ManofManyAliases posted:

A public company has no obligation to reveal ANY financial to the public. And, about their ToS: google shrink-wrap agreements Derek. If you created and maintain an account with CiG, you abide by the ToS. If you continue to play the game, you abide by the ToS. These terms are not significantly different than any other service providers' terms (such as cell phone carriers or cable providers). Moreover, there is currently no legal repercussion to companies looking to modify their ToS, since that in and of itself is a term one agrees to --- in the ToS.

Beet Wagon posted:

Legman for SP:



(please don't judge me)

flyboi posted:

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF CIG IS PRIVATE OR NOT IF THEY FAIL TO DELIVER A CROWD FUNDED PRODUCT/REWARD THEIR FINANCIALS ARE LIABLE AND CAN BE REVIEWED BY FTC OR LOCAL MUNICIPALITY

Stop loving waving private company like it matters. Precedence was already set so gently caress off

ManofManyAliases posted:

To the next page~

ManofManyAliases posted:

flyboi posted:

Stop loving waving private company like it matters. Precedence was already set so gently caress off

ManofManyAliases posted:

You are SO enamored with the fact that over 500k individuals are giving money to a venture that, in your eyes, is a fraudulent enterprise. So, why not let those people learn the hard way? You would be much more wise and taken much more seriously if you just chronicle this adventure and comment on it if it all comes crashing down instead of making yourself batshit insane in the meantime.

darkarchon posted:

I've talked about this in Dereks Discord channel but I can recapitulate everything here, maybe even more coherent. Wall of text incoming.

The main issue is that cheaters will be rampart in this game, as long the game has such huge issues and trusting the client with so many things. Can you imagine the screams of thousand wales that will cry out in horror once they will be ganked by cheaters and have their multi-thousand dollar ship destroyed without doing any damage to the attacker? Yeah, because that's likely going to happen as long as they continue down this road.

There are two main issues at hand, and many games solve this differently. First, we have a very twitch-y based shooter (be it FPS or flight, doesn't matter at this point since ships steer like normal FPS) and second being their plans for the multi-server-meshed network. Let me elaborate for a little bit.

Games have dealt with cheaters in different ways. You can either go with the client-authoritative route, like many FPS do, with an extra anti-cheating tool running in the background, checking for the process to have changed memory or whatever. Or, you can go with the server-authoritative route, like all MMOs, and very few games otherwise, do, which allows the clients only to do what the server actually allows them to do.

So you might think, hey, let's just go the server-authoritative route. Sure, why not? It sounds better and hey this will be an MMO, right? Well, guess why they can't do that? One word: latency. The latency when you try to do everything server-authoritative will be way too high.

Let me explain. Basically, when you don't do server-authoritative hit detection and physics, everything is calculated by the player in question. The player shooting, the projectile flying and hitting the enemy. This procedure will be calculated on the local machine and the result, plus the intermediate steps will be transferred to the server and synchronized among the network. So the player says, I shoot now, I fly at position X,Y,Z with the directional vector X,Y,Z, my shot is also going in the same direction. When the client shoots and the projectile hits the enemy, the client says to the server "hey I scored a hit" and this will be propagated through the network by the client. The issues with that are obvious, believing whatever the client says in a multiplayer game can be tough. Of course there can be cross-checks whether the enemy is actually in that location when the projectile hits and stuff like that.

When you go server-authoritative, the client has to ask the server first, whether it can shoot, then the projectile will be spawned by the server and propagates through the network. All the collision detection, spawning of projectiles and physics will be done by the server. This induces a lot of lag basically. I personally know of only one game that actually does server-authoritative shooting that is also a shooter, which is MWO. In the beta, it was clear what happens once you go that way. When you had a ping of, let's say 150ms, there's a roundtrip time of at least 300ms until you can actually see the projectile firing. So a delay of 300ms, or even more, is pretty unacceptable in this case, because it might end up in death or a complete miss given the lag involved. In a twitchy shooter like SC this is almost impossible to implement alone because of that. Plus, additionally this increases the server load extensively, since every projectile, every playerobject and everything has to be simulated by the server, along with everything else that they plan to do, and propagated through the network to all the players. In the case of MWO, they fixed this lag-issue by creating something called Host State Rewind, which basically transfers everything "laggy" to the player, doing predictions and stuff like that and whenever the player shoots the server rewinds the status on the network, compares to the lag of all the players that might be evolved and with that resolves whether the enemy was hit or not. In the case in MWO again, this is comparatively simple, since they only track the 'Mechs and ballistics in question, also the game is way slower than SC, making it not that obvious. Compared to SC, where the server has to care for even more stuff like that, that might be close to impossible, given that the servers today already run on 15fps (according to Crobbers), this will make a huge impact on the server load.

Now, when you even add the multi-meshed network instances that they plan to do at some point (hah, as if), the servers will likely have to cross-check all the authoritative actions through all connected servers, inducing even more lag and even more stress on the servers, with waiting cycles waiting for the responses of the other instances and stuff like that. I cannot even begin to imagine how the gently caress they will be ever able to include a server-authoritative structure to the game, while it's actually really needed in their case, to prevent rampart cheating. Not for nothing all MMOs actually use server-authoritative gameplay, that is based on internal ticks and synchronized evenly. But for a twitch-based gameplay, this is just not feasible at all. Additionally the load on the servers will be pretty drat high, even more reducing the people actually be able in a single instance.

So long story short, the game will have a lot of cheaters in the MMO, since it's a pretty impossible task for them to switch to a server-authoritative game design given their very fast paced gameplay.

Parp. I hope this won't be buried that fast. I spent a lot of time for this poo poo.

orcinus posted:

That's not it.
It's an oooold bug in nvidia drivers, caused by fucky handshake with MST displayport monitors.

They fixed it 2 years ago, but it looks like some idiot regressed it recently.
And novody cares anymore, i assume because enough people ditched their MST 4k screens in the meantime.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Whatever version of that is true, you should - as a grown adult - just let it be.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Precedence by one or two court cases. That can be interpreted on a judge-basis. You gently caress off.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Precedence by one or two court cases. That can be interpreted on a judge-basis. You gently caress off.

runsamok posted:

I was hoping he'd hung himself with his hole-less belt...

Chalks posted:

He doesn't seem all that insane though. From reading his blog you get the impression that he either knows something or wants everyone to think he knows something. I have the feeling he doesn't know as much as he wants everyone to think he does, but I don't think that's a problem.

Frankly, we're talking about a project that is going to collapse sooner or later, and they've set themselves up such that the collapse is going to be spectacular. Derek is standing on the side lines saying "I know you're gonna collapse!" - regardless of what details he may or may not have, his behaviour is basically going to result in him being able to say "Told you motherfuckers, suck my dick I am the greatest internet warlord of them all!" at the end of it regardless.

Ultimately, I imagine that's his end goal. I'm sure there will be a bunch of claiming to fight for truth and justice for space nerds everywhere, but that's just gravy.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

lol if you think it can handle the weight of all his aliases

EminusSleepus posted:

Hi Sandi, glad you are back

darkarchon posted:

I've talked about this in Dereks Discord channel but I can recapitulate everything here, maybe even more coherent. Wall of text incoming.

The main issue is that cheaters will be rampart in this game, as long the game has such huge issues and trusting the client with so many things. Can you imagine the screams of thousand wales that will cry out in horror once they will be ganked by cheaters and have their multi-thousand dollar ship destroyed without doing any damage to the attacker? Yeah, because that's likely going to happen as long as they continue down this road.

There are two main issues at hand, and many games solve this differently. First, we have a very twitch-y based shooter (be it FPS or flight, doesn't matter at this point since ships steer like normal FPS) and second being their plans for the multi-server-meshed network. Let me elaborate for a little bit.

Games have dealt with cheaters in different ways. You can either go with the client-authoritative route, like many FPS do, with an extra anti-cheating tool running in the background, checking for the process to have changed memory or whatever. Or, you can go with the server-authoritative route, like all MMOs, and very few games otherwise, do, which allows the clients only to do what the server actually allows them to do.

So you might think, hey, let's just go the server-authoritative route. Sure, why not? It sounds better and hey this will be an MMO, right? Well, guess why they can't do that? One word: latency. The latency when you try to do everything server-authoritative will be way too high.

Let me explain. Basically, when you don't do server-authoritative hit detection and physics, everything is calculated by the player in question. The player shooting, the projectile flying and hitting the enemy. This procedure will be calculated on the local machine and the result, plus the intermediate steps will be transferred to the server and synchronized among the network. So the player says, I shoot now, I fly at position X,Y,Z with the directional vector X,Y,Z, my shot is also going in the same direction. When the client shoots and the projectile hits the enemy, the client says to the server "hey I scored a hit" and this will be propagated through the network by the client. The issues with that are obvious, believing whatever the client says in a multiplayer game can be tough. Of course there can be cross-checks whether the enemy is actually in that location when the projectile hits and stuff like that.

When you go server-authoritative, the client has to ask the server first, whether it can shoot, then the projectile will be spawned by the server and propagates through the network. All the collision detection, spawning of projectiles and physics will be done by the server. This induces a lot of lag basically. I personally know of only one game that actually does server-authoritative shooting that is also a shooter, which is MWO. In the beta, it was clear what happens once you go that way. When you had a ping of, let's say 150ms, there's a roundtrip time of at least 300ms until you can actually see the projectile firing. So a delay of 300ms, or even more, is pretty unacceptable in this case, because it might end up in death or a complete miss given the lag involved. In a twitchy shooter like SC this is almost impossible to implement alone because of that. Plus, additionally this increases the server load extensively, since every projectile, every playerobject and everything has to be simulated by the server, along with everything else that they plan to do, and propagated through the network to all the players. In the case of MWO, they fixed this lag-issue by creating something called Host State Rewind, which basically transfers everything "laggy" to the player, doing predictions and stuff like that and whenever the player shoots the server rewinds the status on the network, compares to the lag of all the players that might be evolved and with that resolves whether the enemy was hit or not. In the case in MWO again, this is comparatively simple, since they only track the 'Mechs and ballistics in question, also the game is way slower than SC, making it not that obvious. Compared to SC, where the server has to care for even more stuff like that, that might be close to impossible, given that the servers today already run on 15fps (according to Crobbers), this will make a huge impact on the server load.

Now, when you even add the multi-meshed network instances that they plan to do at some point (hah, as if), the servers will likely have to cross-check all the authoritative actions through all connected servers, inducing even more lag and even more stress on the servers, with waiting cycles waiting for the responses of the other instances and stuff like that. I cannot even begin to imagine how the gently caress they will be ever able to include a server-authoritative structure to the game, while it's actually really needed in their case, to prevent rampart cheating. Not for nothing all MMOs actually use server-authoritative gameplay, that is based on internal ticks and synchronized evenly. But for a twitch-based gameplay, this is just not feasible at all. Additionally the load on the servers will be pretty drat high, even more reducing the people actually be able in a single instance.

So long story short, the game will have a lot of cheaters in the MMO, since it's a pretty impossible task for them to switch to a server-authoritative game design given their very fast paced gameplay.

Parp. I hope this won't be buried that fast. I spent a lot of time for this poo poo.

Pope Corky the IX posted:

How many of those doughnuts do you think Ben ate?

flyboi posted:

That's not how the law works you idiot

ManofManyAliases posted:

Chronicling it is one thing. Shoving it down everyone's face on a daily basis just makes you look like you're fighting windmills. FFS, we get it. If it collapses, he can preach from his pulpit then.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I love working for a sleazy reputation management company.

revmoo posted:

Hahaha what if it's Croberts? Compare MoMA's writing to the response to the Escapist...