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Alhazred posted:On the 9th of april 1940 german forces invaded Norway. The whole operation was a huge clusterfuck on both side. When the government learned about the invasion they decided on a partial military mobilization, the problem is that the rules for that was that the summoning of the reserve forces was done by mail. Which would mean that the brigades would be ready two days after the invasion. Norway didn't even know who was behind the invasion because both Germany and the UK had ships in Norway's waters. Then a minor airbase got permission to surrender to the german forces, but because of a mistake every airbase got the order of surrender. Luckily not every colonel obeyed orders. On the military base on Oscarsborg Birger Eriksen readied the canons called "Aaron" and "Moses". When he saw the german ship Blücher he said "Either I will be decorated, or I will be court-martialed. Fire!" Blücher sank and 1000 german soldiers was killed. After the war Eriksen was decorated with the Norwegian War Cross with Sword, French Croix de guerre and Légion d'honneur. imo what Eriksen said prior to the court marshal line should also be mentioned. Apparently a soldier asked him if they were going for real & he said "Visst fanden skal der skytes med skarpt!" I've always found it hard translating subtleties so I go with literal: "Sure as the devil, we're using live rounds" [with a tone of "wtf did you expect"] Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 01:14 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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Wheeling out museum pieces is pretty standard in wartime when every gun counts.
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Samovar posted:I've got a doozy for you all. Back in the days when electricity was a new-fangled thing, it's effect on biological tissues was famously observed when Alessandro Volta passed an electrical current through frog legs, which caused them to twitch. Give me the bone hurting juice and turn it all the way up!
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Platystemon posted:The century-and-a-half-old guns at Malta and Gibraltar could propel a one-ton shell beyond the speed of sound. I'm sorry, this might just be me not understanding military terminology, but Guns produced ca 1800 were able to propel a piece of metal weighing 2000 pounds to a hypersonic velocity? Is there a convenient place I can read up on this?
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Silly Newbie posted:I'm sorry, this might just be me not understanding military terminology, but Produced in the eighteen seventies, in service in the eighteen eighties. I rounded a little. Have a video tour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmi0PN7LxM I myself thought “WTF is Wikipedia wrong on this one? Doesn’t black powder have serious limitations on velocity that forced everyone into using heavier rounds moving slower?” But apparently mach one point four was doable.
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The wrecking of the Blücher also happened extremely quickly. She was spotted at 04:20, the main shore battery fired at 04:21, and the torpedoes were fired at 04:30 and hit at 04:34. So even though this movie sequence is condensed, it's not condensed that much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ79i11JSnU
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3D Megadoodoo posted:The thing about artillery is if it hits it hits. Yeah, the first high explosive round fired from "Moses" didn't actually explode, but it was still 345 kg of steel hitting Blücher's tower at a high velocity. The pressure wave alone was enough to kill everyone in the tower. Arban posted:The Torpedoes that actually sunk it where Whiteheads, aka the first torpedo ever designed. Carthag Tuek posted:imo what Eriksen said prior to the court marshal line should also be mentioned. Apparently a soldier asked him if they were going for real & he said "Visst fanden skal der skytes med skarpt!" I've always found it hard translating subtleties so I go with literal: Alhazred has a new favorite as of 08:39 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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Alhazred posted:Yeah, the first high explosive round fired from "Moses" didn't actually explode, but it was still 345 kg of steel hitting Blücher's tower at a high velocity. The pressure wave alone was enough to kill everyone in the tower. IIRC the torpedo battery commander was also a pensioner who'd retired back in 1927 and had come back to help train the students at the request of the fort commander.
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Alhazred posted:Yeah, the first high explosive round fired from "Moses" didn't actually explode, but it was still 345 kg of steel hitting Blücher's tower at a high velocity. The pressure wave alone was enough to kill everyone in the tower. Lord I can only imagine the mess that would have left if the ship hadn't been blown up and sank mere minutes later
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C.M. Kruger posted:IIRC the torpedo battery commander was also a pensioner who'd retired back in 1927 and had come back to help train the students at the request of the fort commander.
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drrockso20 posted:Lord I can only imagine the mess that would have left if the ship hadn't been blown up and sank mere minutes later I can’t imagine dealing with half a ton of UXO on a boat. I’m sure it happened a fair bit in WW2 and the damage control must have been terrifying.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I can’t imagine dealing with half a ton of UXO on a boat. I’m sure it happened a fair bit in WW2 and the damage control must have been terrifying. I meant more the chunky salsa the Nazis on that ship must have become from that pressure wave
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drrockso20 posted:Lord I can only imagine the mess that would have left if the ship hadn't been blown up and sank mere minutes later It actually burned for a couple more hours before sinking, with the fires further detonating a magazine for the anti-aircraft guns and blowing another hole in the hull. This was all compounded by a number of smaller guns also shooting up the ship at the same time, a secondary battery with smaller 15cm guns scored a number of hits that knocked out steering and firefighting systems.
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drrockso20 posted:I meant more the chunky salsa the Nazis on that ship must have become from that pressure wave
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Is it sparkling tho
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C.M. Kruger posted:It actually burned for a couple more hours before sinking, with the fires further detonating a magazine for the anti-aircraft guns and blowing another hole in the hull. And according to the commander they all sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland über alles’ while it sank.
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Alhazred posted:
The torpedo battery was built in 1901 but it fired torpedoes designed earlier. And while the guns were old, a 28 cm cannon at point blank is not something a cruiser wants to deal with.
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Arban posted:The torpedo battery was built in 1901 but it fired torpedoes designed earlier. I was interested in how much better modern guns would have been, and compared Oscarborg's guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_cm_MRK_L/35 with more modern guns of the same caliber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_cm_SK_C/34_naval_gun. The modern guns' rate of fire was about 7 times faster, and their shells penetrated about twice as much. The older guns wouldn't have penetrated a modern battleship's belt, but for a cruiser it was more than enough. And they could have wrecked a battleship's bridge as easily as a cruiser's.
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Momentum is what it is.
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Platystemon posted:Produced in the eighteen seventies, in service in the eighteen eighties. I rounded a little. This is fantastic, thank you.
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Silly Newbie posted:This is fantastic, thank you. If its an antique gun, there is a Gun Jesus video about it. 
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Silly Newbie posted:I'm sorry, this might just be me not understanding military terminology, but In addition to what others have said, he didnt state that it could shoot shells that were hypersonic, just that they broke the sound barrier.
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Arban posted:The Blücher had been commisioned less then a year earlier lol owned
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Roblo posted:In addition to what others have said, he didnt state that it could shoot shells that were hypersonic, just that they broke the sound barrier. Yeah, you are absolutely not getting hypersonic projectiles from a gun with conventional explosives, that’s basically railgun territory.
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Barry Foster posted:lol owned What's the fastest time from commission to sinking for any warship that saw combat? In other words, I'm not counting that ridiculously top-heavy wooden ship that some (Scandinavian?) king commissioned that sank as soon as it launched.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:What's the fastest time from commission to sinking for any warship that saw combat? In other words, I'm not counting that ridiculously top-heavy wooden ship that some (Scandinavian?) king commissioned that sank as soon as it launched. probably some submarine
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:What's the fastest time from commission to sinking for any warship that saw combat? In other words, I'm not counting that ridiculously top-heavy wooden ship that some (Scandinavian?) king commissioned that sank as soon as it launched. That stupid dead ship you're thinking of would be the Gustav Vasa of Sweden. Tells you a lot about the swedes, eh
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:That stupid dead ship you're thinking of would be the Gustav Vasa of Sweden. Tells you a lot about the swedes, eh The only time teekkarit were funny.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:What's the fastest time from commission to sinking for any warship that saw combat? In other words, I'm not counting that ridiculously top-heavy wooden ship that some (Scandinavian?) king commissioned that sank as soon as it launched. The Japanese aircraft carrier Shinano went a whole ten days from being commissioned to being sunk by a US submarine.
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vyelkin posted:The Japanese aircraft carrier Shinano went a whole ten days from being commissioned to being sunk by a US submarine. I hadn't realized that the Shinano was commissioned before she sank. I thought she was still a work in progress. 10 days is a pretty good time for this record, thanks!
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:That stupid dead ship you're thinking of would be the Gustav Vasa of Sweden. Tells you a lot about the swedes, eh Life is hard ok? And in moments of failure it's important to care for yourself and carry yourself through. You have worth. A small fault doesn't define you, you are beautiful. There are more ships to sail on more oceans, and if they sink or blow up, so what, its a possession, you can build another. Haters hate #bebetter
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vyelkin posted:The Japanese aircraft carrier Shinano went a whole ten days from being commissioned to being sunk by a US submarine. That whole class of ship was a disaster. There’s a reason the subtitle of the Milhist thread is/was “technically the Yamato helped defeat facism”
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The Vasa sunk in the exact right conditions to be well preserved so they raised up in mostly one piece centuries later and Stockholm has a museum where you can look at it.
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i've built better boats in minecraft
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There was that time the entire russian baltic fleet fought itself in the north sea while they were on their way to Japan in 1905? Some of those were probably new e: The above is a fun historical fact I just remembered, and initially learned from this thread. Thanks, thread!
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Roblo posted:In addition to what others have said, he didnt state that it could shoot shells that were hypersonic, just that they broke the sound barrier. I use big words gud. Totally meant supersonic and brain farted, my bad.
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Silly Newbie posted:I use big words gud. Just say "super duper". That works too.
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:There was that time the entire russian baltic fleet fought itself in the north sea while they were on their way to Japan in 1905? Some of those were probably new So what you're referring to is the Dogger Bank Incident, wherein ships of the Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron believed they sighted Japanese torpedo boats in the North Sea and began firing on everything in sight. What they actually saw was a bunch of fishing trawlers, but thanks to the fleet's unfathomably poor gunnery only one trawler was sunk and a handful of ships suffered damage. The incident is notable however for nearly precipitating a war between England and Russia, which was only narrowly avoided. For anyone interested in the "Voyage of the Damned" and their eventual annihilation at Tsushima, these are a good pair of videos on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpj6nK5ylo&t=1s
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The Indians recently had to delay actually deploying a their first nuclear missile submarine for almost a year, because while doing tests dockside after it was commissioned they tried to dive with a hatch open.
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C.M. Kruger posted:The Indians recently had to delay actually deploying a their first nuclear missile submarine for almost a year, because while doing tests dockside after it was commissioned they tried to dive with a hatch open. wait until you hear about polish submarines
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