MeLKoR posted:

MeLKoR posted:

Lying liar lies pew pew pew.

Sarsapariller posted:

Disinformation squad is out in full force on the /games sub today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5drbll/star_citizen_star_marine_fps_preview/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5dqd99/star_citizen_big_guns_of_the_uee_the_3_human/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5doyqy/star_citizen_production_schedule_report/

CrazyLoon posted:

Full Burn music erupted in my head as I read this. My mind is now toasted as badly as Delorean.

Sum Mors posted:

Also, skipped a lot of posts: Did they mention their Spectrum poo poo at all? It'd follow to form that they completely ignore the main thing they announced/talked about from their previous presentation.

MeLKoR posted:

So, I finally had time to watch the pre-event plus the event livestream proper, catch up to the thread until around a couple of hours after the end of the stream and take a peak at . I'm going to start writing this before reading anything more so what follows is entirely my uncontaminated perspective and I have a feeling it's going to be a 0.8 on the Derek Smart Rant scale. Adjust your belts, this is going to be largely stream of thought...



I've worked as a programmer for 20 years, in the last 15 I've also started having insight into the accounting and dealing with the upper management of hundreds of clients. Over the years I've dealt with thousands of honest people and dozens of extremely dishonest ones. This has made me wary of certain warning signs, if you go past - say - 30% on my red_flag scale you get moved into a "bullshit sandbox" and from then on everything you say and everything you do comes under scrutiny. However, I have a an almost pathological fear of being unfairly/unjustly accused of some crime/dishonesty and no one believing me so even though the red flags keep piling up I mostly just take note. I never actually call someone out publicly unless I'm into >97.5% territory.

This post isn't some sort of "threat assessment", I don't have a degree in law, or psychology, or anything of the sort. I'm just an rear end in a top hat on the internet that has been around for a while. It is with these credentials that I can now say with a clear conscience:

Chris Roberts is a loving crook.


I have had pleasure of dealing with the "business partner" version of the "Chris Roberts" model. Everything Chris says is a lie. Chris sometimes even lies when he doesn't have to lie and gets in trouble for it. It's pathological, he can't help himself. And he feels no guilt doing it, it's like the robots in Westworld, it doesn't register on his conscience.

I can say he is a crook because there are lies he told that he had to know were lies, things that couldn't possibly be attributed to mere overconfident optimist, or sheer incompetence, but are straight out deception..

What we were shown was "the secret build". They have nothing fresher than this, they said it themselves. This is "it". In light of what we were shown how could Chris have said that vaulting was coming in 2.3, some 9 months ago? They don't have vaulting or any of the other FPS poo poo they said would be ready months ago today, it was all lies.
Some people will say "of all the poo poo you're focusing on this?" The thing is that everything is a lie, but something like this can't be dismissed as a "mistake", or "Illfonics fault". No, Chris lied.


Another example is my Oct 31st blog, where I jokingly said:


I am now convinced I was right on the money, "The Road to CitizenCon" was...
A METACON!

It wouldn't shock me if they filmed it in the course of a day, after all these are people with delusions of Hollywood.

There was never any question of showing anything Squadron 42 related at the Con. NEVER. Yesterday they threw everything they had at the whales, all the shinny new movies/advertisements, the latest AC and SM, looots of filler and they didn't show anything Squadron 42 related?

A reminder that this:



is material they felt was ready to be show. I can only imagine how bad the Oldman/Hamill/Gillian motion capture must be that not even in their darkest hour they dare to show it.
I mean... either Chris or the new marketing firm they hired (Sandi didn't do this for sure) did one last desperate push to save themselves from impending doom and put a lid on discontentment that was on the verge of boiling over and still they didn't have anything from Squadron 42 that they felt was good enough to show. Just how bad is this catastrophe?

No, there never was any question of having anything to show back then. How could there be? It was all a loving lie. If anything they were working on the Homestead demo at the time and that didn't work out. Does anyone really believe they put that up in a couple of weeks? They had been working on that poo poo for a looooong time.

None of the dates, estimations, or projections Chris gives mean anything, it's all a pack of lies. If you want to discern any truth in them you can't look where he is pointing but rather what he is trying to distract you from.

What this pack of lies:


tells me is two things. First, if the best estimation Chris is giving you is that some of the work is going to be ready for testing on December 8 there is no loving way in heaven 2.6 is coming to the PU this year. Maybe, maybe it will be in the PU by mid 2017Q1.

But, much more importantly this chart tells you THERE WAS NEVER ANY CHANCE OF 3.0 BEING READY THIS YEAR. It was another straight out lie that Chris Roberts said. The man is a crook.

Look at how CIG has to distribute the human/time resources is has:

• Working on advertisements, those things take a lot of time to make and it's not just "artists" wasting time on this, that poo poo works with the game engine.
  
• Working on isolated R&D tech demos like Homestead
  
• Squadron 42 and everything to do with it
  
• 2.6/Star Marine
  
• Planet generation, careers and all the poo poo that is supposed to go into 3.0
  

They can't do everything at once, the Earth does not have four simultaneous days on each rotation, even if you have 4 offices. In order to have 2.6/SM out by the end of the year that means no work will get done on Squadron 42, or procedural planets or any of the poo poo that is supposed to go into 3.0. If I had to guess after 2.6 they will focus on Squadron 42 and 3.0 will be delayed to sometime during 2018 at best. How could there ever be any question of 3.0 being ready "before December 19th"? The man is a lying crook!

But lets forget for a minute the discussion of whether or not 2.6/SM will come to the PU this year. Let's make take "The Path to 2.6". During the 5th year of development the PU: 1- got some new ships; 2- got an area for bad boys to hang out; 3- got a clothing system and with it the ability to shoot compressed air out of your nipples.

That was it. No gameplay between 2.0 and 2.5. And for the last six months they have been dangling these updates in front of their eyes until they are so desperate to get them that everyone seems to have forgotten just exactly what 2.6 consist of. Let me remind you of what will be added to the PU with 2.6, sometime before Spring. Maybe.

This is it, prepare your body for hot new gameplay in the Verse:



Two new ships. A bar for the previously mentioned badboys. That's the exciting new update everyone is looking forward to. THIS GAME IS GOING PLACES!

That's it for the foreseeable future, they have to get Squadron 42 out or they are hosed so no significant work is going to go into 3.0 until that's done. The content locusts are going to have to happy with the gameplay they have, which is exactly what they've had all 2016. I'm laughing at you WTFOSaurus!

What about AC/SM you say? What about it? Some updates to a dogfighting module no one would care about if the PU was any good or had anything to do? A shitastic FPS that looks laughable compared to what is already in the market? Oh and it turns out that Star Marine was just another game module after all! This isn't going to be integrated in the PU, they said the arena was on another system with a stupid name I forgot. Since there are no jumpgates until 4.0 guess what... it's just another game module.

And this is if give it as granted that they can integrate that rubbish, which given that this wasn't the first time Star Marine LAN team gameplay was shown is hardly guaranteed. Some blocker might still show up and 2.6 have to be released without it sometime in March. But it will be ready soon guys, just a couple of weeks and it will release separately. Trust us!

Just going to mention the sale of capital ships for fresh cash in passing with a mere , everything else has already been said.



Final verdict: kudos to CIG for lowering the fire roasting your nuts a little, it was an excellent marketing job given what you had to work with. I think it will assuage the whales for a good while, it shouldn't be until January that you will start slipping on the given release dates and they'll get antsy again.
Whatever you are paying the new guys they were worth it, and keep Sandi away from interacting with anyone outside her studio playroom.

There is still a chance this shitshow will continue for a good while and I for one am glad of it. It all depends on how big their reserves are, they will probably make another big sale with the release of 2.6 sometime early 2017 but after that it's a long crossing of the desert until they can cobble something up and not be ashamed to call it Squadron 42. Be that as it may I doubt 3.0 will ever see the light of day, certainly not before 2018.

In the meanwhile, let the milking continue!




e: hey. CIG guy reading the thread, i see you passed them my idea of increasing credit prices instead of offering cash discounts. As you can see by this post I could be of use to CIG, one way or another. PM me to know of my very reasonable rates.

e2: in 5 years there wasn't a single livestream CIG hasn't hosed up, the incompetence is almost surreal

Beet Wagon posted:

What a great day to wake up to Derek Smart savagely owning another nerd

Sarsapariller posted:

Disinformation squad is out in full force on the /games sub today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5drbll/star_citizen_star_marine_fps_preview/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5dqd99/star_citizen_big_guns_of_the_uee_the_3_human/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5doyqy/star_citizen_production_schedule_report/

MilesK posted:

I think they promised a beta before the end of the year.

BadOptics posted:

So I take it these losers never played that Unreal Tournament map where you assault the Skaarj mothership? That was like more than a decade ago, so good job star citizen devs for remaking gameplay from UT2K4?

D_Smart posted:

Nicholas posted:

Someone convince CIG that they should develop an in-game RTS too. I want to see Star Citizen become the Action 52 of PC games