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Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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drat Dirty Ape posted:

Idea for Sandi: Create anime skins for your spaceship JPEGs

Sandi will eventually make the "Sandi Roberts (Gardiner) Star Citizen Commemorative Fleshlight". $10 for those at donation level over $5000.

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Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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It just keeps getting better and better - now people are designing their life's work, their home, around Star Citizen (for that matter, a video game!). What in the gently caress is wrong with these people?

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Trust fund kid, has to be.

And I loved the walkthrough. No fire code or health and safety violations in that fine establishment!

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Madcosby posted:

holy gently caress that farm to table vid

that place looks so poorly managed; i dont think a second went by where there wasn't some level of laziness/irresponsibility being shown

the menu items had underlines
crooked paintings

every monitor/chair/table was a different size

sometimes he wheezed when he talked

the kitchen

the filth

papers plastered everywhere as they figure out things too late but dont adjust for them

i could go on for ages

but loving hell farm to table

I love the monitors/PC's/Etc. being strung to household extension cords, haphazardly running along walls and fixtures into surge protectors filled to capacity.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Goddamn this thread. I take a little time away from it when things got kind of slow, now I've spent days getting caught back up and there's still no end in site.

Keep up the good work, Goonsirs. One day, when they find the internet buried in a desert, this thread will be the Dead Sea Scrolls of its time.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

seems like a reasonable, swell kinda guy

i especially like that he's not belligerent and defensive

:gary:

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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D_Smart posted:

As usual, that's a load of bollocks.

Clipping issues are in scene GEOMETRY and how the engine's camera handles them. A fairly small change? Are you loving serious?

That's Octopode, you should know this by now Uncle Derek.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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They spent money on that stupid poo poo?

Yeah, yeah, companies do that poo poo sometimes and the cost is small but for a crowdfunded "business" that really doesn't inspire faith in leadership when you are printing up poo poo for the VP of Marketing for the company to use in a lovely webcast. Of course, the whales eat that poo poo up and who the gently caress am I to use real-world business principles and try to apply them here.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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That's him with the Angioplasty

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Friendly Tumour posted:

You look at that pic from 2 years ago and then remember nowadays they're buying 2000$ chairs and 20k$ coffee machines.

Yeah I know. There's just something that triggers me every time something like this is posted. The way they throw money around and we haven't even seen their financials. Of course, working in Project Management and Compliance, I look at this poo poo daily so I'm predisposed to this enraging me. I need a safe space.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Friendly Tumour posted:

And yet you're a thread regular. Something wrong with brain there

Yes, but it's such a great source of laughs and :gary:

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Has there ever been a better time to be a Goon?

The Bitcoin saga with Bruce and Meze Grill, I thought we had reached Peak Goon, but this has surpassed that by volumes.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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A Neurotic Jew posted:

CinemaBlend has around 38K twitter subscribers. For comparison Escapist has around 54K. It's not exactly the NYT but it's still bigger than a random personal blog. Maybe big enough to get an unhinged response from CIG.

It doesn't take anything substantial to get these guys whipped into a frenzy. You could open a twitter account today and post something critical of SC and they would roll out in force to defend their favorite scam.

But when someone with a little bit of notoriety posts something - watch out. It's going to be a poo poo-storm. A very hilarious poo poo-storm.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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aleksendr posted:

The game HAS to release and be good. The things we could pull off there would make the burning of Jita looks like a small sparklers.

Yeah, I don't think that will happen. Sorry Goon friend.

But whatever is released (if any), in all its horribly shittastic glory, will still be a fertile ground for lots of Goon adventures.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Think CIG is in full on Red-Alert, brace for impact mode? Calling their most trusted minions to prepare to fight back against any perceived ill-speak of the mother ship?

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Daztek posted:

Squadron 42 this year, guys.

So they are just now hammering out requirements for SQ42?

Yeah, this thing is toast.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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drat Dirty Ape posted:

The main requirements are a tolerance of bad movies and games.

Naturally.

And an epic level of disdain for Project Management and Accounting.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

You have to understand, their passion isn't about a video game. It's about the dream associated with that video game heavily reinforced by a massive sunk cost fallacy. Comparisons to faith and religion aren't out of the question. Some people believe in Jesus, some people believe in thetans, and some people believe in Chris Roberts. This has been intentionally reinforced by a marketing scheme designed to focus on that connection and belief. CIG intentionally avoids revealing anything concrete about the game, keeping things as ephemeral and subjective as possible, so that backers will fill in the blanks with what they want the most and subsequently pay for it. That's why two different people can have two completely opposite views on the game and still fund it while expecting their dream to come true. An essential part of that dream is protecting it; the mental construct surrounding Star Citizen is incredibly fragile. That's why people are so aggressive in attacking dissent, and why CIG is so rigorous in purging "toxic" members from their forums. Doubt and faith cannot coexist. Everything must be explained in the narrative of the game progressing well. Frankly it's impressive how well CIG has done it, particularly with respect to vilifying Derek Smart. Instead of ignoring him they turned him into The Enemy, convincing backers that he's such a threat that they should give CIG money in spite of him. Every critic is an alt for Derek Smart. Every negative post an attempt to push his agenda. It's amazing.

Of course there's a very ugly, unpleasant downside to this. Those people really are expecting the most amazing game ever made, and at some point CIG is going to have to deliver it to them. If they deliver something unimpressive and lovely then backers might delude themselves for awhile, and then possibly quit, but there's also a possibility that they get angry. Eventually people will realize that it's not my fault, or Derek's fault, that the game isn't going to be what they dream of. They'll realize it's Chris, Ben, and Sandi's. Or worse yet they'll realize it's their own. How they react when they accept that is going to be incredibly interesting.

What's telling, at least to me, is the level to which negative opinions are silenced or verboten. Even just the tiniest bit of questioning a CIG decision or a dissenting opinion to the group-think is completely forbidden. There is ample evidence that this has been a longstanding policy, but it seems to me that it has gotten worse over the past few months. If you aren't on the "BEST drat GAME EVER" train and completely devoted to that line of thinking, there is no room for you in their "community". Further, they've created their own hierarchy, where the more you spend on the game the more respected you are within that community. While this is dangerous in any community, it's especially dangerous in the community of a game that hasn't even been released and has the most ridiculous and convoluted development process ever.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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A Neurotic Jew posted:

lol Derek putting Sandi on full blast on this stream right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znR3JvQJPMc

Is that the same stream from a while back that was nothing but CIG circle-jerking? If so, I'll catch the highlights and spare the nails on the chalkboard.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Tippis posted:

It was even more unintuitive in its map design and had god mode. Having no sensible way to move ahead and no real enemies gets boring after a while.


A well-run business with a reasonably popular product having a better cash position than an labyrinthine insane asylum of a movie-game-tax-dodge company with no product at all… doesn't seem all that weird.


e: Wtf is with my spelling today?!

One of the things that Frontier has done very well since their start was to design a clear path of development and put competent project managers in place to keep things moving along and within scope. From what I've read (and it's general good PM practice in all industry), if people come up with other ways to expand game play or to improve/add features, they take it under consideration for future development and continue on with the scope as is. Now we are starting to see a lot of these ideas that have come up during development start to get their own paths on the development tree and slowly coming to fruition, without slowing the core development of the game.

Compare and contrast that with SC and CRoberts - someone has an idea, Roberts make it his own and it's promised to the community without any movement on the development path. This actually slows down development because you have made the entire pathway completely vague and overfilled with vanity items and other features that just simply won't work in any context.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Wulfling posted:

I used to do this to people in Drozna station I think, with Starfleet Dental back in the day. Good times. Great guys to hang out with.

The days of Starfleet Dental were some of the best in my gaming history. Hell, we didn't even have to be doing anything and it was a riot. Chasing people around to the heavy roleplay areas in obscure planets and stations, just to dance around them and act the fool, ruining their "immersion" and subsequently throwing a tantrum. Catching people RP'ing in a gently caress cabana on some desert oasis planet.

Good times.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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So is it dead yet? Took some time away from the hilarity and I'm trying to catch up. Highlights perhaps?

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Truly the best post.

I feel proud to have been in on this shitshow from the beginning of Derek's Smarties. Where do we go from here? Like a wise sage once said, the only place for this to go is UP UP UP!

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Jon Do posted:

archeage broke a little piece of all of us

e: for me I think it was also Planetside 2, some of us were chill, others raging assholes; between the two I started to really question my place in the community as a whole.

StarFleet Dental was what broke me. Such a great time, such a horrible time.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Hobold posted:

SFD was bad in a game? Huh. They were/are amazing in STO. Been more than a year since I've rolled with them there though.

No, no, not bad per se, but I rolled with them from STO launch to almost a year and a half ago. We had a great time, but there were those peaks and valleys, where someone sperg out and comedy would ensue.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Are you having your periods?

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Sunswipe posted:

Who's more immature, you for making the joke or me for giggling like an idiot?

e: catte and... catte with horn


The answer is.......we will find out in 2 weeks.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Daztek posted:

I will always love Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 up until the ending

I loved the entire series, up to the ending of 3. But that ending really soured my opinion of the franchise for a good while, so much so that I didn't want to replay the others until recently. But then I replayed them and the love affair came back strong.

I think they know that ME:A has to be done right and really set a high standard out of the gate. I'm optimistic about it, but the sting of 3 is still fresh.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Einbauschrank posted:

A cage full of hungry rats tied to his face.

Sandi is standing at his desk, demanding obedience.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Lets see how long it takes to get banned this time.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Ive always known that Scam Citizen was going to crash and burn, but it was always a matter of when and what hilarious circumstances.

It seems that the past few days/weeks have just accelerated the death spiral. And the fact that Ben is still employed is just absolutely insane. But maybe that will mean more laughs because he's the worst goddamn thing about this entire debacle. He's worse than Crobber and his trophy movie star wife.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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EminusSleepus posted:

That is what Toast is imploring that it's the backer's fault why backers expect to see their paid jpegs to be available.

But Backers want the best game ever, you just don't understand. You aren't a true backer if you don't understand the vision and that it will take time to build this dream! Now, buy more JPEGS to show your loyalty.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Truga posted:

Yeah, at this point it's obvious there was no plan, but back then the biggest player ship was a constellation for 4 crew. Battlefield crams more than that into choppers, so it didn't look all that weird. Then they started coming up with idris for up to 10 people (okay, sure, maybe they can cram this in if they work well), and it just kept escalating from there.

Funny thing is, as far as I know SWG had all this poo poo working over a decade ago, so while I was a bit sceptical about big ships It didn't seem all that hard in 2012, as long as they could get player counts over ~30 (not very hard in 2012 either).

Hindsight being 20/20, though, making an FPS with an FPS engine is hard for CIG, so, yeah, this is never going to work out for them.



SWG...man those were the days. Well, at least before SOE turned it on its head and starting loving with everything that was cool with the game.

But yeah, when the JTL expansion for SWG came out, they did a pretty good job of doing space combat. It wasn't perfect, but it was playable and good for its time.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Phi230 posted:

I hope they did cobble it together and they cut into a load bearing wall and their fancy office starts having cracks everywhere they pay a lot of money to keep fixing but they never fix the root of the problem

Perfectly fits with the entire CIG business model.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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DOMDOM posted:

My dream? I call it "The Largo Initiative".
I have in my possession, all the primary vessels required to set up my pharmaceutical company, and the trusted people to man the key positions in the chain. Everything from aquiring the plants and minerals, the studying and testing, to the dispatch either in small or bulk supply. If successful, The Largo Initiative will grow to become the galactic equivalent of GlaxoSmithKline and Phizer. Supplying Medical vessels and facilities with stock. I aim to specialise in hard to obtain or unusual compounds. Nothing is off the table, if it's out there and it has a client base, we can provide it.
Ultimately, the business is just a means to an end. The end goal is to become wealthy enough to fund a race team in the Murray Cup. I want to buy an 890J, and follow the race calender from circuit to circuit, working with my race engineers and pilots to build a successful and exciting team.

What the ever loving gently caress is this?

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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What's the latest and greatest from Uncle Dr. Smart?

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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I love all of the whales and true-believers that shout, "GOOOOOOONNNNNNN" every time someone posts something critical of the scam. It makes me smile and feel pretty good.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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intardnation posted:

i am sure i will get a -50 for my reply!

I'm doing what I can, friend.

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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How this sack of poo poo is still employed, I'll never know. I thought for sure that even CIG wouldn't be so stupid as to keep him around, but alas, even the lowliest expectation from CIG is never achieved.

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Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

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Tortolia posted:

I imagine they closed ranks around Ben purely to spite goons and Derek, since we were beating the drum. We can't assume that things would have been different if it was a big site running with it (see: Chris and the Escapist), but it might have led to something.

GGOOOOONNNSSSSS!!!

I wonder why no site picked up the banner and reported on the very public face of CIG? In a lot of industries, even the loving CEO will get ran out of town on a rail if their lovely opinions gain traction in discussion.

Furious Mittens fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 28, 2016

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