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 Spectre Directed by Sam Mendes Written by John Logan, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, and Jez Butterworth. Based on characters from the book series written by Ian Fleming Release Date: October 26th in the U.K., November 6th in the U.S. Official Website | IMDb | Facebook | James Bond on Twitter | Wikipedia | Rotten Tomatoes SA Bond Thread run by yours truly Spectre is the 24th (official) movie in the James Bond film franchise. It sees the return of Daniel Craig as James Bond for his 4th outing, as well as Sam Mendes returning for his 2nd (and likely last) time directing the series. Based on the title, one other big facet of James Bond lore is returning this time around. I won't get into plot at all in the OP, for fear of spoilers (every synopsis I've found had at least some semi-large spoilers), but I do want to give some background info on the title. Background SPECTRE was an organization first mentioned in the novel Thunderball, and stands for Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion, because apparently it's creators don't understand how acronyms work. It would go on to be the enemy of several Sean Connery Bond films (Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, and Diamonds Are Forever) as well as George Lazenby's single Bond film (On Her Majesty's Secret Service). Essentially the main recurring villain of the Bond franchise in it's early days, and headed by by Ernst Blofeld (basically, think Dr. Evil). However, due to the initial script for Thunderball, which the book was based on, being written by Kevin McClory, SPECTRE had been locked in a messy copyright dispute for decades. This lead to McClory being allowed to remake Thunderball as the unofficial James Bond movie Never Say Never Again (actually starring Sean Connery). This also meant the official Eon Bond movies were not allowed to use the organization SPECTRE or it's leader, Blofeld. In November, 2013 MGM and the McClory estate formally settled the issue with Danjaq, LLC—the parent company of Eon Productions—with MGM acquiring the full copyright film rights to the concept of SPECTRE and all of the characters associated with it. So we're good to go moving forward, and the title certainly seems to reveal that the organization, as the very least, has returned. Cast Daniel Craig as James Bond  Christoph Waltz as Oberhauser  Léa Seydoux as Madeline Swann  Ralph Fiennes as M  Monica Bellucci as Lucia  Ben Winshaw as Q  Naomi Harris as Moneypenny  Dave Bautista as Hinx  Andrew Scott as Denbigh  Jesper Christensen as Mr. White  Video Teaser 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ashLaclKCik Teaser 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KBZcW4Hw9Q Trailer 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDaET-JweU Trailer 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_48wELLSM TV Spot 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WJ8WxCA-fA TV Spot 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3jVU1k2rnk Writing's On the Wall Music Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzDnsjYv9A Screenshots                
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Is that supposed to be Baron Samedi?
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Oct 23, 2015 00:54
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I had a dream where I was watching Spectre and it had an extended boat chase on Lake Geneva, a scene where Bond and Swann are being held at a seafood restaurant and given their choice of what kind of sea critter will swarm them to death (Bond chooses crabs), and Writing's on the Wall is actually the end credits theme and the intro credits are an homage to OHMSS's intro credits with an instrumental song in the same style, except the song is also a diegetic tune played by Oberhauser on a piano, and Oberhauser calls it his "Naughty Song."
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Oct 23, 2015 06:15
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Antti posted:I had a dream where I was watching Spectre and it had an extended boat chase on Lake Geneva, a scene where Bond and Swann are being held at a seafood restaurant and given their choice of what kind of sea critter will swarm them to death (Bond chooses crabs), and Writing's on the Wall is actually the end credits theme and the intro credits are an homage to OHMSS's intro credits with an instrumental song in the same style, except the song is also a diegetic tune played by Oberhauser on a piano, and Oberhauser calls it his "Naughty Song." same
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Oct 23, 2015 07:36
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Antti posted:I had a dream where I was watching Spectre and it had an extended boat chase on Lake Geneva, a scene where Bond and Swann are being held at a seafood restaurant and given their choice of what kind of sea critter will swarm them to death (Bond chooses crabs), and Writing's on the Wall is actually the end credits theme and the intro credits are an homage to OHMSS's intro credits with an instrumental song in the same style, except the song is also a diegetic tune played by Oberhauser on a piano, and Oberhauser calls it his "Naughty Song." This sounds loving awesome and probably better than what we're actually gonna get
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Oct 23, 2015 07:45
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Baron Porkface posted:Is that supposed to be Baron Samedi? It's clearly taking visual cues from him, or at least Live and Let Die, but the trailers really scream On Her Majesty's Secret Service, to me. Which would be great. But if that snowy complex turns out to be an allergy clinic, I swear to God...
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Oct 23, 2015 13:03
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Of course I'm going to see this but I am a bit worried. The Sony leaks showed that the execs were worried about the last third or so. Hopefully they fixed it. And more Mr. White is a good thing!
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Oct 24, 2015 00:05
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I had a dream I was Bond in this movie infiltrating a Dracula-like Gothic castle which was Bloefeldt's base of operations. It turned out Bloefeldt was just a lonely man with no friends who lived alone in the castle, and once we understood one another my companionship thawed his icy heart and he cancelled his master plan (to drop a nuclear device in downtown San Francisco). But just as things were going well Team America: World Police crashed into the castle in their mobile command unit and were caught by Bloefeldt, and the plan was back on. Thankfully, just as the nuke was set to go off it was beamed away by a passing starship in the atmosphere. The film ended with me walking down the street of oblivious downtown San Francisco (a knockoff of the final shot of Silence of the Lambs) while several homosexual bohemian street performers practiced song and dance routines.
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Oct 24, 2015 00:44
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All I remember about this are leaks from a while back revealing that production was a disaster or something, so my hopes aren't super high.
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Oct 24, 2015 01:03
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Fuligin posted:All I remember about this are leaks from a while back revealing that production was a disaster or something, so my hopes aren't super high. So it's a Craig Bond film.
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Oct 24, 2015 01:09
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Have they all been shitshows behind the scenes? I'm not really up on Bond. In general I've enjoyed the Craig movies a lot more than the Brosnan ones that were coming out as I grew up.
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Oct 24, 2015 01:21
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Fuligin posted:Have they all been shitshows behind the scenes? I'm not really up on Bond. In general I've enjoyed the Craig movies a lot more than the Brosnan ones that were coming out as I grew up. Mostly stuff like stuntman injuries or deaths, but Quantum of Solace was made during the Writer's Strike. The script was completed just 2 hours before the strike officially began and Craig had to help rewrite it as they went; the actors basically made up their exact dialogue the day of filming.
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Oct 24, 2015 01:48
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Jose Oquendo posted:Of course I'm going to see this but I am a bit worried. The Sony leaks showed that the execs were worried about the last third or so. Hopefully they fixed it. From early reviews it seems they have definitely not fixed it (surprise).
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Oct 24, 2015 02:09
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Can someone give me a quick rundown of what the anticipated problems with this film are? I haven't been following it at all and am currently expecting to be able to watch a fun James Bond film.
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Oct 24, 2015 04:32
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chitoryu12 posted:Mostly stuff like stuntman injuries or deaths, but Quantum of Solace was made during the Writer's Strike. The script was completed just 2 hours before the strike officially began and Craig had to help rewrite it as they went; the actors basically made up their exact dialogue the day of filming. That sounds kind of cool.
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Oct 24, 2015 04:37
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Can someone give me a quick rundown of what the anticipated problems with this film are? I haven't been following it at all and am currently expecting to be able to watch a fun James Bond film. http://defamer.gawker.com/new-bond-script-leaks-execs-scrambling-to-fix-awful-en-1670479885
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Oct 24, 2015 05:21
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Jose Oquendo posted:http://defamer.gawker.com/new-bond-script-leaks-execs-scrambling-to-fix-awful-en-1670479885 Sounds like exactly what I feared: starts off strong, ends with a hamfisted intro to the real Bad Guy to End All Bad Guys who isn't given nearly enough time to set up his motivations, and then gets himself killed immediately.
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Oct 24, 2015 05:32
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I loved Skyfall and I'm really excited for this, I had no idea that Mr. White would be in it and that pleases me, since I liked the character from Casino Royale and yes even in Quantum of Solace.
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Oct 24, 2015 11:02
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quote:(Our read is that it's about as good as the last couple Bond movies, which is to say: Not very.) Sony's a superfund site of moviemaking disasters but even then I can't trust anything that grinds an axe that loudly. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 20:59
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I stopped reading atbroken clock opsec posted:I stopped reading at
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Oct 24, 2015 21:06
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I really liked skyfall too and I'm curious to see what horrible misogynistic bullshit will be in this one! That was really the only thing that bothered me about skyfall, really.
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Oct 24, 2015 22:03
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It sounds like there might be a little too many hands in the pot, but on the other hand it's kind of reassuring to see industry folks really take the script seriously. EDIT: Hahaha, I don't care what that article says, "I'm Mickey Mouse, rear end in a top hat," could be an AMAZING line. lizardman fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 22:53
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What's the consensus on Casino Royale? I remember liking it a lot (haven't cared for the other Craig films), but it's been years.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:01
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lizardman posted:EDIT: Hahaha, I don't care what that article says, "I'm Mickey Mouse, rear end in a top hat," could be an AMAZING line. I'll ask for a refund if it's not in the final cut.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:16
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You could write a whole action movie around that line.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:19
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anatomi posted:What's the consensus on Casino Royale? I remember liking it a lot (haven't cared for the other Craig films), but it's been years. Casino Royale was the only one I loved. It is probably Craig's best.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:35
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Casino Royale is the best of all of them by like a country mile, with probably From Russia With Love in 2nd. Trouble is you can only really do that story once, and they haven't figured out what to do with Craig since then. Skyfall was almost a 2nd reboot, and they're in a weird place where they want to be modern while pandering to the nostalgia of the series. Personally, I think for the next run of movies, they should just set it in the 60s and make all of them period pieces, since that era is way more interesting for a spy movie.
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I really like Casino Royale up until the Venice scenes, at which point it starts to draaaaaag. Then the scene at Mr. White's villa is dope again.
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I seem to be in the minority in thinking Skyfall was rubbish. The thing didn't hang together in any way, and a lot of the dialogue and photography was so generic as to be genuinely painful to watch. I think this scene sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIaauiVU4To (why the gently caress are they using hand-held shakey-cam in this scene?? They don't use it anywhere else in the film that I can remember. Also, why did Bond turn into a drunk hobo when he got shot, in the first place? Also, why... did they shoot him..... argh.) I think it's just because Casino Royale managed to be both a great film and a Bond film, for once. No cooincidence it was directed by Martin Campbell, whose strangely small repertoire includes the other good Bond, Goldeneye. If they've managed to recapture a hint of that magic (i.e. not completely half-arsed film making) in SPECTRE then it should be worth seeing.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:23
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anatomi posted:What's the consensus on Casino Royale? I remember liking it a lot (haven't cared for the other Craig films), but it's been years. It's my favorite Bond movie. Doing a watch through of the whole series recently did nothing to change that.
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El Grillo posted:I seem to be in the minority in thinking Skyfall was rubbish. The thing didn't hang together in any way, and a lot of the dialogue and photography was so generic as to be genuinely painful to watch. I think this scene sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIaauiVU4To (why the gently caress are they using hand-held shakey-cam in this scene?? They don't use it anywhere else in the film that I can remember. Also, why did Bond turn into a drunk hobo when he got shot, in the first place? Also, why... did they shoot him..... argh.) I don't think it was rubbish but it was kind of dull to me in a way where I have no desire to see it again. I think it is possibly the final act which while Skyfall had some significance for Bond, just bored me to tears.
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Oct 25, 2015 15:44
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Skyfall is really good for 10 minutes. I'll never understand putting the best action scene at the start.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:38
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Skyfall was an average film, a good Bond movie, and an exceptional Home Alone movie.
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Baron Porkface posted:Is that supposed to be Baron Samedi? No. It's supposed to be a "catrín", a very popular costume during Day of the Dead that has from little to nothing to do with Haitian folklore and more with the mixture of Catholicism and Mexican culture. And more in topic, I'm sort of curious about Andrew Scott's role.
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hemale in pain posted:Skyfall is really good for 10 minutes. I'll never understand putting the best action scene at the start. I would extend that to say it's great for about an hour. As soon as the villain is introduced, the movie falls apart and becomes a bad Dark Knight knock off. Skyfall is frustrating in that most of the scenes are really good individually (including the awesome low-key finale), and its the best looking entry in the series, but the story, villain, and bond girls really suck.
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El Grillo posted:I seem to be in the minority in thinking Skyfall was rubbish. The thing didn't hang together in any way, and a lot of the dialogue and photography was so generic as to be genuinely painful to watch. I think this scene sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIaauiVU4To (why the gently caress are they using hand-held shakey-cam in this scene?? They don't use it anywhere else in the film that I can remember. Also, why did Bond turn into a drunk hobo when he got shot, in the first place? Also, why... did they shoot him..... argh.) Yeah, both Goldeneye and Casino Royale are really energetic and fresh, whereas Skyfall looks nice (obligatory Deakins mention) but is kind of boring and the action was just going through the motions. Based on the Spectre trailers, the leaked script and every interview Craig has given, it just seems this film will have all the same bad elements of Skyfall times ten. It feels like it's forced into existence and no one is having fun, it looks lifeless somehow. Even the cinematography has that dour and drab vibe which is just nasty to look at. "Let's go film at the Day of the dead parade which is one of the most colorful things imaginable but let's put some ugly brown-yellowish tint all over it so it won't look fun at all." Sam Mendes is a good director but I don't really feel the Bond-excitement when watching Skyfall or the trailers for Spectre. I'll see the movie of course but I'm expecting a joyless mess.
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I just don't think the whole "I was secretly the ultimate villain behind everything" plot will ever work without a ton of buildup. One movie is nowhere near enough, unless there were actually hints throughout all the prior films as to the mastermind behind it all and everything was planned from the start. There's virtually no way to make that kind of "ultimate evil" plot seem anything but hacked together without lots of work. Making it up on the spot when you need another movie isn't that kind of work.
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User-Friendly posted:I really like Casino Royale up until the Venice scenes, at which point it starts to draaaaaag. Then the scene at Mr. White's villa is dope again. I agree with this, the Venice scenes get harder and harder to watch every time I go back to Casino Royale, at least up until the big action finale (which is super effective). Casino Royale still one of the top all time Bonds though. It's surprising to me that Skyfall is so reviled? None of the criticism seems unfair, I just always thought the consensus was that everyone loved it.
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El Grillo posted:I seem to be in the minority in thinking Skyfall was rubbish.
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Payndz posted:Not exactly a "men want to be him" figure! This is a good thing though. James Bond is a oval office. The Craig films realise that.
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