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DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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https://www.cloudimperiumgames.com/contact

I don't know if that's the new or old Santa Monica office. Looking at the google map it is directly on the water. If there is any way to make your costs higher, put your business directly overlooking the ocean. Wise spend of money indeed.

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DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

That's the old office. It's about three blocks away from the ocean but there's no view to speak of. It's actually kind of hard to find; the office itself is located down a long hallway that opens up into a back alley on one end and the promenade (basically a bunch of shops) on the other. There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to its location outside of some good places to eat nearby. The office is tiny, traffic sucks, parking is a nightmare (I have no idea if employees have permits but I would hope so), the building itself is really dark, and you need a key to use the restroom.

I apparently can't read a map then :gary:


Still sounds like a lovely place that I bet was still hella expensive. You still have contacts over there Beer? If so, how are they taking the move?

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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It seems like Lando wants to share more and give dates. Ben just keeps smacking his hand

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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"Guy for the interview is here early"

Blatant damage control. They would just tell him to wait not announce it on the stream. It's clearly a nod to "We are totally hiring people, no money problems here!!"

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Bootcha posted:

So many cat heads.

Bootcha stop tickling our collective balls and finish the stroke :quagmire:

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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$500 refund update from me.

Still waiting on the response. Ticket originally open on 10/6 mentioning not only the lack of game but the non-delivery of the physical items promised in the Rear Admiral Kickstarter package. Response back on the 15th saying in addition to the normal BS heard about 14 day grace period, etc, etc:

quote:

The Collectors boxes are in the process of being made and will ship next year. They have been taking a little longer as there are thousands to make and it is a very complicated process.

Then they said they looked forward to hearing back from me. They then closed the ticket. (go figure)

- Opened a new ticket on 10/27 referring to the old one.
- Generic response on 10/27
- "Are you really sure" email on 11/2
- Generic response on 11/6
- Me asking for a status on 11/12
- Generic response on 11/13

I of course realize the charge back option but these are 2012/2013 transactions and Paypal is pretty adamant on their page about their timelines. Pretty sure I can use the original TOS as to the start date of the refund process. So they have until 11/30 to get it sorted.

If that doesn't work there is always the BBB here in the US which they seem to respond to: http://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/internet-gaming/cloud-imperium-games-in-santa-monica-ca-1016845

And this real gem of a professional response to one 09/08/2013 complaint in regards to a citizen card delivery:

quote:

Once the data is collected hopefully at the end of September then there is production, quality check, logistics and shipping of the cards.
Should you not wish to wait, we can offer a full refund. Unfortunately we cannot make the card magically appear.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Hey Derek, thanks for the Heinz Salad Cream recommendation. Went by Publix last night in the Atlanta area and they had a whole stack of them on a shelf there. Brought one home and the wife and I loved it!


And also, everyone sort your sauces out and put this on EVERYTHING else

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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peter gabriel posted:

It's me, I am the major investor

That's him with the money bags

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Matlock Birthmark posted:

Wait a minute, I just looked at this. It looks like once again a ship is being put out that adds even more things they'll need to develop in the finished game. That ship apparently has two mini-games built in. One to move a repair arm (whatever that entails) and one to choose materials to craft/repair with.



It's no drink mixing minigame, but yeah for even more scope creep.

But but but they are feature complete and no more creep. CR said so!! :colbert:

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Most important stream of the year for a 95+ million game and all the production value of high school morning announcements feed

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Loiosh posted:

Yup. The only funding used for this is the subscriber income. None of this comes out of the donations. You get what you pay for, basically.

Those mics being on the table is driving me crazy. They need to be mounted on arms or stands to isolate them from people hitting the tables. This is why I bought my friend one of these:

Not to be a dick man because you are a cool guy but... Money makes a camera guy walk in front of the camera guy actually filming? Dude sitting with CR on SQ42's mic not being up to as loud as Chris? People talking over cut outs to other videos? Currently the volume not working at all while Chris talks? (I won't go into the fact Chris has a nameplate in front of his name and other dude doesn't thus me having to call him other dude)

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Just two weeks™ more until I'm told to pound sand or here is our offer of 1/10th of your money back...

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Obviously he's ahead of Patrick, who hasn't even gotten to early October...

I wonder if these guys only work the refund queues? One of the emails I got said that it was going over to their "refund guys". I suppose not but it would be interesting if that was 110 + Patrick's queue of refunds to process.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Loiosh posted:

Honest answer: This is the most active chat about SC in a place I like. Reddit is a bit circle jerky for me. So when I'm all chatty, I can find people to chat with.

Once my interest wanes again, I'll be quiet and lurking for another bit. What's best though, is having excellent posts like you and Beer writing a lot of detail. I enjoy learning and well written posts, so you guys are a big part of it.

It helps temper my excitement to see the other point of view. That way I'm always getting a good balance of perspective.



:gary:

But in all seriousness :gary:

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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botany posted:

haha yeah keep pretending you're a normal non-creepy person who just happens to speculate about a female game devs sex life for fun, it's really working out for you

She's a public figure because she is the head of marketing for a publicly funded highly visible game company not just a "dev". And it's not just her if you are trying to play the sexist card. There have been more than enough fun poked at Ben and CR's sex life (or lack there of).

Besides, if making fun of people's sex life was "creepy" and socially unexceptable I wouldn't face them every time I see a tabloid at the grocery checkout line.

DarkRefreshment fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Nov 21, 2015

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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bumbles posted:

That's him with the final solution

I am still way far behind in this thread but honestly this is the first thing I've read in here that literally made me LOL

:bravo:


As an aside, I am free. Two months and two tickets later all $525 refunded through Paypal via CIG. They didn't try to haggle me either. I can only assume this is due to the fact I was a Kickstarter backer and it was directly after the November 2015 deadline. Odd how all of a sudden they got to my ticket...

:gary: FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOMMMMM

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Every now and then I like to go back to the original Star Citizen Kickstarter page for a good laugh (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/description)

This week's favorite lie; you had to pay at least 30 bucks to get "Exclusive access to the Alpha + Beta"

Then :
- For a $5 fee you to can be in the Alpha
- Something something cocaine
- Oh poo poo, running out of money for cocaine and the whales are dry
- Free access to Alpha for the general public to try to fleece more money

"Exclusive" must mean only humans that have a computer and hard drive room for a 30gb weekly download

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Colostomy Bag posted:

Yeah, there is "Shut up and take my money" item in the store for $5.

Or I hear you can take that $5 instead and download a legit copy of a certain "sensual" video from one of the company's founders

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Sickening posted:

If you can watch the link below with the sound on and still tell me you don't believe its her I will stop mentioning it.

NSFW http://tinyurl.com/j2jonq2 NSFW

Tickle me timbers

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Lazrin posted:

do you know how hsa accounts are funded?

As someone that has an Optum health account through my employer I can tell you 2 ways that is is funded:

1. A flat $1000 bucks on Jan 1st contributed by my employer. (Of course the amount would vary by company)
2. Amount (if any) I elect to take out pre-tax to contribute to my HSA (personally I throw in about $500 extra bucks a year)

Either way neither of these accounts can be touched except by me for qualifying internet space ship medical purchases.


However, this could be someone trolling Derek in that the refund could be from a reimbursed expense. For example, I go to the doctor, I pay the bill out my own pocket because I forgot my HSA credit card. I then go online, file a claim to be reimbursed for that amount and they cut me a check. Does it say Memo: for a refund from my employer? Don't know as I always use direct deposit for that.
I guess one thing to know is if RSI people work for CIG or RSI on official pay stubs?

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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SomethingJones posted:

Sadly, this would appear to be an alternative explanation.



Yeah this basically.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Jobbo_Fett posted:

Sandi is a mail order bride, hence the need to refund via paper cheque.

Mail order bride you say?

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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TheAgent posted:

Why would anyone want to stop this comedy train

Wtf

Exactly... it makes me extremely sad to think that one day this will end, either with a game (probably not) or with them folding up shop and tping Derek's house with the remaining funds. Because the truth of it is, NOTHING that will come along after this will be this much of a goldmine. $120+ million bucks, tickle porn, angry warlords, cute customer service nicknames for backers, guys in wheelchairs, bitter sunk cost nerds; the perfect storm of fail is just too strong here to ever be replicated.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Wafflz posted:

The NMS thread is a window into the future

Yeah but NMS didn't take nerds money to make the game. That is a HUGE difference. lovely over-hyped games come out all the time (I'm looking at you SPORE) And if it does suck, the drama for it will be over way before this Shitizen monster is slain. Unless, of course, you can find Sean Murray having sexual tickle relations with a goat or something. I fully expect us having another year of terrible forum posts on SC before it's over.

My body is ready for a someone to start a kickstarter that taps into another form of pent up nerd sexual frustration and begin the fleecing by Aug 2017.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Wafflz posted:

Yeah the NMS meltdowns will be small time in comparison but it's a glimpse into emotionally invested space nerd meltdowns when they find out yet another space game isn't going to replace their life.

True. Makes you wonder if it's just space games that are the main tear inducing and deepest darkest pit of rage in internet shitlords.

I recently had the best space combat sim fun I've ever had in House of the Dying Sun on the Vive. It's a short < 5 hour game but it I got to fly around and shoot things in a cockpit. That's all I really wanted from a space combat game and why I initial backed this dumpster fire.


e. Before ~dreams~ took over

DarkRefreshment fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 5, 2016

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Pilz posted:

I'm surprised CIG doesn't have a Montreal studio to get those sweet, sweet incentives

You can get this in Georiga too:

http://www.georgia.org/competitive-advantages/tax-credits/film-television-and-digital-entertainment/

20% credit off the top and another 10% if you slap a big Georgia peach state logo somewhere in your credits.

CCP did this for EVE when they were here and so does the Walking Dead

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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A_ssR_apistDude420 posted:

MOMA tried but he was honestly just too nice and patient with this thread. Plus he was too focused on the TOS. The real problem is the people like you who think they can just register accounts on reddit and troll with impunity. They're on your rear end but im coming in the source.

WTB intelligent person to shill for SC

Whatever happened to that SC fanboy (name started with an L I think) from like 2 or 3 threads ago that was nice, reasonable and didn't speak like a twat?

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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A_ssR_apistDude420 posted:

But to be honest Derek is only a small problem on the hole its the rest of you chucklefucks that need to be taught whats what in true gaming.

Please teach us internet assassin. My anus is ready

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Fat Shat Sings posted:

Some of the reformed backers responded to one of my posts recently echoing this.

"Has CIG thought about how LTI will even actually work"

The answer is that they said at one point what LTI would be and over the years have contradicted, changed, half referenced it so much that it's obvious they have zero actual plan, no documentation, nothing in the works. Chris Roberts decides everything and he is busy with his movie shoot.

Backers will answer this with "Of course" and then lightly reference the original definition CIG laid out then throw in 3,000 words of complete conjecture.

They have described mining a dozen different times in a dozen different ways. Nobody knows which version is the actual truth, what stage of work is complete on it, when it would even be in the game and the only way you can keep justifying all of this bullshit is if you are deluded enough to cherry pick 1/10th of the information CIG has given that you like and then pretend that's what you will get. The only reason to do that is to prove that you are right about Star Citizen not being a scam though.

Cherry picking the good word? Full of contradictions? Are we talking about CIG or most major religious texts? Or are they the sameth- omg cult confirmed.... :gary:

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Fat Shat Sings posted:

Star Citizen is by every definition a cult, but when you come up with a real world analogy you realize it's even worse than organized religion.

Imagine that the Vatican released an updated Bible every year.

One year Jesus died for your sins and resurrected after 3 days
The next year Jesus killed himself for your sins and you can't understand why yet, but only through prayer will the truth be revealed
The next year Jesus was involved in a plot to destroy Satan, but was tragically killed by humanity, and we are paying for that to this day
The next year Jesus was a human and until death his true potential wasn't released where he started shepherding humanity
The next year Jesus was a good guy that performed miracles to just test people to see how gullible they were, like a dick
The next year Jesus went down in a huge battle, Matrix Reloaded style under 50 Judas'
The next year Jesus was part cyborg and battled the armies of Satan with kickass machine guns
The next year Jesus was actually part Satan and killed himself to kill the part of himself that was Satan
The next year Jesus flexed his muscles so hard he shattered the cross and sent splinters into hell, defeating the armies of Satan

If you would then go "Well, based on that, this is exactly what happened (30,000 words of conjecture)" Congratulations you are a backer.
If, however, you would go "Well it sounds like you guys don't know what actually happened and I'm going to be at least a little skeptical" Congratulations you are not a backer.

At least in most cults or religions they have a handful of versions of the gospel that are somewhat related to eachother. There aren't 14 different versions of Genesis with the pope stumbling out and making up a new one every time he wants people to donate.

I approve of this analogy. Partially because I have dreams of Jesus being a cyborg with like a golden machine gun and knowing Kung Fu.

Chris <will do some some stuff> then <conjecture> while he was using the <conjecture> ultimately doing <conjecture> and thusly we have the BDSSE!!!

Star Citizen - The Mad-Libs of a Hype Train

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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#IStandWithSurfaceDetail

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Colostomy Bag posted:

Ortwin: Chris Roberts, failed developer and director. A man whose career is barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the crowd sourcing. We have the capability to build the world's first idiotic man. Chris Roberts will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, delusional, clueless.

Also, fetch him one of our finest trophy soft-core tickle fetish "actresses"

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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natetimm posted:

Wanna go back in time and shop at that store.

I bet it was an Electronic Boutique or a Babbage's if was here in the US. Looks like an EB.

I remember being a kid and flipping through the printed game catalogs. Also drooling over the speech pack for wing commander 2 trying to explain to my mom how awesome talking in a game was. Even if it was lovely cut scenes and a little radio chatter. Worth the $20 or $30 bucks for it.

e: Wife falling asleep on our catte tax

DarkRefreshment fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Aug 17, 2016

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Bubbacub posted:

lol

no



It's in the next most visible spot after his face.

Matlock Birthmark posted:

Thankfully, what appears to be a sock line makes me guess calf. But still, how do you even begin to explain that 10 years from now.

10 years from now I think you are obligated to start a street gang called the Star Citizens. They would be known for being awsome.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Goobs posted:

Lmaooooo holy sweet gently caress. Im actually dying right now. The combination of dumb loving douche facial hair, his fivehead, that loving shirt, AND the tattoo is probably the best combination ive ever seen.

Every Shitizen joke that can happen has happened in this picture. I mean for fucks sake the Poster Boy of Shitizens lands on our doorstep. No photoshop required. I'm pretty confident the universe is in on this.

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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TheAgent posted:

lol

another loving ship sale

Why the gently caress do they talk to their backers like I'd talk to a 4 year old about getting ice cream?

"If you eat all your vegetables the ice cream truck will show up"

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Cigstomper58 posted:

What you said is in keeping with what I have heard, although I have never heard it put to this specific context.
If this is accurate, then players only impact on the economy from a resource gathering perspective is their choice of what to gather.
This puts the economy on rails as far as gathering is concerned.

I am not sure how I feel about that.

I don't like this version of SurfaceDetail. Less tree fucker more salty please

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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You know if I felt like dealing with the :effort: of posting in the brown sea I would ask one simple question.

"Why?"

Why would do you honestly think this game will release or release with half of what was promised? You have so many games promising to do a lot, but far less in comparison, failing or shuttering before release. DNF, NMS, EA's Simcity, Spore, Destiny, all the various kickstarter games over the last few years, etc. What possibly makes you approach this whole project without a ridiculous level of scrutiny? There are a lot more dumpster fires in this industry than huge success stories. Instead you have people happy that NMS failed on a lot of expectations from what at least seemed to be a pretty stand up face of the company. Sean didn't even give off nearly as many red flags as CR and company are showing. But I don't see many people drawing parallels between NMS failures and SC's current state.

I'm sure the answers would be things along the lines of "Chris is the second and third coming of Christ", or "They have 300+ people how can they fail" or the standard "I don't understand game development"

Clearly I also don't understand common sense either


Still going with Star Citizen - The Perfect Storm of Fail

DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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If I was a Euro SC fan I would feel I just got slapped in the mouth.

loving amateurs. Low energy, no effort given to treat this with any real respect.

To be fair it's not CIG's fault, these pesky Euro's shouldn't have had their mega international gaming convention so close to the ~~Dreamfactory~~ presentation that is CitCon. I will now be awaiting the :reddit: response of "They are saving all their best stuff for Citcon" when the presentation tomorrow enviably tugs the shaft a few times and then abruptly leaves the room.

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DarkRefreshment
May 5, 2015

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Pilz posted:

Can I just ask something that's been bothering me for a while? What the everloving gently caress does a "good" space sim look like? This isn't even a matter of programming or performance, it's a matter of game design. Star Citizen and Elite:Dangerous and other people wanking over EVE were talking about how you'd have to mine asteroids, except you could be a pirate, except people needed to mine or they wouldn't get any money, but once you HAD money you could build a giant ship and be a god unto the miners, and also have massive space battles that were fun and it's all just complete bulllshit. I just don't see how that gameplay loop or structure is anything more than ,having a core group of early adopters/whales, and then a shitton of marketing to constantly coax in new players to act as targets to be pushed around. It reminds me of how fans of the multiplayer in Dark Souls laugh when new people complain about getting shat on by low soul-level builds or even just guys hacking the poo poo out of the game, pushing it off with 'oh we all just went through the same thing' like it's some sort of cost of entry and ignoring the fact that retention is gonna be poo poo. Maybe that's a bad example, but my point is that I've wracked my brain over how this sort of gameplay is supposed to be attractive to everyone involved, how the miners are supposed to be having as much fun as the dudes zipping around in fuckoff-huge capital ships.

I don't think it's impossible, I've had some ideas myself. A simple attempt at introducing interplay between miners and pirates would go a long way - but nobody talks about it. People who want to mine act like pirates don't exist, and pirates act like miners are eternally helpless before their might. I've barely even seen discussion of how massive spacefights between capital ships will be fun, just a dumb acceptance of the fact. It's this sort of lovely approach to thinking about games that's made star citizen so successful: people don't think about how star citizen will be fun because they've seemingly never thought about it beyond "Star Wars looked neat and is thus fun."


Edit:



Duh, Space games are basically about who has the biggest jpg spaceship :gizz:

Ask EVE super and titan owners.

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