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Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

I would say start with classic early 70s work up to the Berlin trilogy then Scary Monsters (an overlooked album), then go to the most recent few albums. Then work backwards to the others. Don't neglect Tin Machine albums. (Personally I would skip some of the 80s and early 90s albums.)

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Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Bought this on CD today. It is a shortish album but it was priced at £9.99 for CD and £23 for vinyl. I don't know what the standard price is for a 60 min album but I think the CD has been priced a little lower to reflect the amount of content. That is fine for me. I'd rather pay less for a shorter album than more for a longer album with filler.

I like it a lot. "Girl Loves Me" is a bit dull but everything else is really fun with a touch of the unexpected. I like "Sue" for its fast beats and tight riff - like a jungle track. "Tis a Pity" has classic early 70s Bowie vocal harmonies.

If you're a Bowie fan or just like some of his stuff I think this is strong recommendation. :)

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Yes, that's my point. 50-60 min is about standard for a rock album but Blackstar is 41 min. I assumed - on the basis of the title track being 10 min, which was released first - that a 7-track LP might work out at 50-60 min. Nope, it is atypical. The timings are: 9:57, 4:52, 6:22, 4:40, 4:51, 4:44, 5:47. Hence my thoughts that the price was a touch lower than it would be for a 60min album.

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Goodnight, sweet prince. :(

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Live for the next hour is Mark Radcliffe playing songs and talking about Bowie on BBC Radio 6:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_6music

It will be listen again on the BBC website afterwards.

E: This is very good. Songs, memories, clips of interviews, tributes. Really worth checking out. :unsmith:

Josef K. Sourdust fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jan 11, 2016

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Anyone who follows Bowie will know if his admiration for Scott Walker, an admiration that was reciprocated. On Bowie's 50th birthday Walker sent him a message which moved Bowie a lot. Here is a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V01oQ_BsX00

For any of you prone to tears, you might not want to listen to this in public.

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

"We are the goon squad and we're coming to town. Beep beep."

David Bowie, honorary goon, 1947-2016

The British newspapers are publishing tribute issues, pages of photos, interviews, quotes etc. The Independent published perhaps the most inaccurate obituary I have ever read. Shame on you, Indie! :(

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

I'm a genuine fan of the Tin Machine albums and have been since they were released. I can't listen to the two preceding solo albums but the TM albums have some really good tracks even if I don't like them all the way through.

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

HorseRenoir posted:

In case you want to feel even more bummed out, last week Bowie was writing songs for another album because he thought he had a few more months to live :smith:

I hope that material gets released eventually, along with any extra stuff from the Blackstar sessions.

Well, writing is not recording. If the vocals were not recorded (presuming the songs weren't instrumental) then there may not be much to work with. :( If they were partially recorded with DB vocals then I would be interested but I couldn't get excited about a DB album with guest vocals.

Incidentally, are there any cover versions of Bowie songs that come close to equalling the original? I know of Nirvana's The Man Who Sold The World but nothing else.

The posthumous stuff could go multiple routes. The two Beatles tracks (vocals and basic instrumentation done, harmonies and extra instrumentation added) were ok but skippable, the Freddie Mercury/Queen stuff was also ok. On the other hand, the Hendrix material was vast and in all states of production/completion and it contains some really great stuff. Any other examples?

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

A whole load of interviews, documentaries, clips and songs available on BBC iPlayer. You can use this anywhere in the world:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03f4vrz

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

It's interesting when you watch a few Bolan documentaries you see how much Bowie was drawing on Bolan glam rock persona in the early Seventies (briefly). There is also the musical aspect. I had never previously realised that early Bolan songs are just Chuck Berry songs slowed down. I think the rock sound and slower tempos of Ziggy might be influenced by Bolan.

Bowie is too often seen as an innovator - esp. in retrospect - when often in terms of music, style and presentation he was simply the best and most exciting synthesiser. If you say that Bolan and Bowie were rivals in the 70s it is easy to be dismissive and assume the influence was all one way but Bolan was hugely popular. Bolan was a big star, sold a lot and was technically a very fine musician. (In 1970 Bowie had Bolan play lead guitar on Prettiest Star.) Bowie was a better songwriter and a more interesting artist but I think that Bolan was outselling him most years, esp. in terms of singles, which were really high earning at the time.

Bolan and Bowie were definitely rivals and saw each other as that. Bolan invited Bowie on to his TV show and they played together. Bolan fell off the stage. :shobon: Bolan died in a car crash fairly soon after, which was a shame because Bolan had hitched his star to the punks and was enjoying a resurgence in popularity. Visconti was Bolan's producer (until Bolan - who was notoriously tightfisted - screwed Visconti over payment) and I am sure the reason Bowie came back to Visconti in 1974 (after a break) was due to Bolan's Visconti's produced work.

Likewise, Bowie fans are too dismissive of Gary Numan, who got in first with some things. Scary Monsters has been interpreted as Bowie trying to best Numan. Yes, I would take Scary Monsters over Numan's early albums but again I think Bowie was taking from Numan and raising his game, synthesising and applying more complex songwriting and production.

I love Bowie and he deserves credit and praise but he wasn't as much of an originator as we think.

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

According to Wikipedia:

"Nadsat is basically English with some borrowed words from Russian. It also contains influences from Cockney rhyming slang, the King James Bible, the German language, some words of unclear origin, and some that Burgess invented. "

I heard elsewhere that some Romany (gy[sy) words are used, which I didn't see noted in the Nadsat article on Wikipedia (worth looking up).

Polari was originally Victorian slang:

"Polari is a mixture of Romance (Italian[5] or Mediterranean Lingua Franca), Romani, London slang,[5] backslang, rhyming slang, sailor slang, and thieves' cant. Later it expanded to contain words from the Yiddish language and from 1960s drug users. It was a constantly developing form of language, with a small core lexicon of about 20 words (including bona (good [6]), ajax (nearby), eek (face), cod (naff, vile), naff (bad, drab), lattie (room, house, flat), nanti (not, no), omi (man), palone (woman), riah (hair), zhoosh (tjuz) (smarten up, stylize), TBH (To Be Had, sexually accessible), trade (sex), vada (see)), and over 500 other lesser-known words." ("Polari", Wikipedia)

It was revived and popularised by Kenneth Williams in his 1960s radio performances.

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Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

No self-respecting Bowie thread should be without a Naruto-themed pastiche of Under Pressure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N17SGtrhQtQ

Song starts at 4:30.

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