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The Dr Manhattan and Thunder Cats ones seem unlikely but the rest seem like they're quite probable.
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AnacondaHL posted:Kikko's new costume design is good. Xelkelvos posted:So when does Dark Queen Kikko take over the earth? I want to prepare myself for subjugation.
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Finally caught up. The Jaguar episode was insanely good, and this week's was pretty great too.Darth Walrus posted:C'mon, we all know who Claude is. Did you see his left arm? There's no way Claude is Jiro, it's a different voice actor and Jiro's powers don't line up with Claude's.  Unless somehow Claude's powers are the true form of Jiro's arm's power and Claude is an older Jiro from the future, but that seems very  .
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Dec 14, 2015 17:39
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Its gotta be the brown haired kid in that picture. Who the gently caress he is exactly? That's still on the way.
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a kitten posted:Its gotta be the brown haired kid in that picture. Who the gently caress he is exactly? That's still on the way. Jiro is adopted, so it's presumably Dr Hitoyoshi's biological son. The real question is: when and where did Kikko meet him? Man, the addition of outright time travel to this has really messed with our ability to make predictions.
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Dec 14, 2015 18:08
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Jiro is adopted, so it's presumably Dr Hitoyoshi's biological son. The real question is: when and where did Kikko meet him? What if there's a character whose knowledge of ongoing events is the same as ours, because he's time-hopping like crazy?!* *Note: this might be incredibly stupid I'm not so sure time travel will play such a big role, though. So far, the only character we've seen time-travelling is Jaguar, and it looks like he's not using his fancy watch to do it. There was a much bigger stationary machine that sent him to the past (and retrieves him automatically as well, apparently). That would mean the only characters who can effectively time-travel are Jaguar and his contemporaries, and we've only seen one other one. I doubt there's more past versions of Jaguar messing with history, since he'd know about that (and our main Jaguar is likely the "oldest" one). Oh well. Time to see this chaos unfold, watch some more
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Lemon Curdistan posted:The Dr Manhattan and Thunder Cats ones seem unlikely but the rest seem like they're quite probable. That's what the question marks are for. There's a lot of old series from that era so it's hard to make out from this side of the Pacific the inspirations for the characters at times. If we knew a little more, we'd probably be better able to pin certain things down. That said, much of the events in the series have historical analogues and it looks like we're about to see what the Soviets are up to
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Dec 14, 2015 19:25
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I guess the fact that they had an optimus prime analogue confuses things a bit. Prior to that, it was all references to classic japanese tv, and even most of those were from anime.
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Serious Frolicking posted:I guess the fact that they had an optimus prime analogue confuses things a bit. Prior to that, it was all references to classic japanese tv, and even most of those were from anime. Transformers is a Japanese-American franchise, and the Autobots were based on Takara Toys' Diaclone toyline (Decepticons like Soundwave and Megatron, meanwhile, came from a spin-off of Takara's Microman line). That said, the robot in question was American, so they might not have been going so far back into the franchise's history.
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Dec 14, 2015 20:51
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According to this interview, It's "meteor tail" that Kikko's been saying. Thanks Daisuke.
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The rate at which things are progressing in this episode is making me realise that the pacing for the first ten episodes was a little out of whack. Claude should really have been introduced around episode 4/5 instead of waiting so long. Super glad the plot is finally going places, though. That said, if the thing that makes Jiro quit the Bureau ends up being just the revelation they set Rainbow Knight up and that Daishi is an alien, I'm going to be a little disappointed, since that doesn't really seem enough. I'm also not quite seeing how Shiba goes from his present state to being a nutso bad guy later on. e; I only just noticed this shot in the ED,  :
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Concrete Revolutio is my new favorite anime ever. Every time I think something else might be edging it out stuff like these last two episodes happen.  Lemon Curdistan posted:e; God, I love how pure  the ED is.
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If it is that, it's because it's the tipping point after all that other poo poo. I'm very much looking forward to next week.   e: 
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It looks more and more like, whatever ends up the true tipping point, it's gonna have a lot of dead bodies. I don't think Claude is around in the future anymore, and neither is Daishi. Some more clarifications for the various factions involved... - Superhuman Bureau, set up by Jaguar, the doctor & apparently several aliens; meant to protect superhumans, and they're actually honest about that. - The aliens themselves, involving Daishi & his two buddies as well as several Americans, most notably Master Ultima. Looks like they're aggressively researching superhumans to force evolution (???), and they're using the Bureau as one tool for that. - Claude/Jin, the vigilante; a victim by the aliens. Probably involved in the youth movement as well. - Shiba & the Sciencers. Poor guy probably knows the least of everyone, but it looks like the Sciencers are on his side and doing their own research. Who knows. - Imperial Ads & the defense minister dude whose name I keep forgetting, most likely candidate for the "real" bad guys. So far, they look pretty opportunistic - let's see how deeply involved they really are... And, of course, the ever more urgent question: Why the gently caress did Kikko stay with the Bureau? Especially after what she found out (and did) this episode? Weird how she, or at least her devil alter ego, turns on the Bureau before Jiro does. How does that turn out...? Huh. I'm also curious how deeply the aliens are involved in the Bureau: the chief is obviously on the side of the aliens, but how much do Jaguar & the doctor know / what are they okay with? QUESTIONS. Plus, as usual, Emi stays a complete mystery. Reaaaaaaally curious how this is gonna turn out.
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Torquemadras posted:Superhuman Bureau, set up by Jaguar, the doctor & apparently several aliens; meant to protect superhumans, and they're actually honest about that. That's kind of a misleading statement, in that they profess to be honest about it but they certainly have very few qualms about doing some very dodgy stuff; they're either full of poo poo on some level, or taking an extremely long view of what "protecting superhumans" means.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:That's kind of a misleading statement, in that they profess to be honest about it but they certainly have very few qualms about doing some very dodgy stuff; they're either full of poo poo on some level, or taking an extremely long view of what "protecting superhumans" means. Fair enough. But I think "extremely long view" is more like it - these fellows appear to be all about superhumans as the next step of evolution, unironically. And then there's the doctor's claim that much of their questionable actions, many of which directly involve tricking Jiro (!), are aimed at creating a better political climate for superhumans. Who knows how genuine they are about their beliefs... Or how deep the conspiracy goes. I'm not sure all the founders of the Bureau we know about would be cool with experiments on superhumans. Let's hope the show doesn't drop the ball - it's just getting really interesting these last two episodes...
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Daishi going "but I really do want to support superhumans!" in this last episode felt pretty dubious to me, too. I mean, I'm sure he does, but it feels like he's always been a huge pushover whenever he's been on-screen.Torquemadras posted:Let's hope the show doesn't drop the ball - it's just getting really interesting these last two episodes... Yeah, same. I'm looking forward to the next cours and I hope it can live up to the show's quality so far.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Daishi going "but I really do want to support superhumans!" in this last episode felt pretty dubious to me, too. I mean, I'm sure he does, but it feels like he's always been a huge pushover whenever he's been on-screen. Huh. Now that you mention it, I think you're on to something. For someone holding the position of chief, Daishi sure was taking a lot of poo poo from... well... everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the end, he's no more than a puppet for Master Ultima, and even his two buddies are more in the know than him. Perhaps he DOES know about the horrible poo poo that Ultima & Co. are pulling in the name of whatever weird alien agenda they have, but he keeps weakly justifying it for himself. Perhaps we'll finally know more about him next episode when Claude... probably kills him dead, yeah. I always had the impression that the doctor is the real leader of the joint - it's far more interesting what that guy really knows, and what his relations with the aliens is. Depending on how they twist it, he could even be a genuine villain later down the road. Who knows. We need BACKSTORY. Lemon Curdistan posted:Yeah, same. I'm looking forward to the next cours and I hope it can live up to the show's quality so far. I kinda had the impression that this show builds one hell of a card house, getting more and more complex with every episode, only establishing vague links every know and then... There's writing yourself into a corner, and then there's constantly switching sides to write yourself into an ever-increasing number of corners I'm mostly here for the super-fascinating Watchmen-like superpowers & politics thing, but this show is sure investing quite a lot in a vaguely promised payoff somewhere down the line. I'm hella curious.
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There is a very large web of intrigue here and the days of cutting through it without a second thought have gone. The Golden Age is over. The Silver Age is ending. Long live the Bronze Age.
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Uh, wow. That's a lot to unpack, I'll try to sort my thoughts out later.
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Just watched the final 2 episodes, and I was worried that my Top 5 of 2015 vote was pre-mature, but alas I'm greatly satisfied with how this cour ended. Post timeline plz, see y'all in April
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AnacondaHL posted:Post timeline plz, see y'all in April You got it. and copied for the click-averse.  SPOILERS FOR WHOLE SEASON
Note: Shinka Calendar seems to correspond to the Showa Calendar. Year 19 = 1944, or World War 2, etc.
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AnacondaHL posted:Just watched the final 2 episodes, and I was worried that my Top 5 of 2015 vote was pre-mature, but alas I'm greatly satisfied with how this cour ended. Oh, and I completely held off voting for mine for exactly the same reason. Absolutely not disappointed with how it all turned out.
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gently caress this show is one of the coolest things ive ever seen
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Well, that was something. At least now we know what made Jiro quit. Now we just need to find out when and why he became the Bureau's enemy... Might have something to do with his adoptive father, given how much dirt has turned up on that guy, and because he seems to be in league with the big alien conspiracy. Oh, and Chief Atika is alive and seems to have a change of heart. I wonder what mess this will create later on; it seems there's a much harsher legislation passed some years down the road, for some reason, despite Atika's current stance AND position. Still, kinda freaky a single alien can go "nope" and just outright murder one of the highest-ranking politicians like that. ...plus, Jiro is from space. Or something. I'm a little disappointed how Claude's and Jiro's confrontation played out. Not only does he make his escape from last episode's last scene offscreen, he also suddenly has his personal mecha. I mean, it's not like Jiro has any way to personally fight Claude right now, but still it's weird... Oh well, there was still rad mecha punching. ALSO somewhat underwhelmed how they handled the Devil Kikko situation (despite how absolutely WEIRD that was, but that's a given with this show anyway), but at least we found out for good that Emi really, really hates Kikko. Now that it's the end of the cour, the biggest questions remaining are 1) where exactly Jiro's dad stands, 2) which event makes Jiro an enemy of the Bureau, 3) what causes the much harsher political climate for superhumans (likely connected to 2) and 4) what the hell is up with Emi. Seriously, we know next to nothing about her, only that she has a special connection to Jiro and is some bigshot in the spirit world. She's obviously connected to Jiro's origins, whatever that turns out to be. In any case, she seems extremely untrustworthy. (Like, uh... basically everyone in this show.)
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Jiro was the "Little Boy" dropped by the Enola Gay on Hiroshima.
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Jiro is the bomb.
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lets hang out posted:Jiro was the "Little Boy" dropped by the Enola Gay on Hiroshima. I hope that's true, if only for the off chance that we get a villanous counterpart to Jiro called Fat Man
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They literally show the Enola Gay crashed at Hiroshima with Jiro in the crater.
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a kitten posted:They literally show the Enola Gay crashed at Hiroshima with Jiro in the crater. That makes it a little vague as to whether or not Jiro came from the plane or crashed the plane. I'd think it was the latter unless the situation in Nagasaki shows otherwise since Hiroshima looked to be relatively standing except for the gigantic shadow of a symbol created.
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My speculation is that Jiro was supposed to level the city, but for unknown reasons, something went wrong and he just took down the plane. But literally as I'm writing this(and also due to the above post), I realized I can also see it being the the case that the Bomb was dropped and some combination of bomb+baby+monster = Jiro. (and mostly unscathed Hiroshima) poo poo, is it spring yet? a kitten fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Whatever the case: so far, it seems like there has been NO atomic bomb dropped on Japan whatsoever; while there's definitely been a war USA vs Japan, we don't know much else. Little Boy obviously failed (I only saw the plane + Hiroshima title, didn't even notice the plane's name  ), but what about Fat Man? After all, Japan actually surrendered only after the second. (If they indended to earlier is something for historians to debate/find out...) What's the decisive event that takes Fat Man's place in this universe, and if it didn't happen, how else did the war end? I feel like this is a big piece of the puzzle we're missing right now. Buuuut it could also be that the show just deems that unimportant, and we'll never get any explanation.
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It's weird how cool everyone is with each other's reprehensible actions. The slavery, dissection, murder/frame up, and the poo poo Angel Stars and Imperial Ads did just kind of gets sidelined so everyone can have their Care Bear team up song. Still incredible in different ways because ConRevo is so good even the less than stellar episodes are stellar, but I don't know, it didn't seem right. Season 2 will probably get into the details of this stuff but as a place to leave the series for now I'm not feeling it. Plus, Claude totally had the right idea, completely unambiguously, but then he's suddenly evil right at the end? That was kind of weak. Jiro said he would save the tortured superhumans if he knew about them but he declares the guy doing something about it evil even though everything he did was one thousand percent justified until he started saying he was the opposite of justice for no real reason.
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well yeah Claude is evil, he was a mass murderer and released Evil Kikko. just because the people he killed also did heinous poo poo doesn't excuse stuff like the former.
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Evil Kikko hasn't really done anything bad aside from the requisite skimpy evil costume change and aside from his out of nowhere(but well animated and voice acted, I admit) speech right before Jiro beat him, Claude did absolutely nothing wrong either. If anything he was the most moral. At least we know Jiro finally comes around to agreeing, considering his eventual open hostilities with the government.
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WickedHate posted:Evil Kikko hasn't really done anything bad aside from the requisite skimpy evil costume change and aside from his out of nowhere(but well animated and voice acted, I admit) speech right before Jiro beat him, Claude did absolutely nothing wrong either. If anything he was the most moral. At least we know Jiro finally comes around to agreeing, considering his eventual open hostilities with the government. Well, there was that part where Claude was a mass murderer willing to kill anybody for revenge in the name of his brand of justice. He wasn't necessarily wrong in his ultimate goals, but the path he was building was paved with a hell of a lot of blood. Depends on how much you agree with "do evil unto evil" I suppose.
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I agree with do evil unto evil a lot, but even if I didn't, it's not just that. Like putting the killing aside for the moment, Claude was the only one actively opposing that shady, horrible poo poo at all until Jiro finally defected, which took him a little too long considering he just learned his dad framed and murdered his hero while Mengele-ing his bff. Apparently the only result of the Japanese experiments and the USA enslaving people in ghastly machines is more student protests, which they were already doing once or twice an episode already.
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Didn't Jiro accuse Claude of wanting to cause an outright war of humans versus superhumans? And he did incite further protests. It all seems a little tame, given what Jiro's dad and Master Ultima have been up to, but it's understandable that he needed to be stopped. It's really weird how the focus of Jiro's and Claude's conflict was about ideology, and not, I don't know, STOPPING HUMAN EXPERIMENTS ON A MASSIVE SCALE, JESUS gently caress Oh well - at least he had an impact. The Chief seems to have changed his opinion on the matter, rejecting the newest segregation law, and then there's obviously Jiro. I can see Jaguar sticking with the Bureau, since he co-founded it with the best intentions and might not actually be privvy to Ultima's little project, but I have no idea ho Jiro's dad is justifying any of this, or why Kikko sticks around. Truth be told, I'm a little anxious the show will just overlook this.
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