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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


I doubt the backstories are foreshadowing. They are just kind of boring backstories.

The happiness stone has to be because man does it do nothing else

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SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013



The doors are just backstories for characters you presumably care about or are invested in. Some are important for future events but mostly they serve as rewards for the player if they like the characters and want to learn more about them.

Like the three goons from Ruan learning about the meaning of teamwork and winning a fight against Agate doesn't mean anything for the future, but yeah I kinda liked these recurring npcs and I was happy to spend an hour hanging out with them as they become bracers.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010



Don't know if Osborne talk is done but...

As someone with the rare experience of only having played Cold Steel 1 and 2 so far, Osbrone so far comes off as a pretty compelling antagonist.

Like, dude has a vision for Erebonia, through commoner reforms and annexing surrounding territories for economic growth. And he has a charisma that you can understand why someone like Machias' dad would work with him. But there's this underlying worry that the reforms and expansion are only benefiting him alone, and if getting Carl over to his side was manipulating his hate for Nobles with his niece's suicide. Then there's his uncaring ruthlessness in getting his way, Vulcan is one thing but I did understand from Scarlet's story and what happened to Jurai City and C that Osborne will trample over anyone who would stand in his way.

Then there's the Finale of CS2 where I fully believed his threat to crush Ouroboros underneath his heel if they got in his way was genuine and something he could actually do, what with how he walked onto the scene like Crow didn't shoot him in the heart and revealed that he was pulling the strings on all sides of the war with Rufus and the Imperial Army.

And then there's the thing with him being Rean's biological dad. It puts a whole new spin, because to me at least, the way he appeared in Rean's memory and spoke looked like someone who genuinely cared for his son. But now Osborne is using that connection to emotionally manipulate Rean into working for him. So does he still care for Rean, did he ever, or does he see Rean as another pawn for his agenda?


edit:

I'm going to get into the Sky Trilogy next and probably see a recap of Zero/Azure unless the official American releases come, but it's going to be interesting seeing what people think of Osborne and Erebonia as a whole from an outsider perspective

SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jul 28, 2021

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Moofia Boss Val posted:

I think we could have done without the Schera door. It contributes nothing and is just fluff, and wasn't even very entertaining fluff in of itself.

The only worthwhile doors where the Agate and Tita one, the Kloe one, the Happiness Stone one, the Richard one, and the Olivier one (which really should have been a post-credits scene for SC). I'd skip the rest.

Recommending people skip Star Doors 14 and 15 alone makes this unacceptable.

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021



Star door 14 was just vapid teasing. It doesn't tell you anything of substance; it's just people standing around playing the pronoun game and pretending that things are happening but doesn't tell you what.

I know people rave about Star Door 15, but honestly I will never like the character. She is unenjoyable to watch and detracts from my enjoyment of the game whenever she is onscreen. SC She inexplicably gets a pass for all the mass murder she committed in SC. 3rd She is turned into the objection of the main characters' affection for no reason, but at least that story was wrapped up in 3rd so I don't have to see her again... Zero oh wait, that exact same story arc is repeated in Zero (again) and even worse, it comes at the expense of the main characters of the game I was supposed to be following (the SSS), as rather than the climax of the game being about the SSS, it's instead about Renne (when her story was already wrapped up in 3rd). And then she continues to haunt the franchise after that, and she isn't even enjoyable in her future appearances. She is insufferable.

Nereidum
Apr 25, 2008


I'd be more willing to believe the Happiness Stone story was just fluff if the things didn't keep showing up. I don't think they ever explicitly call them Happiness Stones after 3rd, but stones matching the description keep appearing. They're usually said to have some sort of warmth to them, and they always seem to be a perfect fit for whatever someone tries to set them in. Including the one in Sky 3rd, I think we're up to four now:
  • Zero: Shizuku finds one that she uses to make a pendant for Arios in a sidequest.
  • CS2: Anton gets one to go in the bracelet he gives to Sharon in the hidden quest in the epilogue.
  • Hajimari/Reverie: Cerberus finds one and gives it to Jingo. She trades it to Beryl (who recognizes it as being like one that appeared in Liberl), and that's the first link in a chain of trades that end with Jingo getting her own airship.

IceBorg
Oct 23, 2012

I KINDA DOUBT THAT!


I guess Ouroboros new plan "Eternal Bad Opinion" is reaching it's next phase because wow at this thread.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009



Moofia Boss Val posted:

Star door 14 was just vapid teasing. It doesn't tell you anything of substance; it's just people standing around playing the pronoun game and pretending that things are happening but doesn't tell you what.

I know people rave about Star Door 15, but honestly I will never like the character. She is unenjoyable to watch and detracts from my enjoyment of the game whenever she is onscreen. SC She inexplicably gets a pass for all the mass murder she committed in SC. 3rd She is turned into the objection of the main characters' affection for no reason, but at least that story was wrapped up in 3rd so I don't have to see her again... Zero oh wait, that exact same story arc is repeated in Zero (again) and even worse, it comes at the expense of the main characters of the game I was supposed to be following (the SSS), as rather than the climax of the game being about the SSS, it's instead about Renne (when her story was already wrapped up in 3rd). And then she continues to haunt the franchise after that, and she isn't even enjoyable in her future appearances. She is insufferable.
Renne is good

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009



My advice to new players on what long, boring, offputting walls of texts to skip? This thread. Do not read or post in it. I will take this advice going forward and I pray for others to do the same. For their own sakes. Farewell, everyone *vanishes from the series like kurt* *sky kurt not cold steel kurt*

MythosDragon
Jan 3, 2016
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Apparently Unisuga leaving Falcom was fake.

MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jul 28, 2021

infraboy
Aug 15, 2002

Phungshwei!!!!!!1123

Unisuga leaving was actually fake news, he will stay a loyal salaryman

I personally love Renne. Is it confirmed all those guards died in SC or were they just unconscious as is typical for these games?

The episodes in Hajimari/Reverie overall were much are enjoyable and actually kind of a nice break from the main story and reverie corridor.

At least in TC you just have to do the doors once and if you feel like NG+ they're basically all skippable and the main story is actually rather short.

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction


Renne strikes me more as someone else's idea of a cool character than as a particularly good character.

She did introduce us (sort of) to the DthereforeG cult, which is dark and interesting and flushes out the setting a ton. There's something to be said about Ouroboros as an organization when you can point to various members and say "they seemed to treat her well" and this other fuckin' nightmare factory and say "the horrors faced all but guaranteed she would be one of us"

Storywise, I don't feel like there's anything that Renne does that's not done better by someone else in the same game.

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Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008






Gravy Boat 2k

Renne is snarky and I like the snark

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