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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017


Quoth James Cameron,

"Nevermore"



Whybird posted:

Not gonna lie, if I'd been on the surrendering side I'd probably have been down with that too.

I mean, depends on if you get to leave the castle first imo

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013


Even in Scandinavia old growth forests are rare even though we have more hectars of forest than ever before, but most is production forest, even-aged monocultures of spruce and pine. In Sweden, only around 2 % (or thereabouts, forget exact figure) is old growth, a few dotted in protected reserves and the like around the country and largest areas of protected old growth forests are the subalpine forests near the mountains. But it is an issue which has received more attention since the 90s, was even worse during the middle 20th century.

Besides a scarcity in forest diversity, theres also a shortage of semi-natural grasslands (most diverse biotopes we have in Scandinavia) and wetlands because modern farming and forestry has reduced the need for meadows and pastures of various types (especially on meager soils in relatively dry places) and often replaced with forest monocultures.

Funnily enough if managed correctly roadsides and track beds are a great refuge for species adapted to drier open pastures and meadows, some plant species that have declined due to being specialised on one of the most diminised habitats, such as sandy poorer soils in dry and warm open pastures track their distribuiton pretty well with the modern railway network.

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






There has never been an abundance of wood in Scandinavia. One of the reasons why the vikings sailed to America was that they heard about the huge forests there.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Is there any old-growth forest left in Europe?

There's a tiny (less than five hectares) pocket of ancient oak 'forest' high up on Dartmoor on the sheltered side of a valley. It's the last remaining fragment of the forest that covered all of Dartmoor in the Paelolithic period, which also makes it the last part of the wild wood which covered all of England, albeit the non-typical upland part. Apparently the milder climate of the past century has caused the oaks to both greatly increase in individual size (they were originally stunted due to the difficult but just-about-tenable conditions) and overall areas.

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Civilization has been deforesting land for millennia. Some Roman industrial processes required charcoal, and they completely deforested at least one island and an awful lot of regular land, making it.

The karst mountain landscapes of the Balkan Adriatic coast are 'artificial' in the sense that they were completely deforested over the past 2000 years, of which the Greek demand for ship timber and Roman demand for charcoal played a large part. I've seen the 'factoid' put about that it was the demand for building piles in Venice that led to the stripping of Dalmatia but IIRC it's been shown that was just a major identifiable single 'customer' as part of a long-term process that had been going on for millenia.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos


Alhazred posted:

There has never been an abundance of wood in Scandinavia. One of the reasons why the vikings sailed to America was that they heard about the huge forests there.
Doesn't that describe most places with metal working or carpentry for houses and boats? The acres per cabin and acres per tool numbers can be completely insane and don't even get started on ships.

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Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



BalloonFish posted:

I've seen the 'factoid' put about that it was the demand for building piles in Venice that led to the stripping of Dalmatia but IIRC it's been shown that was just a major identifiable single 'customer' as part of a long-term process that had been going on for millenia.

Iím ok with anything that blames Venice.

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