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Doctor_Acula
May 24, 2011
I'm really liking this game, but I don't seem to be very good at it. I keep losing fairly quickly. I must be missing some nuance, since I don't think I'm *that* bad at strategy. Or I'm just getting garbage specialists. Any tips would be helpful. I'd be up for a game if any are starting up.

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Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

Doctor_Acula posted:

I'm really liking this game, but I don't seem to be very good at it. I keep losing fairly quickly. I must be missing some nuance, since I don't think I'm *that* bad at strategy. Or I'm just getting garbage specialists. Any tips would be helpful. I'd be up for a game if any are starting up.

It's important to use diplomancy with your neighbours from day one, and personally i think you should let the specialist options you are handed dictate how you play your game, eg if you get lots off offensive specialists be offensive etc.

We have a game that is probably going to end in 35hours (unless everyone gangs up on pink, come on guys!) maybe we can start a new one afterwards.

Trinexx
Aug 31, 2007

Ask me about time-shares at scenic Turtle Rock!
For the most part the social aspect to the game is the most important thing to prevent you from dying. Always try and talk with your neighbors to work out deals for outposts and if you decide to go on the offensive that you don't try and spread yourself out too thin.

As for specialists generally you can make something work if you keep an eye out for good combos such as navigator/pirate, princess/sentry, thief/engineer, diplomat/general, speed specialist/inspector/queen king/king/king and the like. Depending on what I draw I will change my play style accordingly.

Also always take smugglers because drat I love having the speed to shuffle things around. I'd almost argue they are more valuable to me than Tycoons.

Trinexx fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Nov 22, 2015

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Finished our latest goon game. Was a good run, and very close!

I managed to squeek out first place even though Trinexx was something like 30 minutes from winning right after me. I was surprised you managed to grow so big so fast

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

A decent game indeed, would anyone be interested in another?

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
I would be. I don't mind always having one on the go

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

Maybe be could make it public in order to get 10 players?

Geektox
Aug 1, 2012

Good people don't rip other people's arms off.
I wouldn't mind getting in on a game but it'd be my first one.

Also I can't for the life of me figure out the "Winning 2" puzzle. I think I have to grab all the outposts but I just can't figure it out.

Trinexx
Aug 31, 2007

Ask me about time-shares at scenic Turtle Rock!

DarkAvenger211 posted:

Finished our latest goon game. Was a good run, and very close!

I managed to squeek out first place even though Trinexx was something like 30 minutes from winning right after me. I was surprised you managed to grow so big so fast

I think the gap was closer to 1.5 hours. I waited too long to try to try and gain that time on you.

But yeah... my growth in that game was a series of lucky circumstance. After I could see that my counter-attack on you was going to stall-out I just gathered everything and decided to push into Rather's territory. I didn't know this until after the game ended but Rather was dedicating a lot of resources into taking over Montvalo's mine and thus he had no forces to stop my attack. Also with the Engineer and the Hypnotist I had that stole 2 additional hypnotists from Rather and Engineerharry I had an amazingly efficient fighting force when I had the 3 Kings.

There was idea I had briefly considered: To gift someone a King as an offensive maneuver since it seemed EVERYONE had stupid amounts of shields this game. There is a high chance of it backfiring but it was an amusing thought.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Yea, the specialist choices I had early on made it pretty clear I'd be playing defensively - I was really annoyed I made a stupid move that let EngineerHarry steal one of my Inspectors, otherwise I could have attacked somebody and immediately gotten a +20 boost on anything I took thanks to my 2 security chiefs. As it was I made peace with everybody near me and never got strong enough to be able to benefit from betrayal. Less frantic (for me) than some games but lots of fun as always :)

Golluk
Oct 22, 2008
I'm in if a new goon game is starting. Would be my first game as well.

What info do you need to invite?

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
I'll look at starting up one tonight, I'll probably make it public though just so we can get 10 people. When I do I'll post the link here and you just need to go to it on your phone.

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

Is this game starting tonight? Just checking before I join another.

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Sorry for the delay's there guys, I was busy the past few days. I've opened a game up now though. Here it is:

http://subterfuge-game.com/play.php?22890-0

Join quickly before it fills, it is a public game this time. Post here if you do just so we can keep this thread visible for anyone else who wants to join.

anchorite
Sep 22, 2009
Joined the game as Anchorite.

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Jeez that filled up fast. I wish there was a way to make a private game public after everyone's joined.

But it looks like we got 4 or so goons total.

Trinexx
Aug 31, 2007

Ask me about time-shares at scenic Turtle Rock!
I opted out of joining the game this time since I am expecting to be fairly busy for the next few days at least.

However since I'm a nerd, loser, and like fiddling around with spreadsheets... I have created one for when my games come close to ending to get a good idea of what the medal standings would be. I've been using it for a few games and I spent some time this morning cleaning it up and make it a little bit more user friendly and figured I'd share it here: Subterfuge Standings Calculator.

If you'd want to use it, make a copy for yourself and go nuts. Its definitely not the cleanest (it might break in weird ways with a "0" for mining rate) but it worked for me. The bolded, white, bordered, boxes are meant to be filled with the game data to give you a general idea of how the game would end. I also added two iterations of simple if-then changes to mining rate some hours ahead that might be useful for questions like "Can I steal second place if I build a mine 10hours ahead and the other guy builds another 20 hours ahead?".

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Any games still open? I'm ACTUALLY going to try and learn how to play properly.

Malt
Jan 5, 2013
Two days into this public game we started and a guy I never attacked is sending every unit from every base at me along with another person I haven't attacked gifting him his units to add to the attack. Super fun.

Edit: And now a third guy is quitting and gifting all his units to a single person and lowering his shields to zero. Is this normal for public games?

Malt fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Dec 1, 2015

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

Malt posted:

Two days into this public game we started and a guy I never attacked is sending every unit from every base at me along with another person I haven't attacked gifting him his units to add to the attack. Super fun.

Edit: And now a third guy is quitting and gifting all his units to a single person and lowering his shields to zero. Is this normal for public games?

Yes it's normal for every game public or not. Don't expect everyone anyone to be your friend. I myself have found myself surrounded by people who all seem to want me out the game asap, probably because i've been busy and haven't done much diplomacy this game.

jubelio
Dec 10, 2003
if you can balance a tac-hammer on your head, you can head off your opponent with a balanced attack

Ghetto Blaster posted:

Yes it's normal for every game public or not. Don't expect everyone anyone to be your friend. I myself have found myself surrounded by people who all seem to want me out the game asap, probably because i've been busy and haven't done much diplomacy this game.

yeah, you almost always want to keep an open dialogue with your direct neighbors even if it's something as simple as, "hi, not going to attack you, I am going to be pushing towards (other person/direction)"

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Well that game was over quick. I saw malt getting bulldozed by 3 other players. I just kind of took the lead and no one attacked me and I won. So I'm gonna open another one soon in case people are interested.

Trinexx
Aug 31, 2007

Ask me about time-shares at scenic Turtle Rock!
When you post the new have I'll join up... assuming it doesn't fill with pubs first.

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Will post here as soon as I do

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Started another game:

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsubterfuge-game.com%2Fplay.php%3F25281-0&h=rAQEln4P_&s=1

I realized I can now invite players from previous games. So I've invited a few of you that played in our last games. If I missed anyone sorry (I can't remember everyone's usernames), you can still join by clicking this link. It's open to the public so join in as soon as you can before it fills

Carsius
May 7, 2013

This game looks pretty interesting, but the video tutorials seem pretty vague. I guess it's worth a shot.

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

Carsius posted:

This game looks pretty interesting, but the video tutorials seem pretty vague. I guess it's worth a shot.

If you go to the subterfuge forum and watch a game commentary video it's a good way of figuring out how the game is played.

Here is one: http://forums.subterfuge-game.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1321&sid=4355b6ce0707581da9da3f2c605ad31d

monkeu
Jun 1, 2000

by Reene

Feenix posted:

I still don't really "get" the first loving thing about this game.
It may just not be for me.
:/

Hahahhaahah never could a game of this type get a stronger endorsement.

This game is amazing. I just started playing it a couple of days ago and I already have a bunch of mates playing it.

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

The new update is pretty goood too, it allows annoymous games, so no usernames and no looking at peoples records. Which is good because it stops the best players getting together and making GBS threads on the newbies.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Haven't tried a domination style game yet, thought I'd give it a go - come fight me!

kontona
May 3, 2003

Anybody still play this game?

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

kontona posted:

Anybody still play this game?
I do! I'm taking a break at the moment because I just finished a pretty gruelling game with some goons over in the iOS board game thread, but I'm sure I'll be looking for another match before long.

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Trinexx
Aug 31, 2007

Ask me about time-shares at scenic Turtle Rock!
I haven't played in a while due to constant travel but if another game opens up Ill be interested in joining.

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