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I do like driving but only when it is VERY LIGHT traffic conditions. Other people just ruin the experience immediately. Helps to not drive a shitbox I guess haha.
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah because if the server goes down they have no back ups or anything. The servers are also all hooked up to the open internet for *movie reasons* so hackers can somehow tunnel in and gain control. If one vehicle is compromised it somehow overrides the other 1000 cars nearby all providing sensor info and all the street sensors and poo poo too and GTA hackers are just gonna RUN AMOK! dude, if a car is hooked up to a central server it has to upload and download data in some form; unless we're inventing some entirely new perfectly secure paradigm of computing as well it'll be 1s and 0s beamed wirelessly to the server, and where that exists, the possibility of transmitting exploitable code exists. no software is ever going to be perfectly secure at either end. and your scenario has the server controlling every car in an elaborate dance so I fail to see how a hacker who is able to find a way to get in could not find a way to subvert it, or at least start confusing the system enough to raise havoc
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Nov 2, 2015 18:23
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ITT we argue about how poo poo that hasn't happened, is going to happen and how it happens to get hosed, without actually happening. Where is Marky Mark?
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Nov 2, 2015 18:29
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:dude, if a car is hooked up to a central server it has to upload and download data in some form; unless we're inventing some entirely new perfectly secure paradigm of computing as well it'll be 1s and 0s beamed wirelessly to the server, and where that exists, the possibility of transmitting exploitable code exists. no software is ever going to be perfectly secure at either end. Idk man what prevents people today from hacking in and loving with the traffic signals? Nothing.
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Nov 2, 2015 18:30
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I just find it appealing that when I'm a 70 year old man with no kids or close friends I'll still be able to get around even though I'm too old to be driving. Bring on the robot cars.
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Nov 2, 2015 18:37
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notZaar posted:I just find it appealing that when I'm a 70 year old man with no kids or close friends I'll still be able to get around even though I'm too old to be driving. Bring on the robot cars. Old age won't be a thing in 2 decades. Another blow to the self-driving car.
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Nov 2, 2015 18:41
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ma i married a tuna posted:Half of the resistance to self-driving cars is all about the 50s myth that cars mean FREEDOM and getting laid in the back seat and your parents don't even need to know. But that's bullshit. And people like the OP are like, why would I want to give up the pleasure of driving a bespoke italian supercar on a racetrack. But that's not the issue at all. I hope your self driving car kills you
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Nov 2, 2015 19:02
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Moridin920 posted:Idk man what prevents people today from hacking in and loving with the traffic signals? Nothing. because centralized networks controlling traffic signals are themselves relatively new and rare; New York has one but it only apparently controls 7,000 out of 12,000 lights. as well, that's a self-contained network which is probably run exclusively through hard wires; so it could be hacked but it would require someone to break into hardware to do so; it'd have to be a determined and coordinated attack. even if such an attack succeeds, people can still choose to ignore the signals as well. self-driving cars would be over the air and exchanging data with the central server, so it would be more accessible to anyone trying to wreak havoc this is all not to say a central server system would be impossible but making it into a central point of failure is inviting catastrophe ANIME IS BLOOD fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 19:30
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But like what are you gonna do? Spoof sensor data about a car which would cause it to crash? What happens when the other 50-100 cars near it all go 'nope that's erroneous data' and the street sensors go 'nope that's erroneous data?' You'd have to compromise every single sensor in the area at that moment in time. And since cars are obviously moving constantly you'd have to be able to compromise all sensors in a given area nearly instantly and then somehow feed data that makes sense to the server which will somehow override basic rulesets and cause the cars to swerve and crash. At worst it seems like you'd cause an emergency stop to all traffic in the area, which is annoying but not fatal or dangerous really. Presumably it'd be easy to track who did it and throw a felony on them and not many people will be doing it just for kicks. I know the NSA and the military has equipment that allows encrypted communication over the air that will continually update the keys so you're also talking about hacking thousands of sensors encrypted with 128 bit protection that rotates and then do it in like 15 seconds. End to end encryption cracking isn't something a home hobby hacker person is going to be able to gently caress with and you'd presumably have to have physical access to the vehicle to get the key out of its computer. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 19:35
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There is also the human factor of "HOLY poo poo! My car has gone rogue!"
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Nov 2, 2015 19:44
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VendaGoat posted:There is also the human factor of "HOLY poo poo! My car has gone rogue!" spergdroids itt are talking about banning any form of driver override whatsoever or making it prohibitively expensive
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Nov 2, 2015 19:50
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:spergdroids itt are talking about banning any form of driver override whatsoever or making it prohibitively expensive Well that's dumb I don't agree with that. If you're getting in a moving 2 ton death box you shouldn't ever be totally devoid of any control whatsoever unless you're like on a plane or something obviously. Even trains have emergency stops.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:51
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Moridin920 posted:I do like driving but only when it is VERY LIGHT traffic conditions. Other people just ruin the experience immediately. Basically this. Imo driving on less popular highways and freeways between two smaller cities is a pretty enjoyable experience. Driving around town during traffic is pretty meh though admittedly.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:55
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Well it's not like we have free will anyway. gently caress the e-stop then! YOLO!
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Nov 2, 2015 20:02
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:spergdroids itt are talking about banning any form of driver override whatsoever or making it prohibitively expensive The Google car hasn't crashed once. Compare that to the tens of thousands of innocents who die in traffic accidents every year. The complete removal of human control is the correct choice.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:06
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kikkelivelho posted:Old age won't be a thing in 2 decades. Another blow to the self-driving car. actually we're all hosed, the next 5-20 years they're allll gonna reverse mortgage their house (this part is already happening) to fund life extension therapies (this is about to), die at 120 and leave their kids nothing. the enormous geriatric care bubble will pop and millions of people will be out of work because there are no more 100 year old asses to wipe. oh and doctors will become accustomed to people desperately throwing cash at them to eke out a few more miserable months so even after the boomers die all the millenials that had kids are gonna pay $170,000 for a wrist fracture b/c dying boomers made every doctor from genprac on up a millionaire. you're not even going to get the loving house when dad dies because he sold it back to the bank for acai injections or whatever
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Nov 2, 2015 20:07
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VendaGoat posted:Well it's not like we have free will anyway. gently caress the e-stop then! YOLO! I will curse your name as my Googlzoncar goes sailing off the highway overpass during the 2053 spoof attack on the Union Highway System by Neo-ISIS
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Nov 2, 2015 20:07
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Jonny 290 posted:actually we're all hosed, the next 5-20 years they're allll gonna reverse mortgage their house (this part is already happening) to fund life extension therapies (this is about to), die at 120 and leave their kids nothing. the enormous geriatric care bubble will pop and millions of people will be out of work because there are no more 100 year old asses to wipe. oh and doctors will become accustomed to people desperately throwing cash at them to eke out a few more miserable months so even after the boomers die all the millenials that had kids are gonna pay $170,000 for a wrist fracture b/c dying boomers made every doctor from genprac on up a millionaire. you're not even going to get the loving house when dad dies because he sold it back to the bank for acai injections or whatever You are still caught in an outdated capitalist mode of thought. Old age, employment and personal responsibility are old concepts with no place in the post-singularity world. in the future, when something goes wrong with your life it's Google's fault, not yours. Loans will not exist since all citizens are part of a government mandated basic income system that allows everyone to live their lives as they see fit. Society's work, both mental and physical, are performed by highly advanced computers and droids.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:23
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Problem: Drivers cannot pay attention and cause accidents because they can't stop updating Facebook or playing Angry Birds Solution: Make the smartphone into a car running on Android but only push updates until the GoogleCar 2 comes out, three months later.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:25
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Google's entire automotive division is ran from top to bottom by the guys who had a cool older brother who got dad's Fastback Mustang and a box of condoms for his 16th birthday. While they got an abacus on their 16th.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:27
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I do enough driving that involves going on farmers fields, trails and unmarked paths into construction sites in my pickup that all this self driving malarky is going to be an impossibility for me. Itll probably be OK for all you dickless white collar urban fuckfaces thogh. Enjoy your lovely self driving Fisher Price wagons.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:39
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I'm excited for all the impotent road rage we'll see. Steaming little hamsters shaking around in their boxes, unable to do anything.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:40
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EvilJoven posted:I do enough driving that involves going on farmers fields, trails and unmarked paths into construction sites in my pickup that all this self driving malarky is going to be an impossibility for me. lol if you didn't go to college to work in a cubicle farm for 40 years until you die. Sounds like you didn't plan your life right.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:43
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EvilJoven posted:I do enough driving that involves going on farmers fields, trails and unmarked paths into construction sites in my pickup that all this self driving malarky is going to be an impossibility for me. "Working class hero"
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Nov 2, 2015 20:44
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One thing that'll be nice is as long as I can hold out and keep my manual cat I'll be able to go a ton of places that are now completely inaccessible by the public at large because their car can't go anywhere that Google hasn't mapped out. After that I guess I'll buy a dirt bike or ATV.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:46
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EvilJoven posted:One thing that'll be nice is as long as I can hold out and keep my manual cat I'll be able to go a ton of places that are now completely inaccessible by the public at large because their car can't go anywhere that Google hasn't mapped out. Oh what are these things at the end of my legs? Google! Help me!
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Nov 2, 2015 20:52
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EvilJoven posted:I do enough driving that involves going on farmers fields, trails and unmarked paths into construction sites in my pickup that all this self driving malarky is going to be an impossibility for me. it's already begun  
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ma i married a tuna posted:Half of the resistance to self-driving cars is all about the 50s myth that cars mean FREEDOM and getting laid in the back seat and your parents don't even need to know. But that's bullshit. And people like the OP are like, why would I want to give up the pleasure of driving a bespoke italian supercar on a racetrack. But that's not the issue at all. you can buy a car that's not a cr-v or rotting chevy hth
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EvilJoven posted:One thing that'll be nice is as long as I can hold out and keep my manual cat I'll be able to go a ton of places that are now completely inaccessible by the public at large because their car can't go anywhere that Google hasn't mapped out. Fear and denial are natural reactions to the automated future. With time however you can rise above these base emotions and realize that you are not defined by your work or your ability to steer a multi ton vehicle.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:58
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VendaGoat posted:Oh what are these things at the end of my legs? Google! Help me! Hiking is fun as gently caress but I'm not about to hump my gear 10 miles back into the bush. Hike in campers are weird they all sleep in tents the size of coffins and eat nothing but trail mix and bannock all weekend and don't even bring coffee or booze. I bet their camping shits are like passing polished rocks.
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Nov 2, 2015 21:00
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Tashan Dorrsett posted:you can buy a car that's not a cr-v or rotting chevy hth check your privilege Daddy war bucks
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Nov 2, 2015 21:04
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EvilJoven posted:Hiking is fun as gently caress but I'm not about to hump my gear 10 miles back into the bush. Hike in campers are weird they all sleep in tents the size of coffins and eat nothing but trail mix and bannock all weekend and don't even bring coffee or booze. You are one enormous, gaping vagina. Which, coincidentally, is who I normally see driving those comically over sized trucks, after the divorce, of course.
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Nov 2, 2015 21:11
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"self driving cars are for pussies"  *drives car with automatic transmission, power steering and full suite of drive assists*
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Nov 2, 2015 21:12
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kikkelivelho posted:"self driving cars are for pussies" Wha
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Nov 2, 2015 23:16
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Eventual widespread use of self-driving vehicles is looking more and more inevitable every day. You might as well stop acting like loving babies and accept it.
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Nov 2, 2015 23:36
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There's no rule against being completely hosed up on like GHB or heroin in the passenger seat of a car though.
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What happens if you're puttering along in your self-driving car and you feel a major bout of the shits coming on, but the car only ever drives the speed limit? Do you just try your best to not poo poo yourself? I also assume that these cars will be sealed from outside tampering, which probably means things like bent tie-rods or any kind of preventative maintenance or repairs will be relegated to qualified professionals. But I guess preventative maintenance in this case would be like installing CCleaner to get rid of your car's registry errors.
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Dr. Wang posted:What happens if you're puttering along in your self-driving car and you feel a major bout of the shits coming on, but the car only ever drives the speed limit? Do you just try your best to not poo poo yourself?
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crabcakes66 posted:Eventual widespread use of self-driving vehicles is looking more and more inevitable every day. You can watch VR porn on the way to work
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I hope that personal car ownership goes away too. There's no reason every individual needs to own a car that spends 90%+ of the time sitting in one spot not moving. You just call for one when you need one and that's it. Yeah, but what if you're gonna have diarrhea?
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