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doverhog posted:Norway and Sweden have a defense policy against Russian invasion: knowing they have to go through Finland (or east Sweden as it used to be called) first. What do you think this border is? 
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doverhog posted:Norway and Sweden have a defense policy against Russian invasion: knowing they have to go through Finland (or east Sweden as it used to be called) first. These days we prefer to call it "ablative armor".
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May 9, 2021 12:08
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Carbon dioxide posted:What do you think this border is?
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May 9, 2021 13:23
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Carbon dioxide posted:What do you think this border is? Can you imagine any scenario in which Russia would invade through that spot which did not involve being at war with Finland first, or at least at the same time?
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May 9, 2021 14:56
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Finland just needs one good sniper to stop it
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May 9, 2021 15:14
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The good news, for Russia, is that they could just sail around and avoid that while Finland thing. The bad news, for Russia, is the Russian navy: 
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May 9, 2021 15:23
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Same in Sweden, several bridges with cavities to fill with explosives. Also why there are surprisingly few bridges in northeastern Sweden, and the few east-west roads up there are kind of crappy and crooked, with many inclines and considerable stretches over moors. These roads had pipes drawn underneath them to be able to be filled with TNT and blown up, further delaying a potential soviet advance.
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May 9, 2021 15:45
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Falukorv posted:Same in Sweden, several bridges with cavities to fill with explosives. Also why there are surprisingly few bridges in northeastern Sweden, and the few east-west roads up there are kind of crappy and crooked, with many inclines and considerable stretches over moors. These roads had pipes drawn underneath them to be able to be filled with TNT and blown up, further delaying a potential soviet advance. Also positions for assault guns to be driven into, next to roads. They'd only have to shoot in one direction. 
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May 9, 2021 15:48
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May 9, 2021 16:09
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I love that the Swedish defence doctrine in case of a full-scale Russian invasion from the sea used to be (still is?) pretty simple: just start driving all the Stridsvagn at the landing Russians as fast as you can and hope that there are many enough to stall the landing. Those things are extremely good at going forwards and shooting at things in front of them because that's their only role: either you stop the invasion or you get blown up from the air while trying. In either case there is no need for niceties like a turning turret. This in the optimistic case that thermonuclear warfare hasn't already broken out. Cold war was fun!
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May 9, 2021 16:36
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rip Strv103, too good for this world 
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May 9, 2021 17:21
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Also positions for assault guns to be driven into, next to roads. They'd only have to shoot in one direction. that thing looks like an assault gun but it's a tank barbecue at the folks posted:I love that the Swedish defence doctrine in case of a full-scale Russian invasion from the sea used to be (still is?) pretty simple: just start driving all the Stridsvagn at the landing Russians as fast as you can and hope that there are many enough to stall the landing. Those things are extremely good at going forwards and shooting at things in front of them because that's their only role: either you stop the invasion or you get blown up from the air while trying. In either case there is no need for niceties like a turning turret. This in the optimistic case that thermonuclear warfare hasn't already broken out. Cold war was fun! it wasn't quite as silly as it sounded. su didn't have that many landing capable units, so it could have been possible for sweden to stop the invasion if they threw all of their mechanized units, navy, and airforce against it
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May 9, 2021 18:05
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ChubbyChecker posted:that thing looks like an assault gun but it's a tank By any definition of assault gun that has ever been used, it's an assault gun.
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May 9, 2021 18:10
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3D Megadoodoo posted:By any definition of assault gun that has ever been used, it's an assault gun. 
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May 9, 2021 18:11
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That's a tank alignment chart, not an assault gun alignment chart.
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May 9, 2021 18:12
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ChubbyChecker posted:that thing looks like an assault gun but it's a tank The Strv103 was also capable of driving as quickly in reverse as it would driving forwards, so it was capable of doing a fighting retreat from one prepared defensive position to another. It’s a really cool
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May 9, 2021 18:14
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3D Megadoodoo posted:That's a tank alignment chart, not an assault gun alignment chart. I think you will find that it is actually a tank destroyer 
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May 9, 2021 18:27
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The Strv 103 was a tank, not an assault gun or tank destroyer; https://tanks.mod16.org/2016/08/19/stridsvagn-103-was-not-a-tank-destroyer/
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May 10, 2021 00:08
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Ensign Expendable posted:I think you will find that it is actually a tank destroyer i wonder, does the 151 km long road refer to a specific event?
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May 10, 2021 00:46
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Carthag Tuek posted:i wonder, does the 151 km long road refer to a specific event? The average Panther tank’s transmission life was 150km.
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May 10, 2021 01:20
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Impressive
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May 10, 2021 01:34
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LostCosmonaut posted:The Strv 103 was a tank, not an assault gun or tank destroyer; https://tanks.mod16.org/2016/08/19/stridsvagn-103-was-not-a-tank-destroyer/ I'd make an argument that it's a mobilized pike formation, since it attacks at long range with a piece of long, sharp metal. Oh, and it's amazing against horses, which pikes are as well.
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May 10, 2021 03:15
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Would Wargaming do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?quote:The Strv 103B is a Swedish tier 10 tank destroyer. https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:S11_Strv_103B
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May 10, 2021 03:28
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Sir, I don't make any pretences about our odds of winning this discussion, but it's about Sweden and Finland fighting the Soviets in the cold war and if you think we'll ever give up you can go straight to hell. It's a tank. https://i.imgur.com/aCWTG1l.gifv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnt6sxjUEEE Relevant bit at 19m30s
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May 10, 2021 05:04
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Should page that Swedish goon (thefluff) that hangs out in the scandi threads, he knows quite a bit about these tanks and I recall some past effort posts he made about the strv 103, its role, capabilities and under which doctrine it was planned for. Can’t remember if it was in one of the old military history or Cold War threads. Anyway, from that it was solidly a tank. Falukorv has a new favorite as of 05:37 on May 10, 2021 |
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May 10, 2021 05:29
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Falukorv posted:Should page that Swedish goon (thefluff) that hangs out in the scandi threads, he knows quite a bit about these tanks and I recall some past effort posts he made about the strv 103, its role, capabilities and under which doctrine it was planned for. Can’t remember if it was in one of the old military history or Cold War threads. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3872282&pagenumber=22&perpage=40#post489549773 thanks for the batsignal 
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May 10, 2021 06:53
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TheFluff posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3872282&pagenumber=22&perpage=40#post489549773 This is the post I was half-remembering above, thank you for writing it! e: I rediscovered this post about Swedish Radar MacGyver and it deserves to appear in this thread too since it is one of my favourite historical fun facts: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3872282&pagenumber=22&perpage=40#post489566959 barbecue at the folks has a new favorite as of 08:43 on May 10, 2021 |
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May 10, 2021 08:29
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Ugly In The Morning posted:The average Panther tank’s transmission life was 150km. And to the surprise of probably no one, actually repairing or replacing the transmission was a right pain in the rear end. You basically had to lift off a part of the hull roof armour at the front, remove the seats and various knicknacks inside, then get a crane powerful enough to lift the whole thing out of there vertically. Considering the opening is only barely larger than the transmission itself, that would be finicky and dangerous at the best of times, both going in and out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zguDtwk_Bs Meanwhile, with the Sherman you could pretty much just pop it right off of the front from the outside: 
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Sir, I don't make any pretences about our odds of winning this discussion, but it's about Sweden and Finland fighting the Soviets in the cold war and if you think we'll ever give up you can go straight to hell. drat that owns
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Perestroika posted:And to the surprise of probably no one, actually repairing or replacing the transmission was a right pain in the rear end. You basically had to lift off a part of the hull roof armour at the front, remove the seats and various knicknacks inside, then get a crane powerful enough to lift the whole thing out of there vertically. Considering the opening is only barely larger than the transmission itself, that would be finicky and dangerous at the best of times, both going in and out: how much did that bolted front armor weaken the shermans' protection
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May 10, 2021 09:05
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ChubbyChecker posted:how much did that bolted front armor weaken the shermans' protection Doesn't matter, they made enough spares to replace the lost ones.
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May 10, 2021 09:09
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In Dmitry Loza's memoires, iirc, he talks about having to post guards on the lend-lease Shermans overnight in friendly territory because passing infantry units were keen on looting the leather from the interior to repair their boots. Also, canadian units habitually stripped the .50 cals off their Shermans and used them in the infantry. If you look at photos of canadian troops you can see .50cals loving everywhere except on top of a Sherman.
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May 10, 2021 12:47
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ChubbyChecker posted:how much did that bolted front armor weaken the shermans' protection Not at all, it's casing is armor steel and is as thick as the rest of the frontal armor or thicker. You may shear off a bolt or two on an impact but there are more than enough of them for it not to matter.
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May 10, 2021 15:49
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread or not but does anyone have the quote from the guy visiting Constantinople and complaining about how he can't buy a loaf of bread without the baker getting in to a drawn out argument about whether the Son is equal to or subservient to the Father and Holy Spurit?
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May 10, 2021 16:17
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Kafouille posted:Not at all, it's casing is armor steel and is as thick as the rest of the frontal armor or thicker. You may shear off a bolt or two on an impact but there are more than enough of them for it not to matter. didn't the early war riveted tank armors have all kinds of problems, why didn't sherman's bolted armor have them? or was it just that the other tanks with riveted armor had much thinner and less round and sloped armor?
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May 10, 2021 16:18
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doverhog posted:Norway and Sweden have a defense policy against Russian invasion: knowing they have to go through Finland (or east Sweden as it used to be called) first. Sweden's defense policy against Russian invasion is to allow them free passage into Norway and then sell them steel.
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May 10, 2021 16:25
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Alhazred posted:Sweden's defense policy against Russian invasion is to allow them free passage into Norway and then sell them steel. Ah man you have changed it? I thought it was "join NATO while Finland is collapsing".
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May 10, 2021 16:30
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:In Dmitry Loza's memoires, iirc, he talks about having to post guards on the lend-lease Shermans overnight in friendly territory because passing infantry units were keen on looting the leather from the interior to repair their boots. The .50 cal on the early Shermans was installed directly above the only turret hatch, meaning that if you needed to bail out it got in everyone's way. The Soviets removed them as well in battle but liked to keep them installed when driving around, especially in the late stages of the war when rapid offensives quickly outran fighter cover. ChubbyChecker posted:how much did that bolted front armor weaken the shermans' protection The vertical cast bit in the front was significantly weaker than the upper front plate anyway, the bolts holding it on weren't a major detriment compared to that.
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Kanine posted:idk if its just because im an american who was raised fairly areligiously but the idea of people actually still giving a poo poo over whos catholic or whatever flavor of protestant or whatever in the year of our lord 2020 is absolutely insane nutso bonkers to me I know this is 24 pages late, but I’m catching up on the thread. When one of my friend’s parents married in the mid-80s, the grandparents weren’t sure it would work out because they were just too different: Irish Catholic on his dad’s side and Italian Catholic on his mom’s. We grew up in San Jose, CA, notable hot spot for religious conflict.
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The North Tower posted:I know this is 24 pages late, but I’m catching up on the thread. When one of my friend’s parents married in the mid-80s, the grandparents weren’t sure it would work out because they were just too different: Irish Catholic on his dad’s side and Italian Catholic on his mom’s. We grew up in San Jose, CA, notable hot spot for religious conflict. lmao good lord, were there 600 people at that wedding
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