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Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Scruffpuff posted:

That said, I agree that the ELE "announcement" was flat as gently caress. I suspect the original version had more juicy bits. Since it's all we have, in the meantime, we have to continue to work together to decide the direction of CIG, which seems to be our appointed role.

if the version i saw yesterday was the jucier, pre-legal version, not really. i pulled it out of my cache and diffed, most of the changes were "my anonymous sources" to "unconfirmed rumours" types of changes

e: ignoring all of the :words: that were added

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Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

G0RF posted:

I posted my effort post 20 pages behind-- started catching up-- realized there was actually all kinds of drama in the thread-- regretted not checking first-- then furiously sped read Til I got to this picture and breathed a sign of relief... A furniture-related segue is reason enough.

Now going to keep catching up.

i picked the exact right time to say "gently caress this" and skip to the end, because apparently I dodged the drama and landed on your effortpost

well done.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

DOMDOM posted:

while I appreciate the dsmart narrative, whatever happened to turning the thread over to gork? he's been chronicling events superbly for some time, if ELE is remotely true and end times, or at least considerable drama, are incoming shouldn't he be the guy managing the op?


gorf keeps refusing

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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the combination of this picture with this emote is pretty great

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Beet Wagon posted:

Hey MOOMOUTH, I'm gonna do you a solid here since I think you might be a little bit retarded.

The correct response to everything Derek just demanded you do is to write "lol gently caress off" and then laugh on into the night.

do this, the results will be great either way

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

skaboomizzy posted:

B'Tak is like, the perfect consumer for No Man's Sky, right?

He can just drift around from planet to planet, never seeing another live player, gathering resources and trading with NPCs, getting different ships that also don't interact with other live players...

I really hope someone at the brown sea points this out to him.

E:D's solo mode is the perfect game for him already, but I'm sure he'll have a reason why he absolutely needs a PvPFPS portion of the game despite his npc-humping proclivities

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I'd take a million fuzzknots over this.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



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G0RF posted:

Argh! I saw that you'd posted something about leakers while I was reply and though "oh man I have to go back and read that!" And when I submit my reply and went back it was gone!

Rock on, whoever you are, wherever you are.

it's actually pretty telling, there's a copy of it up at You must have a Platinum Account to see this link.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



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B_of_InfoRedux posted:

So, she makes a joking comment and is probated? Alright then.

Guess telling someone to "suck my oval office" is to much for Something Awful's sensitivity.

Bet you loved the laughs though.

:allears:



e:

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum
I got interested in a minor project where I attempted to get the more interesting effortposts about the technical fuckery of SC together into one location. I had some moderate success, but a side effect was that I can present to you all the 10 most popular posts of the last 3,500 pages, as defined by "people who quoted them the most". So without further ado:

Number 10, and also Number 5, god dammit EightAce



Number 11 because 10 sucked

Bootcha posted:

Consider this my public statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4-oHfJNrr0

I, under the name "Bootcha", an investor with Cloud Imperium Games from Nov 13, 2012 till today, have decided to part ways with Cloud Imperium Games. As such, my investment has been returned to me, as is, with no accumulated interest. I no longer have any remaining business, legal interest, or influential bearing with Cloud Imperium Games and their ongoing business operations, and they have no further obligations towards me.

My opinions have been public, honest, and within the terms of my NDA. I enjoyed helping Star Citizen however I could, and was blessed to meet and befriend so many passionate artists, engineers, and designers. However, this project no longer has need of me, nor I of it.

I would like to thank fuzzknot for giving me the kick in the rear end to get this exit ball rolling, Mr. Smart for being frank and open with me, many past and present CIG employees for talking to me, Ben Lesnick for giving me this opportunity in the first place, Imp Zone for shaking some sense into me, and the Goons as a whole for ruining everything.

Number 9

Sushi in Yiddish posted:

I think he eventually came to his senses, though he hasn't posted since like early last year



Hope he got a refund.

QUESTION FOR THE THREAD: WHEN WAS THE MOMENT YOU CAME TO YOUR SENSES?

Number 8

Galarox posted:

Well now I could hardly make sandi into dorothy could I?



Number 7

Number 6

Galarox posted:

Sgt Parpers Lonely Smarts Club Band



Number 4

BastionPete posted:

Well, I lost access to my old account from 2007, so I thought I'd make myself a brand spanking new one to contribute to this discussion. I even bought premium so I could be privy to all the SuperSecretTM stuff going on.

Turns out that was a minor mistake, frikkin loled hard when I realised

You need a Platinum Upgrade to view this link.

As my first post in this thread, I'll try and keep it from being a complete shitpost.

Anyway, I'll give you some context of me. I'm about $60 deep in Star Citizen, backed in 2012 at the funding launch, and installed the game once every six months or so just to see what progress there is. There has been significantly less than I had hoped tbh. I saw this thread on Reddit where I am a semi active user. Anyway, while I appreciate some of the arguments for the game never being released, it does feel like one mighty echochamber in here.

My take on some of controversies surrounding SC.

On crazy obsessive/harassing WhiteKnight StarCitizens
Well, you have a community of 700K where the occasional individual is in for $20k. Yes they are dicks and I don't condone any of their actions. However, they do not reflect the wider starcitizen community. Personally I think they are insane for spending that much money on a videogame. Whatever, they are a few bad apples. I feel sorry for Derek that he has to put up with their harassment.

On never ending delays and how the project is being run.
This is one of my biggest frustrations with SC. The actual content being released (ArenaCommander/HangarModule/Planetside) is only a small part of what is needed for the finished game, and yet so much resources seem to be poured into them. Whole critical parts of the game, such as the databasing needed for persistence etc. not currently in development. While this is annoying, I don't think it's necessarily an indication of a project that's about to fail. Just poor project management. Also, I know very little about large scale game development and where developers spend most of their time. I agree that the project has been poorly managed in the past, as is shown by our current lack of a game. That said, just because there have been poor management decisions in the past, does not mean that the current development strategy is stupid, or that CIG are unable to produce a completed game. The current drive to make AC2.0 a platform to build out the rest of the PU game mechanics seems sensible enough to me.

Problems in one studio mean problems in all studios
There are currently four SC studios so far as I can tell. Santa Monica, Austin, ManchesterUK, and FrankfurtDE. Austin seems to be downsizing. Manchester and Frankfurt seem to be growing. For some reason this is painted here as a reason for CIG being in trouble. Some people have complained of toxic work environments, but they seem to be fairly limited to Austin, and maybe a bit in Santa Monica. Manchester and Frankfurt seem to be chugging along fine, and really helping to get the game moved along. The imminent release of AC2.0 is probably their doing. The fact that they are growing, I think, is a good sign for the project as a whole.

Money problems leading to the project shutting down
There is no evidence of this at all. Star Citizen raised $4.2m last month. Even if this was a one off, it still shows that the project has a huge number of people willing to spend money on it. The project has 700K preorders on the books, and a very generous community. If they need extra credit (and I don't hear any evidence beyond unfounded rumour) then I have zero doubt that investors will be lining up to get a piece of the action. Even before crowdfunding started, CR only needed to raise about $4m to get his investors interested and secure about $15m dollars in funding. I bet they'd be interested now.
Secondly, there is the unfounded number of $3m dollars being spent per month. Derek claimed with AbsoluteCertaintyTM that the company only had $8m dollars left and would be shutting down imminently. This is all BS. At the time of the claim, they had raised about $90m I think. (90-8)/3=27months of funding. Which is 2.33 (recurring of course) years of funding at that expenditure rate. Considering we're three years in now and there is now way whatsoever that CIG were spending that amount for even the first year and a half of operation, there is a very good chance that CIG still has a reasonable amount tucked away.

On Sandi
This is the biggest joke of the lot. There is a lot of 'evidence' thrown about on topics that really don't matter. Who gives a gently caress if she is married to CR, or is a jerk, or doesn't have a marketing degree. She oversaw a marketing strategy that has raised $94m which is all that matters. That was her job. If she hadn't done that then we would be right to start the criticisms, but that's clearly not the the case. Cries of nepotism are stupid. She wasn't appointed when the company was a multimillion dollar project, she was appointed at inception. If the director of marketing was just a random person (with a marketing degree) who raised $93m, and then they were fired and replaced with Sandi, then shout nepotism all you like. He using company property and time for personal projects is an unknown for me. They don't seem too credible and seem to be clutching at straws.

SC subreddit imgur posts getting bombed
The idea that this was a 'friendly fire' incident doesn't really hold any water IMO. The fact that every image without exception got taken down, leads me to believe that it was a deliberate attack. There were plenty of really obscure images taken down that were posted years ago that weren't originally posted in this thread. I say originally because after the news broke, some then started posting more links here to images to try and get them taken down by proxy. I could be wrong on this one, but I really don't think so.

Derek's claims in general, and refunds
Some of them have turned out to be true - Austin downsizing, a few perople quitting, maybe a couple of other things, but a lot of his claims seem to be unfounded beyond his mysterious sources. I dunno, maybe he is telling the truth, but he really doesn't come across as the most trustworthy/stable of guys. If all this drama had been raised by a more reputable character, I might have considered refunding, as it stands, Derek claiming something doesn't really worry me and I'll be keeping my game package till something a bit more concrete comes up.

Number 3

Number 2

Reharakhti posted:



I made some peter gabriel fanart
Hope you see it peter, your videos are the best :3

And the number 1 most quoted post of the Star Citizen thread...











not actually :gary:


















D_Smart posted:

I am on p2788.

When I get to the current last page (2798) that I am on now, for every loving Ryan Archer post that I see, I won't post for 1 day. e.g. if I see 10 posts after p2798, that's 10 days that I won't post.

And when I do come back, I will start reading from page count + number of days. Which means that every thing that came before, I will neither read, nor respond to.

So yeah, you loving idiots need to stop with this Ryan Archer poo poo and go create another thread for it.

That is all.






Runner up prize:

Octopode posted:

No. I work here. I manage operations for this and integration for this, while making sure that their stuff keeps working in here.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I'm calling bullshit on the top 10 most popular posts, my video of Chris Roberts playing his game should be 7, at least!

obviously you didn't emptyquote yourself enough to stack the deck vOv

better luck next time commando

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Jason Sextro posted:

The guy who was asked a simple question about persistence, in the Persistent Universe, and was unable to answer it with any kind of coherence or succinctly is directing Squadron 42. It's no wonder the script is the size of the phone book, that must be cut down from the first draft.

the best part at some point after the laughing subsides, you remember that all these were prerecorded and he had ample opportunity to not only select the most favorable fawning questions, but to also write out a script so he could answer them coherently

and the laughing starts again

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



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Dinosaur Gum

moveable shape posted:

Risc1911 had a great post about networking fairly recently so go check that out if you missed it.

via the archiving thread

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Gorf is getting his own posts so I'll just toss out some of the other technical effortposts:

Nov 6, 2015 - PU Server Hosting Requirements
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=452393981&forumid=212

Jan 22, 2016 - Server User Limits
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=455280228&forumid=212

Apr 13, 2016 - Server vs Client Authoritative MMOs
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=458649749

Apr 14, 2016 - "Refactoring" Networking Infrastructure
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=458716622

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

B_of_InfoRedux posted:

And to those wondering why I care so much well that's simple because SC COULD loving RUIN GAMING.

SC is about as likely to ruin gaming as it was that it was going to save it in the first place. You sound exactly as hyperbolic as the shills you're screaming about.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum

"guest"? I thought the paywall was up?

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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TTerrible posted:

Don't do it man. Step back.

like he took the advice any of the other 4 times he melted down

he'll probably be back in a month like nothing happened

e: to be fair, i think the first time he actually apologized for being so defensive about poo poo, even though it was...weirdly apologetic? like quoting six different people and apologizing to them individually or something?

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum
I am on p3619.

When I get to the current last page (3629) that I am on now, for every loving B_of_InfoRedux post that I see, I won't post for 1 day. e.g. if I see 10 posts after p3629, that's 10 days that I won't post.

And when I do come back, I will start reading from page count + number of days. Which means that every thing that came before, I will neither read, nor respond to.

So yeah, you loving idiots need to stop with this B_of_InfoRedux poo poo and go create another thread for it.

That is all.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Tortolia posted:

I wonder if Glassdoor would pull that review down if it was reported like the disgruntled employee review that obviously made her feel the need to defend CIG's honor like that.

if it's sandi it's a legitimate review from a current employee so

up it stays

doing more damage

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Are management allowed to post reviews? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the site?

not really? the point of glassdoor is to have reviews from people at the company

it usually looks better if a high-level says "yes I am a high level" but it's not bad per se

especially in this case, where if you say "wow this is what management actually thinks" you can stay miles away

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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orcinus posted:

Bereavement leave?
Is that a thing in US?

not by law but it varies by company

i'm a dirty californian and i'm pretty sure i get explicit bereavement leave that doesn't come out of my sick/vacation days, but i'd have to check

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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RoosterChief posted:

I've been in this thread too long, I'm getting Stockholm Syndrome. Sandi actually looks kind of attractive in those pics.

Either that or I'm very, very drunk.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum

Gravity_Storm posted:

Derek isn't going after INN he's fishing for a bigger target...

If i'm right just kick me under the table Derek

derek is the fabled one-legged man in the rear end kicking contest

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum
also who's doing the tracking of the funding graph, i'm too lazy to dig through 3k pages to find who posted the most recent chart

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



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Dinosaur Gum

boviscopophobic posted:

What do you want to know? The latest completionist hasn't been refunded yet.

mostly just curious if the raw data was posted in a gdoc anywhere

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum

no_recall posted:

CIG had no cards to play this week aye?

2.4 was released onto one of the pre-public test servers, and they were very explicit that the NDA is currently in full effect. Which means the bugs are probably nothing short of spectacular.


:allears:

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum

Mirificus posted:

Has the thread been deleted?

Were people saying mean things to ABH?

The first two replies were "Isn't this supposed to be under NDA?" and I know a couple people reported it. Deciding whether it got deleted because Sandi didn't remember that her god-like powers don't extend to her anonymous forum account, or more people were saying "what are you doing that's NDA" than "oh wow cool" is left as an exercise to the reader.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum
Also worth noting is that ABH's patch notes explicitly excluded the "known issues" and "bugs fixed" sections, opting to only show sweet new features.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum

Raskolnikov posted:

"Can we play it again?" "Yeah?" "Play it again!"

*goes off without a hitch*

More cheering.

that's how you know it's some lovely, publisher backed "professional" deal

i'll take chris roberts' complete lack of practice and six attempts to play a prerendered video any day, it's more honest

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Gerblyn posted:

The whole concept of hand crafting planets is insane, regardless of what kind of short cuts you take. The area you'd need to generate is so vast, that even one planet would be an impossible amount of work.

Imagine I have an asteroid which has a 50km radius, the surface area is:

50*50*4*pi = 31415 square km.

As a comparison Skyrim's map is 37 square km. Even if I had 500 terrain tiles which are all 1km square each, I'd still need to repeat each one 60+ times to cover it.

The idea that an artist would be able to go over an entirely PG asteroid and tweak/beautify it is just as crazy. If we imagine that the artist could tweak 1 square km per minute, which in itself is absurdly fast, it would still take 523 hours to check the whole thing. And this is just a small asteroid we're talking about, a small planet might have a radius of 5000km, which means a surface area 10000 times larger.

but no you see they have a hand crafted landing area from their eye-to-orbit video that probably fits entirely in a 4km^2 area, therefore the vertical slice alpha exists and they just need to fill it with content, no problem

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum
i saw a new title in my cp and came running, what'd i miss

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

jBrereton posted:

how many games have you made bitch

well strictly speaking RSI's tied with most of the world with a grand total of "zero" so far

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Dinosaur Gum
it’s okay friend

there’s no need to puppet master here

you can let it all out

this is a safe (procedurally generated) space

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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thatguy posted:

If I wake up tomorrow and the thread title isn't some sort of Czech pun I'll be very disappointed in all of you.

Star Citizen: Czech out sex tape and parp

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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D_Smart posted:

You guys think you're pissed now? Well then, better get ready for my upcoming blog because it's got some things that nobody saw coming, and which I can 100% guarantee will lead to legal action that will subsequently *force CIG to produce the promised financial accounting for the project - something that most of you are too scared to see happen.

:woof:

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Morningwoodpecker posted:

If you think I'm either mad at internet hilarity or being serious you really are dumb enough to be up your eyeballs in greymarket jpegs.

lowtax is dealing in grey market ship funding for the forums, it stands to reason the mods are involved :tinfoil:

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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Xaerael posted:

I just want to know G0RF is OK. He just vanished without a goodbye, which always spooks me a little on the internet after previous bad experiences.

i last heard from him in mid-september and he said he wasn't on SA much anymore, so if it was before then he's fine and if it was after that he's probably dead, hth

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Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

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my favorite part of this, easily by far, is you can tell that's a $1,000 aeron under that $12 worth of plywood and duct tape

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