a better Vince Vaughn.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:He's like a better Vince Vaughn. I think he has the capability to have a career similar to John C. Reilly. Only Rogen started primarily in comedy (unless you count Freaks and Geeks as drama) then transitioned to drama while Reilly did the opposite. Both do a variety of styles still, not wholly doing one but never shying away from being ridiculous.
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Rogen's a solid actor who's really hard to take seriously because all I associate with his distinctive voice is toilet humor.
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Breakfast All Day posted:Complaining about the factual inaccuracies in this is like complaining about Lawrence of Arabia creating a heroic epic at the expense of historical accuracy -- it's not that it doesn't care about actual events, it's that we all know them and it doesn't want to let facts get in the way of the truth in the myth. In this sense it's a perfectly natural choice for Fassbender given his character in The Movie That Shall Not Be Named. In the Lincoln movie, they had him fight vampires.....
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Aaron Sorkin discusses Steve Jobs. “I would say it’s not a biopic." http://deadline.com/2015/11/steve-jobs-aaron-sorkin-steve-jobs-facts-lies-1201613284/ quote:Steve Jobs screenwriter Aaron Sorkin took the stage at Deadline’s The Contenders event this morning, standing by the accuracy of his film and announcing, “I think there’s been some confusion about the movie.”
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I watched this movie and I thought it was good. Sorkin may be almost as polarizing a figure as Jobs, but I'll file this under "Good Sorkin" rather than "poo poo Sorkin". If I had to complain, I kind of felt like the film drifted in the end to redeeming Jobs too much. "At least he patched things up with his daughter and Jeff Daniels." I would have preferred Jobs being portrayed as an ambiguous figure like he was for most of the movie.
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Echo Chamber posted:If I had to complain, I kind of felt like the film drifted in the end to redeeming Jobs too much. "At least he patched things up with his daughter and Jeff Daniels." Yeah, that took me out a little bit, since Sculley and Jobs never met again after Jobs' ultimate ouster from Apple.
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I think I need to watch this again, since I'm not entirely sure what to make of the end of the movie. Right at the very end, he announces the iMac and seemingly goes to bring his daughter onstage...but the camera shifts to over Lisa's shoulder, and the the closer he walks to her, the more out of focus he gets, until he's just a smear of color. It's a very ambiguous note, and it has me wondering if this reconciliation was actually a "reconciliation" at all. Thinking about it a bit, it seems like the movie depicted Jobs as someone who was awful to be with in person, but everyone who drifted into his orbit was never able to pull away. We had Wozniak asking for Jobs to recognize that Apple II team despite the blatant futility of trying to wring an acknowledgement out of Jobs, and we had that whole mess with his not-girlfriend and not-daughter, where he didn't admit he was Lisa's father but kept giving Chrisann more money than she could ever earn by herself, and the two kept floating through his life for years afterward. No wonder he was pissed she sold the house; she finally broke free of him.
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In its third week of release, the movie has gone from 2,411 screens to just 339. Ouch.
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All the trailers looked bad IMO. And the Ashton Kutcher version that came out earlier poisoned everything. With a different cast this could have been direct to DVD Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Fifthng Frank, a beautiful movie (slightly biased because I guest as a blurry shadow audience member at the first gig disaster scene). Everyone should watch everything by Lenny Abrahamson, especially Room, which I guess is out now in major US cities?
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DetoxP posted:This pretty much got me to say something I never thought I'd ever say: "I really like Steve Jobs." Wasn't that kind of the whole point to the movie? Like how could this not have a totally out-of-place saccharine ending?
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I don't think the ending was too bad. He finds a small bit of closure yes, but it doesn't redeem anything that came before. I think that ultimately the movie argues that Jobs was above all Human. Petty, vindictive but human. I do think it's interesting that what really forces the reconciliation is the idea that someone else was going to pay her tuition. Also, Sorkin's script is legally available online. Boyle cut a few interesting lines, particularly with Woz and Jobs in the garage where Jobs outlines his ethos for Apple.
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drat this movie bombed. Welp bye
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oldpainless posted:drat this movie bombed. Lauren Powel Jobs can probably afford to kill 2-3 movies if she really wanted to.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:58
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I enjoyed it but Sorkin can do no wrong in my eyes.
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willie_dee posted:I enjoyed it but Sorkin can do no wrong in my eyes. Pretty much right there with you. I understand the criticisms, but for some reason that dialogue is just something I really enjoy.
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wdarkk posted:Lauren Powel Jobs can probably afford to kill 2-3 movies if she really wanted to. Are you saying a good chunk of people really wanted to see the movie but she managed to keep them from doing so?
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oldpainless posted:Are you saying a good chunk of people really wanted to see the movie but she managed to keep them from doing so? It's a joke, based on the fact that she called up people to ask them to not be in/make the movie.
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I'm a big Winslet fan but I thought she was pretty weak in this. I didn't realise that she was meant to have an accent in the first part (did she? or does it just develop when they change camera?) and then when it hits it's bad, clearly distracting her from actually acting. It's remarkable that she might win the Oscar for this. The movie is otherwise decent. The script is expectedly strong in the moment, but lacks any clear purpose. Boyle seemed happy to just shoot the thing, when it probably needed a Fincher to fight back against it a bit.
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