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Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

I know from a museum I went to that Australian Subs had beer rations. According to a vet running the exhibit, trick of smuggling them out was to not change your clothes for a while, then chuck it in your laundry. The guy checking luggage would never look hard after smelling it.

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Oct 21, 2010




Ensign Expendable posted:

Yeah, problems that there's nothing else to drink. Drinking everything that's even slightly alcoholic has been a thing with enlisted men since probably forever.

That actually reminds me of one of my favorite 'soldiers trying to get drunk' stories, about the MiG-25 Foxbat

quote:

A final note against the aircraft was not exactly its fault. It required a high amount of maintenance after each flight, and since the Foxbat replaced many Soviet aircraft it was often operating out of existing bases. Unfortunately no corresponding increase in maintenance personnel was forthcoming, so some aircraft maintenance was neglected by the overworked crews. Further, the MiG-25 famously used a considerable amount of pure alcohol (500 litres) for cooling, hydraulic and de-icing systems, for its heat-resistant qualities. It wasn't called the "Flying Restaurant" for nothing. Since there were few entertainments permitted to enlisted men on base they frequently got drunk with it. Hardly ideal maintenance conditions for your nuclear bomber-interceptors.

Prophecy120
Feb 4, 2003

"Press F2 and put up your hands, scumbag!"

chitoryu12 posted:

Not even close. Wayne's World of Paintball in Ocala, FL.

Fair enough. We had a big event Saturday and those tables and benches look like the exact same setup.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


chaos rhames posted:

I know from a museum I went to that Australian Subs had beer rations. According to a vet running the exhibit, trick of smuggling them out was to not change your clothes for a while, then chuck it in your laundry. The guy checking luggage would never look hard after smelling it.

Alcohol was not uncommon in World War II.



This is the crew of a British Vickers Mk. VIB light tank (if you can call it that, since it was only armed with two machine guns) having tea and beer in North Africa, 1940. That strange looking can is Barclay's Export pilsner:



Some guys at MRE Info talking about it suggest that this was sourced locally, as to their knowledge the British weren't issued beer rations and pilsner was less common than porter and stout among the British at the time. However, the United States had canned beer as a special issue for combat troops to boost morale and even painted the cans in olive drab or other dull colors:



My own readings of accounts from Vietnam vets confirmed that beer was available for purchase in the theatre. This is a good link about beer and soft drinks there. Today, alcohol is a strict no-no in the theatre of war but non-alcoholic beer is available.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Родина слышит


ACES CURE PLANES posted:

That actually reminds me of one of my favorite 'soldiers trying to get drunk' stories, about the MiG-25 Foxbat




There are endless stories of officers trying to add poo poo to the ethanol to stop the men from drinking it and conscripted chemistry students discovering ways of purifying it again.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


HEY GAL provided some information on Spanish rations of the 17th century (the time she studies) and allowed me to post it here:

HEY GAL posted:

yo, chitoryu12, if you're still interested in what military forces from history ate, Carla Rahn Phillips has a detailed table of what early 17th century Spanish sailors' nutrition would have been like based on their rations, and it's pretty good, except for a lack of retinol, b2, and vitamin C.

(You can easily replicate this yourself, if you're still into that, with chickpeas, whole grain hardtack, and bacalhau.)

Fish days are because Catholic, cheese days are because when there's a battle or a storm, no open fires are allowed.

Despite the lack of vitamin C, Spanish observers almost never report scurvy. It's not a problem in the Atlantic fleets. According to a contemporary Spanish physician, "Spanish sailors, of all Europeans, have the least propensity to scurvy, which is only seen on voyages to our possessions in the Pacific." It's not a problem in Spain either: some Spanish called scurvy "the Dutch disease" because either only Dutch people got it or because Spaniards only got it once they had spent a long time in Flanders. Phillips thinks those guys would have been eating well enough when they were in Spain, with plenty of citrus fruits, onions, bell peppers, and garlic for every social level, that they could sort of "coast" on reserves from Spain to the New World.

There's one problem here, which is that the treasure fleet and war fleets travel in convoy and they load up with this in mind because it simplifies storage and logistics--so one boat will have all the cheese and one will have a thousand pounds of cider. If you get separated in a storm, better hope you're not the boat with all the vinegar on it and no meat!

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

In the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire was ravaged by the Thirty Years' War. In the middle of this chaos appeared a Japanese mercenary named Isaak. His fierce battle begins!


Spanish sailors. Soldiers get ~two pounds of pan de munition a day, because they're not stuck in a wooden box for a few months.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES


Ensign Expendable posted:

There are endless stories of officers trying to add poo poo to the ethanol to stop the men from drinking it and conscripted chemistry students discovering ways of purifying it again.

Maybe if officers spent less time poisoning the alcohol and more time making decisions that don't drive the enlisted to drink this wouldn't be a problem.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


Internet Wizard posted:

Maybe if officers spent less time poisoning the alcohol and more time making decisions that don't drive the enlisted to drink this wouldn't be a problem.

I'm thinking about how Soviet tanks could sometimes freeze up, resulting in a crewmember having to crawl under the tank with a giant blowtorch to warm the vehicle up enough to start. Combined with the general abuse of officers toward lesser soldiers, and you can understand the alcohol.

There was also an instance recounted in the military history thread (which I'll try to find) of Soviet soldiers shooting up a bunch of wine casks in a cellar with their submachine guns and going crazy filling their helmets with wine. They were found dead after drinking so much that they fell unconscious face-first into the pool of wine they created.

Edit: I just read the new Terminal Lance.

chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2015 around 02:10

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

It's a horrible name for anything really but especially a shirt.


chitoryu12 posted:

The galley for an Essex-class aircraft carrier is like a restaurant kitchen quadrupled or quintupled in size (I can post pictures later). The galley was responsible for preparing thousands of meals a day, and consequently had huge storerooms with freezers and refrigerators. Combine that with not being an impromptu setup in the field and rarely under threat of direct attack after World War II, and you've basically got a floating garrison mess hall.

Ooo, ooo, please post pics! My DFAC does upwards of 1000 people/meal, but we also get the convenience of a USFoods truck bringing us 3 deliveries a week (plus in a real pinch we've been known to borrow stuff from the other DFAC on base). I'm so curious what a carrier kitchen looks like, they must have walk-ins the size of my house.

Also, question for you, OP (or anyone): do they make specialty MREs, like kosher or halal ones? Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing an MRE that had pork in it. ... Y'know, I did a stint in jail, and we were never served anything with pork in it, because it was just easier than meeting individual inmate needs. I'll bet it's the same idea at work.

Fake edit: I stand corrected, there is Meal 16, "Pork Rib". I guess if you're in the field and don't do pork, you trade with someone? How does that work?

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


JacquelineDempsey posted:

Ooo, ooo, please post pics! My DFAC does upwards of 1000 people/meal, but we also get the convenience of a USFoods truck bringing us 3 deliveries a week (plus in a real pinch we've been known to borrow stuff from the other DFAC on base). I'm so curious what a carrier kitchen looks like, they must have walk-ins the size of my house.

Also, question for you, OP (or anyone): do they make specialty MREs, like kosher or halal ones? Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing an MRE that had pork in it. ... Y'know, I did a stint in jail, and we were never served anything with pork in it, because it was just easier than meeting individual inmate needs. I'll bet it's the same idea at work.

Fake edit: I stand corrected, there is Meal 16, "Pork Rib". I guess if you're in the field and don't do pork, you trade with someone? How does that work?

Kosher and halal MREs are made, though there was some protest last year when it was found that the military had not yet solicited new bidders for a kosher ration producer. There are I think only 4 vegan meals available. I think the halal meals are just vegan meals.

Here's the pics of the galley as I approached from the officers' mess:





ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010


JacquelineDempsey posted:

Also, question for you, OP (or anyone): do they make specialty MREs, like kosher or halal ones? Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing an MRE that had pork in it. ... Y'know, I did a stint in jail, and we were never served anything with pork in it, because it was just easier than meeting individual inmate needs. I'll bet it's the same idea at work.

Aren't vegetarian MRE's halal/kosher by default?

kafziel
Nov 11, 2009


ArchangeI posted:

Aren't vegetarian MRE's halal/kosher by default?

Halal, yes. All the restrictions are to do with the slaughter of animals for food, so anything vegetarian should be halal.

Kosher, no. There's restrictions on how old grain has to be and how long after planting fruit was harvested. And restrictions on cheese, if the meal is vegetarian but not vegan. If you're strict, then you also need a Jewish cook and/or a Jewish baker to have made everything you're eating, too.

BurningStone
Jun 3, 2011


HEY GAL posted:

Spanish sailors. Soldiers get ~two pounds of pan de munition a day, because they're not stuck in a wooden box for a few months.

"Ammo bread?" I hope that's just an old name for hard biscuits.

McSpergin
Sep 10, 2013


So I have just ordered an MRE out of my own curiosity, a Russian one. I'm slightly concerned after seeing the posts, but am interested to know how/where people are getting their American MRE. I can get Korean, and some European as well as the general ones from camping stores etc but am curious to try a few after reading this thread.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese


McSpergin posted:

So I have just ordered an MRE out of my own curiosity, a Russian one. I'm slightly concerned after seeing the posts, but am interested to know how/where people are getting their American MRE. I can get Korean, and some European as well as the general ones from camping stores etc but am curious to try a few after reading this thread.

You can buy US MRE's on eBay, there are people selling them on there from the UK so I imagine you can get the same from your country. You just have to watch out for the fact that MRE's are packed by the meal instead of per 24 hours like most other rations.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008




chitoryu12 posted:

This is the crew of a British Vickers Mk. VIB light tank (if you can call it that, since it was only armed with two machine guns) having tea and beer in North Africa, 1940.

That's an impressively modern-looking photo, somehow. I assumed at first it was reenactors or something.

Edit: ahh, from the bottom right it was originally black and white and someone coloured it in, I guess.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

In the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire was ravaged by the Thirty Years' War. In the middle of this chaos appeared a Japanese mercenary named Isaak. His fierce battle begins!


BurningStone posted:

"Ammo bread?" I hope that's just an old name for hard biscuits.

Literally, "GI bread:"


Edit: It's mixed wheat and rye unless the Spanish and Italians are quartered separately from other ethnic groups, in that case they get full-wheat bread because the Army of Flanders is humorously racist. What's your ethnicity, chitoryu12?

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


MikeCrotch posted:

You can buy US MRE's on eBay, there are people selling them on there from the UK so I imagine you can get the same from your country. You just have to watch out for the fact that MRE's are packed by the meal instead of per 24 hours like most other rations.

This actually brings me to a funny story. See this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaYRLwB05F8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfNw_mW2i58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE_EecWyPsA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve8V3kMzjVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjnKui9EnSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7yhjFKSpTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe7q4nNyM58

He decided that he wanted to do a video series showing an entire week living on nothing but ration packs. I was pretty excited, since he had a big variety of rations and I thought I would see some neat stuff. And he does indeed eat a French 24-hour ration in the series. Unfortunately, he made two crucial mistakes:

1. For day 3 he mistakenly bought a single MRE for the entire day.

2. He bought two different kinds of extreme survival ration, a Seven Oceans lifeboat ration and a Bundeswehr emergency ration. Both are basically just very dense bread-like products.

So inevitably, his experiment resulted in him growing steadily more exhausted and pained with every day's passing.

HEY GAL posted:

Edit: It's mixed wheat and rye unless the Spanish and Italians are quartered separately from other ethnic groups, in that case they get full-wheat bread because the Army of Flanders is humorously racist. What's your ethnicity, chitoryu12?

Half and half mix of Scottish and Polish.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010




chitoryu12 posted:

So inevitably, his experiment resulted in him growing steadily more exhausted and pained with every day's passing.

To be fair, that's kind of his thing at this point. Especially when he did the juice diet thing.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

In the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire was ravaged by the Thirty Years' War. In the middle of this chaos appeared a Japanese mercenary named Isaak. His fierce battle begins!


chitoryu12 posted:

Half and half mix of Scottish and Polish.
your bread needs to be the lovely kind then, since you are not fortunate enough to be one of God's Own People, the Spanish (or the Chinatown knockoff purse version of the Spanish, the Italians)

BurningStone
Jun 3, 2011


Ancient Roman and Greek soldiers generally got about 2 lbs of wheat a day, plus whatever they could buy or steal. Usually they boiled it. So you could try that, if you like boring mush.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


BurningStone posted:

Ancient Roman and Greek soldiers generally got about 2 lbs of wheat a day, plus whatever they could buy or steal. Usually they boiled it. So you could try that, if you like boring mush.

This Roman re-enactor has a whole cookbook of recipes that are posted on the website covering his character.

Edit: This is a recipe for that gruel:

quote:

Pulmentum
cup of really good wholemeal flour
pinch of salt
'some' water

The gruel of the plebs, soldiers hated it, but must have consumed it in quantity. Dump the flour in the mixing bowl and add the salt. Add water at a trickle, mixing briskly with pointy finger to get a soupy consistency, switch to a fork and, adding water, whisk the mixture to eliminate lumps. You do NOT want lumps in your pulmentum, believe me! When ready, pour into a hot pan on the stove or fire and continue to stir, add extra water if needed and try to produce a wheat-grain 'porridge'. Pulmentum is not easy to eat, but a nice dose of salt and a good, rich, tasty wholemeal flour will make it more palatable. Forget dormice and snails in milk. Most Romans ate this dish. My first batch was nauseating (too many snotty lumps), but my second was very nice due to a delicious flour mix!

chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2015 around 22:54

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006



Hair Elf


The slanty bit on that big pipe must be the source of many head-injury-inspired curse words.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

Did I predict the future?


Grimey Drawer

chitoryu12 posted:



There was also an instance recounted in the military history thread (which I'll try to find) of Soviet soldiers shooting up a bunch of wine casks in a cellar with their submachine guns and going crazy filling their helmets with wine. They were found dead after drinking so much that they fell unconscious face-first into the pool of wine they created.



Apparently this thing happens again and again in war. One of my CDs contains music by some kind of mysanthropic weirdo and one of his songs is allegedly based on a story of French soldiers during the Napoleonic wars looting a German farm and finding a wine cellar with lots of wine casks in it. They went crazy and just ripped everything open and drank themselves to death. The song then explains why this was God's punishment for their looting, but that's maybe a little bit biased.

SymmetryrtemmyS
Jul 13, 2013



That sounds like a better death than getting shot.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye



MrYenko posted:

When "drinking partially distilled torpedo fuel" doesn't even rate in the top five most dangerous aspects of your life, it's time to drink some loving torpedo fuel.

I want this on a t-shirt

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

It's a horrible name for anything really but especially a shirt.


"God Created the DFAC to Train the Faithful; a Vignette."
I'm not sure whether to post this here, in the industry thread, or the PYF Anti Food Porn. I'll go with this since I have the tab open.


code:
Scene: an Army DFAC's Holiday Lunch. All hands are on deck, alarms hooting, as our heros brace for a 1200 person lunch. 


REVEREND DEMPSEY
               Do you know of Chitterlings?... the
               assholes of pigs?

                          PAUL
               I have heard of it.
--
                     REVEREND DEMPSEY
               It is very dangerous... very smelly. The
               brothers eat it to see
               within (or some reason, god if I can tell).... 
	       There is a place terrifying to
               us... to white women in KP.  It is said a man will
               come... the Kwisatz Haderach... he will go
               where we cannot... Many men have tried...

                          PAUL
               Did they try and fail?

                     REVEREND MOTHER
               They tried and puked....
                    (she calls out loudly)
               Jessica! I need bleach for this drain!*

     Jessica enters immediately and sees with great
     relief that JD has not puked into the steri-sink.

Jessica is actually the name of the kitchen supervisor, so naturally this poo poo popped into my brain. Yes, we combo'ed Soul Food Day with our Xmas Feast, and made 500 billion pounds of Army-grade chitlins. I'm pretty sure the smell violates several Geneva Convention rules.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


Libluini posted:

Apparently this thing happens again and again in war. One of my CDs contains music by some kind of mysanthropic weirdo and one of his songs is allegedly based on a story of French soldiers during the Napoleonic wars looting a German farm and finding a wine cellar with lots of wine casks in it. They went crazy and just ripped everything open and drank themselves to death. The song then explains why this was God's punishment for their looting, but that's maybe a little bit biased.

This particular incident was documented in the occupation of Budapest in World War II.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

Did I predict the future?


Grimey Drawer


Yeah, this source seems a bit more reliable then old folktales recounted in weird indie-songs.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade


Ensign Expendable posted:

Yeah, problems that there's nothing else to drink. Drinking everything that's even slightly alcoholic has been a thing with enlisted men since probably forever.

There's a similar story about the Soviet airforce circa the MiG-25 Foxbat. It used ethyl alcohol as coolant, and they didn't denature it. I originally read about it in the Cold War thread in TFR, but apparently at the northern air bases in the USSR, aircraft were routinely unable to fly because so much coolant had gone missing.

I normally wouldn't link to the Christian Science Monitor but it's the first thing I could find.

http://www.csmonitor.com/1981/1203/120368.html

quote:

When Vikto Belenko reached the West, he related how officers and men often drank the alcohol used for the coolant and braking systems in aircraft. In fact, he told John Barron that the MIG-25 base he was assigned to north of Vladivostok was often immobilized, so rampant was the consumption of aircraft alcohol there. Observing that the MIG-25 needs half a ton of alcohol, Barron notes that in the Soviet Air Force it is popularly known as the "flying restaurant."

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

In the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire was ravaged by the Thirty Years' War. In the middle of this chaos appeared a Japanese mercenary named Isaak. His fierce battle begins!


The christian science monitor is, and has consistently been, one of the best papers in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C...table_reporting

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

I
ANALYZE
CARTOONS


Soiled Meat

Yeah, name aside they're a great paper.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



I've been trying to track down a DPRK ration pack for this thread (and so that I can eat it in honor of Best Korea), but I'm not 100% sure that they exist for the average soldier. I did find some info on NKNews: https://www.nknews.org/2015/09/tryi...-n-korean-army/

I would try to find some Chinese army rations, but after seeing what passes as cafeteria food here, I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Polyakov
Mar 22, 2012


I went to see HMS Warrior on the weekend, a british warship from 1860 with a crew of ~700, and i got some pictures of the mess areas to share, though to my shame i didnt get a shot of the sheep pen in the bows.















It is also interesting that while i wasnt able to get pictures (Light was awful and no flash allowed), of the cooking area of HMS Victory, a sailing ship of 100 years earlier of similar role and crew compliement, it is broadly of the same layout with regards to the actual galley; the food on offer did improve considerably, with actual bread as opposed to hard tack, albeit only some of the time, and the possibility of non salted meat (with the aforementioned sheep pen).

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


bringmyfishback posted:

I would try to find some Chinese army rations, but after seeing what passes as cafeteria food here, I'm not sure it's a good idea.

You posted this on a whim and as a result I just bought two PLA rations. We will be filled with regret.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



Grand Fromage posted:

You posted this on a whim and as a result I just bought two PLA rations. We will be filled with regret.

OMG your beard is full of mind powers.

EDIT: Filled with regret and huge amounts of oil.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade


HEY GAL posted:

The christian science monitor is, and has consistently been, one of the best papers in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C...table_reporting

Steve Yun posted:

Yeah, name aside they're a great paper.

I always wrote them off because of the name, happy to know that I was wrong for doing so! Thanks!

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

Potty Postin'


Grand Fromage posted:

You posted this on a whim and as a result I just bought two PLA rations. We will be filled with regret.

DEATH IS CERTAIN

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HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

In the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire was ravaged by the Thirty Years' War. In the middle of this chaos appeared a Japanese mercenary named Isaak. His fierce battle begins!


Shooting Blanks posted:

I always wrote them off because of the name, happy to know that I was wrong for doing so! Thanks!
yeah, the woman who founded that religion had a thing about good journalism.

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