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TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


That didn't last long?

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TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


joats posted:

Yeah IDK, 4 hours ago it seems like he wasn't because his name wasn't "moderator" green with an (M) next to it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3q7egx/rantteam_bonding_thread_9th_edition/cwd0s80

Reading the rest of that comment thread, he was responding to a question about no longer moderating /r/dereksmart.

Mystery solved!

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


To be fair to them, we've been empty quoting Dr Smarts promise to "burn down their jpegs" ITT.

What did we expect? We started this goons. We are the monsters.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Hooded Reptile posted:

I skimmed through this and its pretty much "I don't know".

Skip to 2:30. classic.

"Rehab is not an option" on the opening graphic. :five:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Jenks posted:


If you think there is an issue with Star Citizen because of how Cloud Imperium is spending its raised money, you’re on the same side as Derek Smart and should reevaluate your life.


The comments on the RPS article are shaping up well already.

Don't like this vapourware spaceship game? Better reevaluate your life. :argh:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Ghostlight posted:

That's me in the wheelchair





losing my anonymity.

:stonk:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Just to reiterate :frogsiren: Don't touch the poop at stargur.com :frogsiren:

IP space allocated to VPS providers is scanned constantly looking for terrible setups like this. Unsanitised uploads directly to someones S3 instance? SSH open and ready for business on 22?



EDIT: Beaten massively while looking for chumming images. Nevermind.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


drat Dirty Ape posted:

I hate it when that happens.

Fret not chum.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Unfunny Poster posted:

Google: About 303,000 results (0.31 seconds)

I was looking for the right chumming image. :colbert:

I didn't want the jaws scene, or someone in a bikini posing with a bucket of chum. I want the mid-air chum trail. I want the extended arm. I want the act of chumming.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Unfunny Poster posted:

You're the Chris Roberts of Chumming Pics.

Ingredients

Ground Pilchard fish or bait fish
Anchovy Oil
Bread
Fine Beach Sand

Supplies

Bucket
Stirring implement
Scoop cup

Method

Mullet fish make great bait and can only be caught with cast nets. To get the mullet in casting range, throw these Mad Mullet sand balls in the water. When the balls hit the water the sand makes an irresistible cloud in the water and the resulting oil slick stays on the surface.

Mush up all ingredients except sand, then add sand until the mixture can be formed into a ball. Add some water if too dry.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005



wtf isn't this the same concept art they released a few weeks ago just with some red on it? :gary:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Oh my loving god please stop. This constant retelling of goon-on-goon drama crossing two games that no ones gives a gently caress about is the least entertaining thing in this entire thread and that is a low bar.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Kimsemus posted:

Yeah that is definitely the worse thing in this thread. . . .

It's the least entertaining.

:gary: they said I was bad at the game
:gary: really it was they that were bad
:gary: also goon loving

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005



One of the head goons.:gary:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Seeing as how every single cultist is a domain expert in game development, I wonder if they'd head on over to /r/gamedev to defend SC if a discussion of the issues CIG are having with their crosshair was started?

:gary:

This isn't a :goon: incitement, I just wonder how far the dissonance goes and if they're willing to take on actual gamedevs with their YOU DONT UNDERSTAND GAME DEVELOPMENT line.

TTerrible fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Oct 30, 2015

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Eonwe posted:

btw, Lowtax is in a time of great need

he is moving away from hamster powered storage toward :siren: THE CLOUD :siren: and is accepting donations

you will get a mystery prize next month if you donate

just remember that many of you recently got star citizen refunds and $5 could go to papa lowtax to keep this drama machine alive

http://forums.somethingawful.com/announcement.php?forumid=1

If you've got a refund because of this thread, pass some of it on to this head goon.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Karl_Ramseier posted:

If you explain to me what I should rationalize... busy reading legal documents atm.

Do you guys think pretending to be married to someone and also posting pics of the person in question is punishable by law?

Please continue, this will end well for you in every way.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


de_dust posted:

What does Christ Roberts even do? Does he program or anything, or is he an ideas guy.

He is the idea guy to end all ideas guys.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Im_drunk posted:

Here is a pastebin of the "deaf guy" you're speaking of, he's a real charmer. Just like the wheelchair kid, turns out even dicks can be disabled. He's called Nkato.

This org is founded on principles of mutual respect you FUCKSTICK.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


CrazyTolradi posted:

So at first you hope they don't have money in reserve, then you go on to say if they have that money in reserve, the game will be ok.

Make up your loving mind dude.

Only goons deal in absolutes.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


AP posted:



All three UK companies now overdue.

Tippis posted:

Wait, I missed this. What bills haven't been paid?

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Tippis posted:

Those aren't bills.

True, sorry. The important thing is they are bleeding money for entirely avoidable reasons.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005




It was never a secret.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Dear redditor, please ask Sandi about harassment policies in the workplace.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Octopode posted:

Whether you pick 2011, when Chris was selecting an engine, or 2012, when the prototype was demoed, it doesn't really matter. There were no suitable licensable high-performance game engines available, whether with 32-bit or 64-bit spatial positioning systems that would have met the necessary wickets without requiring similar or more re-engineering work in one area or another.



"Crytek posted:

The CryENGINE 1 was developed between 2001 and 2004, parallel to Crytek's first game, Far Cry.

Crytek wrote the entire engine in less time than Star Citizen has been in development. They hired large parts of the Crytek engine development team.

..but you knew all that right?

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


The thing that usually stops an engine change for a project is having to throw away completed work and start again.

With SC none if it is in-engine yet anyway, it's all renders in 3DS Max. Isn't this the best time to just download UE4? :v:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Gwaihir posted:

This is the really salient point. Which engine they picked doesn't help anything when Chris decides that the boots on the marine character model are not up to his exacting standards, or that the Constellation needs to be re-designed for the 5th time.

And they have been solving technical issues with cryengine, but again that doesn't magically make a fun game or make their design choices not be steaming piles of dogshit.

No one is arguing or claiming that going with a different engine would have saved the entire project - more that its just another example of making the worst possible choice at all times. We dissect SC all the time in this thread, why are people getting angry about enginechat?

If it was UE3/4 it would still be a complete mess but it wouldn't have been completely ridiculous to choose Unreal in the first place.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Someone mentioned the Hunger Games whistle earlier in this thread and I had Logic open and

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Lowtax is hogging Derek. We summoned him. You cannot have him, head goon.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


The recent track record on trailers and jpegs is pretty bad, and that's all they've got.

The citcon star marine trailer was a disappointment even to the brown sea and Reddit and was quietly delisted from YouTube and never mentioned again. It was demoted from gameplay trailer to some QA testers messing around. Reality: people probably worked a crunch week to poo poo that out.

The weird black geometric alien ship had a red variant released and it was just a terrible photoshop covered in artifacts.

Now they're trying to pass off year old renders as new and getting caught out by reddit.

When CIG can't put out passable jpegs and staged trailers without the faithful murmuring from the pews then things are well and truly hosed.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Go big or go home for that :10bux: jfc

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


How much of the DB3 server replacement fund is going to be donated by Seraph and/or people pretending to be Seraph? Thank you Seraph

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


I cannot believe how blatant they're being about the gearshift to movie production. :yarg:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Welcome back Octopode.

Do you have anything funny to say about the fourth mocap studio and how 2.0 is so finished that there is nothing to show for it? Tell us of the innovative QA process at CIG that results in not a single in progress jpeg or video clip.

Will you be getting a concierge card?

Namaste.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Spent the entire evening playing the new Space Engineers update with planetary landings. I love that both Space Engineers and Elite Dangerous are going to have planetary interaction before Star Citizen has anything beyond a hangar. Holy poo poo get a refund.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Has someone on Reddit got so sick of waiting they're building SC themselves?

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Does the constant use of "blocker" annoy anyone else? I don't know of any other project that throws that around so much.

Lots of talk of excludiber breaking builds on the reddit threads, so as well as having no game they are also incapable of making a working build environment. I would _love_ to see the state of whatever CI/VCS they use. It's probably a screenful of folders on Bens desktop ending "use this one (2)" "use this one (8) final!" :yarg:

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Ursine Catastrophe posted:

If you’re actually in a game dev studio it gets tossed around a lot. Obviously you’re hearing it a lot in this context because the nonexistent game needs excuses for why they can’t show any of it it’s a big buggy mess that has blockers in the literal sense of “if you shipped a game with this in it you’d be laughed off steam something about an open development process giving you insight into the real no holds barred nitty gritty of the dev cycle

I'm no stranger to game dev, I've just never seen it so overused. Every other loving word is blocker, blockers, blocked. Someone needs to throw up a chrome plugin that replaces blocker with contrived excuse. I guess I'm being unfair, after all their new streamlined decimated more efficient dev team has been brought to a halt by one person getting injured so some blockers are to be expected.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Octopode posted:

All correct, more or less, with the added wrinkle of the current major issue being memory leaks, which probably wouldn't have shown up in the relatively short play sessions shown at Gamescom or CitCon. There's also just the normal fact of development on a large complicated system causing regression and new bugs as things are added or changed in general.

As for earlier comments people made about the FPS lead's broken wrist causing delays: first, CIG really does not have a very deep bench on the programming side and never has--I'd guess only about 10% of their team are actually programmers, and they are spread very thin over different chunks and systems, so a single loss is a significant chunk of their total manpower. I would be surprised if they have more two or three people who have worked on the FPS portions in-house. Secondly, programmers are not interchangeable, particularly when working primarily on bug fixing; it'll probably take a week just for his replacement(s) to get familiar enough with his code to be marginally effective unless he's much better than average at writing readable code.

Why don't CIG have a very deep bench on the programming side? The entire loving thing is founded on the belief that they're doing something so amazing that the tech to do it doesn't exist. They hype it up like it is some grand new avenue in computer science, yet with ninety five million us dollars they don't have many programmers? :downsbravo:

Programmers are interchangeable at this level. These people work in the games industry, that is already a specialisation. Sure, some people will lean more towards one thing or another but this isn't a D&D module - there are no hard Spaceship Programmer/FPS Programmer/Buggy Programmer/BLOCKER FIXER character classes. Being asked "Hey can you take a look at the issues assigned to Barry - he is off for a couple of weeks. The rest of the team can get you up to speed." shouldn't be a problem.

Oh poo poo, Barry has broken his wrist. Time to re-roll one of the people who majored in spaceships to be a bug fixer, should take about a week to level up. :gary:

tl;dr If your 95 million dollar software project crashes to a screeching halt and can't survive one person leaving then you are incompetent or the people you have hired are incompetent. Stop defending this house of cards and get a refund.

EDIT:

Octopode posted:

Programming stuff is inherently less parallelizable than stuff like asset development, and honestly less of a schedule risk for the overall game. It makes sense that they should be prioritizing asset development staff given their tremendous backlog and the manpower intensity of their assets. Between the two, the coding side is at a much higher completion percentage than their art side is.


The assets are behind the programming? Are you looking at the same project? They have nothing but a giant pile of assets and no loving game to use them in. They've probably got an Indiana Jones style warehouse full of Ben and CRoberts raved ramblings about the verse and how things should work, all anotated with concept art. None of it works.

TTerrible fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Nov 15, 2015

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TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


Octopode you're being very selective with what you reply to, friend. Quite a few of us are sat here waiting to be schooled on how to manage a large video game programming project.

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