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Nov 6, 2015 03:50
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If Craig comes back I expect the opening scene to be taken from on her majesties secret service. The shot of them driving away works as either an ending to the Craig bond, or revenge time.
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Nov 6, 2015 06:47
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I enjoyed it and thought that for a change the 3rd act was stronger than usual. I agree its a lot of the Tangiers stuff that drags. I feel like the feedback is this misconception that 'It was me James, all along" is a literal boast and not just more mind loving by Blofeld. Yes, Specter has been keeping tabs on James and crossing paths but they're building a shadow intelligence gathering organization and they've used some of the exploits to seem more omniscient that they always were. Yes they have their fingers into a lot more of the Craig Era than we were giving them credit for but given that we all suspected that Quantum would end up either morphing into or being ret-conned into Specter seemed about right.
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Nov 6, 2015 07:28
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Well that was fairly disappointing after Skyfall  Is it just me or was that a low stakes movie? It seemed like every situation Bond was in, he either wasn't in as much danger as he'd been in before or he was but he was able to escape it much easier than he should've been able to. At least it was pretty. Although I saw it in IMAX and I don't think the aspect ratio ever changed during certain scenes to take advantage of the full size of the screen, so maybe the projectionist was loving up and showed the wrong version? I don't know, but it still looked pretty.
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Nov 6, 2015 08:42
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Like many others, I felt the movie started out strong but quickly went downhill, and the ending just makes no sense whatsoever. First of all, shouldn't all the good guys be in jail at the end? At the time M and Q kill C and Bond downs a helicopter over London, they've all been fired and are no longer licensed to do anything at all. Basically, two rogue agents broke into a government building, killed a high-ranking government official, and sabotaged a perfectly legal anti-terror program. Then a third rogue agent shut down a helicopter, recklessly endangering civilians, and being guilty of attempted murder at the very least. Clearly these people are dangerous terrorists! Also, speaking of the surveillance program, they never actually did anything to stop that, did they? Stopping the countdown is treated like it's of utmost importance, but what difference does it make? Those nine countries already voted to combine their intelligence networks. It's not like they're going to abandon the project just because they missed launch day. I guess now they can remove Spectre's backdoor into the system, but the whole global surveillance network is presumably still going to be a thing. Basically, all the good guys accomplished is to prevent Spectre from using surveillance data for... um... more effective human trafficking, I guess? Even that assumes that the government is willing to take the word of a bunch of rogue agents for all of this.
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Nov 6, 2015 10:11
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thrawn527 posted:That is a super interesting selection of movies. I guess you joined in when Quantum came out, but I'm curious how Man with the Golden Gun ended up being the one classic you've seen. My ex loved Bond so I saw the two films that came out while we were together. And I'm a big Christopher Lee fan so I've seen everything he's in.
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Nov 6, 2015 10:55
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Paragon8 posted:Agreed. The train fight was great and Bautista was brilliant. The logic behind the train fight happening there and then however was a bit puzzling. I loved the trainfight and how brutal it was. The problem I had with it is that Bond didn't even have a small bruise after everything was over even after he was literally grovelling helplessly at Bautistas feet. I get that he's supposed to a clean hero, but it just felt like a bit too much compared to usual.
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Nov 6, 2015 11:25
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SimonChris posted:Like many others, I felt the movie started out strong but quickly went downhill, and the ending just makes no sense whatsoever. As silly as it is to talk realism in a bond movie The nine-eyes coalition seemed like a weird collection of countries. There's no way a western country would share intelligence data with China. What's South Africa doing there? It seemed like pretty awkward commentary to ride on the coattails of the Snowden revelations. It's a good space to explore that but it got handled really awkwardly here. Christophe Waltz was a huge disappointment as Blofeld to me. Andrew Scott and him might as well have been main villains in different movies. Waltz seemed disinterested in anything other than revenge which didn't really work to show him as the head of a competent criminal organisation. If he's such a puppet master of Bond why do his underlings keep coming really close to killing Bond?" Darth TNT posted:I loved the trainfight and how brutal it was. The problem I had with it is that Bond didn't even have a small bruise after everything was over even after he was literally grovelling helplessly at Bautistas feet. It would have been nice to see more of Bautista when he wasn't driving. The physicality he brought to the role was spot on but yeah it's hard to show the aftermath of a realistic fist fight without Bond being in hospital or severely limited for the rest of the movie.
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Nov 6, 2015 11:37
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The Snowden stuff just feels so sort of slapdash. It really does feel like an early draft, before anything has been ironed out. And there's what, 4 credited writers on it? It's a quasi-remake of INTO DARKNESS and makes the exact same mistake: Their big reveal falls absolutely flat.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Well that was fairly disappointing after Skyfall Saw it last night and this was exactly my take. At no point did I feel like Blofeld was remotely as much a threat to James as Silva and Batista's Not-Oddjob was completely wasted. The opening Mexico stuff was great and set a great tone that the rest of the movie didn't live up to for me at all. No big surprises, and all the climactic moments miss the mark. SimonChris posted:
This as well. The Nine Eyes system was a giant case of 'tell me don't show me'. We're told all along how devastating it is but even M's protests against it seem weak, and then it only takes a few keystrokes to wipe it out. flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 14:38
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Paragon8 posted:As silly as it is to talk realism in a bond movie The nine-eyes coalition seemed like a weird collection of countries. There's no way a western country would share intelligence data with China. What's South Africa doing there? It seemed like pretty awkward commentary to ride on the coattails of the Snowden revelations. It's a good space to explore that but it got handled really awkwardly here. Britain is literally buddying up with China on intelligence and infrastructure right now. We're even letting them build our nuclear power stations. I think the film's pretty on point in showing modern geopolitics as based around commercial and class divisions rather than ideological or nationalist ones.
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Nov 6, 2015 14:53
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Britain is literally buddying up with China on intelligence and infrastructure right now. We're even letting them build our nuclear power stations. That's a fair point, and there was some controversy with major data infrastructure going to a Chinese company too? I think they could have done more with the scheme to access shared intelligence and have the overarching danger be stopping a terrorist attack designed to influence a government into signing on to the program. Rather than have the South Africa bombing happen off screen while Bond is committed to his personal revenge they could have a big set piece where Bond has to stop Hinx from setting something off or doing something nefarious. Q stopping a countdown in a bland office building doesn't quite have the gravitas it could have. It contributes to the discordant feel of having two barely connecting plots. Aside from a line of dialogue we don't really seen any links between C and Spectre. I think there's a lot of room to explore a character who genuinely feels that nine eyes is the best shot for world security and is being manipulated through that, maybe give him some redemption towards the end when he realises who's pulling the strings. Or a character who is trying to wrest control of Spectre while Blofeld pisses about killing whoever sleeps with Bond. Blofeld just sort of seems like an out of touch CEO leaving the day to day operations to underlings while he indulges in personal business. Just so much missed potential really.
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Nov 6, 2015 15:40
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I'm pretty sure none of the countries would continue with the go ahead for the surveillance program after Bond and M expose the fact that Spectre was trying to piggy-back the whole project and was behind all the terrorist attacks that pushed countries into voting yes to it. Also I thought it was kind of obvious that the Supervillian Club having unrestricted access to 9 countries entire security and intelligence programs was A Bad Thing.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:25
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Britain is literally buddying up with China on intelligence and infrastructure right now. I've never heard of the UK sharing intelligence with China.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:20
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Paragon8 posted:As silly as it is to talk realism in a bond movie The nine-eyes coalition seemed like a weird collection of countries. There's no way a western country would share intelligence data with China. What's South Africa doing there? It seemed like pretty awkward commentary to ride on the coattails of the Snowden revelations. It's a good space to explore that but it got handled really awkwardly here. For what it's worth, there actually is an intelligence sharing (read: espionage/surveillance) alliance called Five Eyes, between the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Wikipedia posted:In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another's citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:29
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They really should've done away with the UK plot, set up Africa as the finale, and add in a failed attempt to stop the South Africa bombing to raise the stakes. Some parts of this movie seemed like Classic Bond, with the scar over one eye and the pussy. I like Craig's version more than any other. As with the other posters of this thread, it was good until the ridiculous base explosion. I get that you need to show off Christoph Waltz's acting chops, but you don't need to get rid of a set after one scene. Especially when the MI6 sequence was just a dumb retread of what was already revealed at the Africa base.
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Nov 7, 2015 03:25
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Spectre was mediocre. It looked great though; cinematography, scenic shots, etc. I didn't like the pacing of the movie. There was also way too much slapstick humor, especially in the beginning. The ending was underwhelming too. Seriously, building explosion and Blofeld surviving? Not to mention it was a handgun that brought his helicopter down? LOL. Craig is contracted for one more bond film, and it's pretty obvious that they're going to bring back Blofeld for the final film, which sucks. It was a disjointed mess, but it still looked great nonetheless.
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Nov 7, 2015 04:56
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Also, the song during the opening title credits was a total  moment.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:02
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Really everything except the script was really well done. The CGI in the opening sequence stuck out like a sore thumb, you could tell it was Daniel Craig jumping around green screen set, but the way he makes it look effortless is classic bond to me.
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Nov 7, 2015 06:23
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Visually, this movie is a huge step down from Skyfall. It lacks that arty edge that made that film stand out. Everything in this felt rushed and not as neatly composed. Wish we got Roger Deakins back.
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CelticPredator posted:Visually, this movie is a huge step down from Skyfall. It lacks that arty edge that made that film stand out. Everything in this felt rushed and not as neatly composed.
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Nov 7, 2015 06:39
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I liked the one take, and that shot you're talking about...but ehh. It looked so murky and muddled. Everything was poo poo colored, except the snowy alps, which looked nice.
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Nov 7, 2015 06:40
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That sucks to hear because the DoP is one of my favourites. He shot Let the Right One In, the 2011 Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (one of the most beautiful films of this decade imo), Her, and Interstellar.
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Nov 7, 2015 07:01
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Those movies look amazing. I'm not sure what the deal was. It seemed like everyone was in a rush and they were just pointing the camera at things, and filling rooms up with smoke. It's a very, very smokey movie. I can't think of any shot that stands out as much as the Jellyfish fight, or Bond riding up to the casino.
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Nov 7, 2015 07:12
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I liked it ok. I didn't like Moneypenny calling bond 'sir', because she has experience as a field agent. I feel she is a peer, albeit less senior. I watched Skyfall last night, and while I appreciated the touch that messages to M referenced Dia des Muertos, how did Spectre know M would leave a message for Bond to follow a guy who would be having a meeting in Mexico around that time? Also, to folks wondering how Spectre knew to send a car for Bond at the desert train station, it is implied that Spectre is tracking Bond's smartblood. And I'm all for a pared back MI6/MI5. Rely less on gadgets and more on a resourceful Bond, like the detective work in Dr. No. Whatever, it has flaws, but it was a fun romp and better than a dozen other Bond films.
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Nov 7, 2015 07:30
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CharlieWhiskey posted:I liked it ok. Didn't he say he got it shortly after her death, and he's been tracking down the guy for months? I remember it being if not outright stated, at least implied As for me, I really liked it. I go to IMAX theatres purely for the sound system, and the explosions in this movie just felt amazing. Shaking seats and all. 
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Didn't he say he got it shortly after her death, and he's been tracking down the guy for months? I remember it being if not outright stated, at least implied Yeah he did say that in the scene with Moneypenny in his amazingly furnished apartment. CharlieWhiskey posted:I liked it ok. I saw it as a British thing.
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Nov 7, 2015 07:45
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Escobarbarian posted:That sucks to hear because the DoP is one of my favourites. He shot Let the Right One In, the 2011 Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (one of the most beautiful films of this decade imo), Her, and Interstellar. I thought it mostly looked fine, mostly because it had a tracking shot!!!!! in the opening. Summary: good parts, bad parts Tracking shot at the very start, and a nice one to boot, thank you kind DoP. I liked the opening credits/song more than I thought I would, no it's not the best but it's not QoS by any means. Octopus behind Blofeld was a nice touch. Christoph Waltz kind of phoned it in but honestly the real problem was having Blofeld be Bond's older brother guy... I guess they did want to do the whole "It was me all along Bond!  Vesper! M!: The guy who keyed your car ALL ME!!!!" but it just seemed silly. Having SPECTRE be behind all the Craig poo poo, sure, that's fine, but the brother thing, no.Third act was kind of the biggest let down - they probably should have focused on either London or Morocco, probably London, instead of having the two parts. Ralph Feinnes makes a great M but man did he gain ten years in the past two. Battista was a great classic Bond heavy and I want to see him come back in the next film, no he's not dead, he can be like Jaws, never really dies.
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Nov 7, 2015 07:52
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Wow this movie really, really sucks. If not for Die Another Day, this would probably be the worst bond movie since before Goldeneye. So boring, all the action is completely flat and shot as disinterestedly as possible. The stakes are never made clear, and don't make much sense, there's no memorable characters or dialogue. Aside from a couple decent shots and maybe the train fight, it's a total waste of time.
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Nov 7, 2015 09:16
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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with people in CD, but this movie fuckin sucked and was a huge disappointment. My 2 buddies I took to see it thought it was the best thing they'd ever seen, i learned shortly after that this was their first Bond film  e: bootyista was a hilarious addition to the cast though
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Nov 7, 2015 09:24
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Generally in agreement with people here, it starts off really strong but falls apart at the end. I'll have to watch it a few more times to figure out where I'd place it though. Loved the opening sequence and what they did with the gun barrel. A few nerdish observations: So Quantum is just a part of Spectre then? I get the impression that the producers want people to forget about QoS as much as possible but the organization itself is handwaved away, it and Greene only get a few passing mentions and his picture isn't even shown with the other villains. Making Silva a retroactive Spectre agent felt completely unnecessary. Speaking of which, the Blofeld/brother thing I had heard about from the leaks but after watching the film it feels pointless. I get that they want to give Blofeld a little more motivation beyond world domination but in the old movies it was just them trying to get revenge on Bond for loving up their plans so often. Waltz has a few good moments but the scar was a little too obvious. I liked the cat, though. Overall you can tell they really wanted to make an old school Bond movie, but it's like they tried too hard to do it. Edit: Another shame, Felix also gets just a passing mention
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Nov 7, 2015 09:39
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There never really was a sense of urgency in the movie where Bond was racing against time to defeat the bad guys. Everything but the train fight was laid back, like the car chase which seemed like two buddies racing their fast cars for fun. Hearing Blofeld say a quote from the Kingsley Amis Bond book Colonel Sun about getting into a person's head was kind of random. It has nothing to do with anything else in the movie and is a pretty obscure thing to pull out. The way they handled surveillance was pretty dumb too and taken directly from Winter Soldier. Surveillance is bad because it's the bad guys secretly running it. The attacks the surveillance should stop were carried out by the same baddies too. Surveillance is the author of all our pain. I was hoping somehow Blofeld was tricking Bond into going after C who was seen as a threat by Blofeld. Which would explain the absurdly easy escape from the Explodium Storage Base in the desert. Or Monica Belluci being more then three minutes of screentime. Any kind of twist basically, the twist here being that there was no twist beoynd the incredibly obvious 'Moriarty is a bad guy'.
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For a movie that's 2.5 hours long, it's amazing how it has almost no memorable characters, action scenes, or moments. Everything about it feels off. I saw someone mention that Stuart Baird didn't come back to edit this one, and man it shows. Extended dialogue scenes just sit there, no impact, no arc. And they go on and on and on. And it must be said, this seems like a movie that actively hates itself for existing. Like, it tries to do certain sillier Roger Moore type elements, but it sets out to do them in the most joyless, flat way possible. You can't just re-do silly elements like that in a dead-serious, morose, bleak tone, and expect it to work. People forget that Casino Royale had a great sense of humour about it, even with all the dark sequences. Like the torture sequence had the best joke in that whole movie. Spectre is like a silly bond movie, but done in the style of Se7en or Sicario or something, it's a complete mismatch of style and content.
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Nov 7, 2015 10:08
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Nov 7, 2015 10:16
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Immortan posted:This has a lower RT score than Quantum of Solace does.
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Nov 7, 2015 10:46
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Quantum of Solace is so much better than this movie. It actually makes sense, and while the action scenes are total poo poo, it still has enough of an emotional arc to it that it holds up.
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the movie started off really good and i think it went downhill somewhere around perhaps the train scene specifically after they defeated Bautista and then "what do we do" "LET'S DO IT". Waltz was playing almost the same but less interesting character he did in Inglorious Basterds and while I can appreciate a low key hyper ultra supervillain it just felt wasted, especially after Del Toro in Skyfall. Can't deny it's a fun film though. I wasn't very impressed with Swann at all or the role her character plays. also did they seriously kill off the cat by blowing up the whole facility which is exploded by a bullet in a gas tank. like why ps torture scene I was really hoping that whole "you'll never recognise a person again!" would be a huge chekov's torture device, in that Bond would have been pretending to recognise people by their voice or identifying themselves, and in the climatic rescue scene he'd be faced with Waltz and Swann in the same room but with their voices obscured or whatever resulting in Bond shooting Swann. But then it would be another Vesper Lynn scenario I suppose and the whole 007 IS AN IDIOT KILLER cycle continues and Craig would hate the gently caress out of that? I dunno, it just felt like wasted opportunity
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bullet3 posted:Spectre is like a silly bond movie, but done in the style of Se7en or Sicario or something Oh hey, now I'm interested.
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CelticPredator posted:Quantum of Solace is so much better than this movie. It actually makes sense, and while the action scenes are total poo poo, it still has enough of an emotional arc to it that it holds up. Spectre makes me re-appreciate Quantum of Solace a lot more in retrospect. Like its action was mostly all shaky bullshit, but at least it had energy and kept throwing those sequences at you one after the other. I feel like once you get over the disappointment factor, Quantum of Solace is pretty watchable as a decent post 2000s shaky action movie, like I'd rewatch it if it was on cable. Spectre is so loving boring, I can't imagine sitting through it again.
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