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AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

Bear Witness

I did a search for North Korean combat rations and came up with this:



This is Instant White Rice, which according to what I read is pre-cooked frozen dried rice. You add water and it becomes regular rice. This ration is only distributed to soldiers on important missions and those assigned to escort higher ups. The regular soldiers get salt (?!) and misu powder, which is then mixed with water.



Here is dearly departed Great Leader Comrade Kim inspecting rations together with some generals. In the center you can see the stuff that came with the rice. Nobody outside of NK knows what they are but based on Korean food culture it's probably doenjang and ssamjang, two types of Korean bean paste.



Joyous day! Great Leader Comrade has seen fit to bestow the gift of cup noodle onto the masses.



No idea on what this stuff is, but Kim seems pretty into it.

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Samizdata
May 14, 2007


AnonSpore posted:

I did a search for North Korean combat rations and came up with this:



This is Instant White Rice, which according to what I read is pre-cooked frozen dried rice. You add water and it becomes regular rice. This ration is only distributed to soldiers on important missions and those assigned to escort higher ups. The regular soldiers get salt (?!) and misu powder, which is then mixed with water.



Here is dearly departed Great Leader Comrade Kim inspecting rations together with some generals. In the center you can see the stuff that came with the rice. Nobody outside of NK knows what they are but based on Korean food culture it's probably doenjang and ssamjang, two types of Korean bean paste.



Joyous day! Great Leader Comrade has seen fit to bestow the gift of cup noodle onto the masses.



No idea on what this stuff is, but Kim seems pretty into it.

You would eat anything too if you didn't have to poop either.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

Hey, salt as a base ration has a long, proud history. It's just kind of hosed that it's still a major component of a 21st Century ration, but it's vital to human beings living and it's one of the many things in less than abundance in NK.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



That's a weird color for doenjang, but maybe they're making it out of different beans? That yellow looks like pickled radish, the kind the author talks about in the article I posted. I agree that the red stuff is probably ssamjang, though (or really, REALLY lovely kimchi.)

McSpergin
Sep 10, 2013

Films rated M are recommended for mature audiences. Fifteen years... and older

The Korean rations I saw online might have been South Korean but were basically all different bibimbap with varied proteins

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

Bear Witness

bringmyfishback posted:

That's a weird color for doenjang, but maybe they're making it out of different beans? That yellow looks like pickled radish, the kind the author talks about in the article I posted. I agree that the red stuff is probably ssamjang, though (or really, REALLY lovely kimchi.)

Oh, danmuji. Yeah, probably that.


McSpergin posted:

The Korean rations I saw online might have been South Korean but were basically all different bibimbap with varied proteins

If they were recognizable as food then yeah they were probably South Korean.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

McSpergin posted:

The Korean rations I saw online might have been South Korean but were basically all different bibimbap with varied proteins

Yeah, I know those. They're all South Korean, though I can't confirm for myself that they're authentic rations. Apparently South Korea actually has a huge fascination with MREs to the point of a black market in rations. It's a black market because for some odd reason, it's illegal to import American military rations.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



chitoryu12 posted:

Yeah, I know those. They're all South Korean, though I can't confirm for myself that they're authentic rations. Apparently South Korea actually has a huge fascination with MREs to the point of a black market in rations. It's a black market because for some odd reason, it's illegal to import American military rations.

EDIT: Posted without reading the article first, sorry.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Clearly the son has moved onto researching a nutrient paste.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

toplitzin posted:

Clearly the son has moved onto researching a nutrient paste.



The pictures of him smiling or laughing at anything always give the impression (quite accurately, I think) of an overgrown baby.

I like that even Dear Leader doesn't get out of wearing a Dear Leaders flag pin.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

Bear Witness

What is with that dude's hair

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

AnonSpore posted:

What is with that dude's hair

Zayn Malik's undercut has far-reaching influence.

Hunterhr
Jan 4, 2007

And The Beast, Satan said unto the LORD, "You Fucking Suck" and juked him out of his goddamn shoes

I think I'm gonna make some hard tack and bacon. Last time was when reading Shelby Foote's Civil War trilogy. First time was in college when supplies... ran low.

mindphlux
Jan 8, 2004


toplitzin posted:

Clearly the son has moved onto researching a nutrient paste.



this really, really really looks like some extra heavy duty anal lube or something.

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010


AnonSpore posted:

What is with that dude's hair

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



toplitzin posted:

Clearly the son has moved onto researching a nutrient paste.



Is he watching the end result of his own liposuction or something?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

I
ANALYZE
CARTOONS


Soiled Meat

I'd be giggling if I saw something that goofy too

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.



bringmyfishback posted:

Is he watching the end result of his own liposuction or something?

I thought it was his snack of butterscotch pudding.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

I bet right after that picture was taken, he clapped his hands and giggled.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

I should wake up at 4AM to watch Australia lose


toplitzin posted:

Clearly the son has moved onto researching a nutrient paste.



Pretty sure that's sugar.

thetechnoloser
Feb 11, 2003

Say hello to post-apocalyptic fun!

Grimey Drawer

Gridlocked posted:

Pretty sure that's sugar.

Industrial lubricant, actually. (not a jokepost)

Nolan Arenado
May 8, 2009



thetechnoloser posted:

Industrial lubricant, actually. (not a jokepost)

So which came first, the industrial lubricant or the industrial lubricant machines that need industrial lubricant to run?

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



thetechnoloser posted:

Industrial lubricant, actually. (not a jokepost)

The recipient is on the right.

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.


Everyone is to the right of Kim Jong Un.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Who has two thumbs, speaks limited French, and hasn't cried once today? This moi!



Scientastic posted:

Everyone is to the right of Kim Jong Un.

Is it possible to laugh oneself to death? I'M IN TROUBLE


Chinese MRE has arrived.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?




Self-heating sausage fried rice.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

I should wake up at 4AM to watch Australia lose


Grand Fromage posted:



Self-heating sausage fried rice.



Your avatar and quote are relevant.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

sprinkles

You would tyink they'd feed the soldiers as best as possible in the field. Maybe the USA can make some money on the side selling MREs to countried we're unlikely to go to war with. As long as they bring back the wee bottles of hot sauce.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Родина слышит


The thing about the military is that "best as possible" is very limited by the "possible". You need something that you can make for cheap, ship far, and have it stick around in warehouses for as many years as possible. That kind of limits your food options.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

Ensign Expendable posted:

The thing about the military is that "best as possible" is very limited by the "possible". You need something that you can make for cheap, ship far, and have it stick around in warehouses for as many years as possible. That kind of limits your food options.

Yeah, I honestly can't think of any really better options than the technology in the MRE. Keldoclock (may he rest in peace) advocated for LRP and MCW dehydration rations, but those have the downside of requiring water for cooking. Considering that a gallon of water weighs 8 pounds (and 1 cup of water for rehydrating food weighs half a pound), you're likely going to be losing out on much of the advantage of lighter rations unless you incompletely rehydrate them or just eat them dry. If you're going to eat dry powdered eggs and dehydrated hunks of beef, you may as well survive on bags of nuts and candy. At least then it'll taste better.

The First Strike Ration the US uses is another example of compromises. The idea was a 24-hour ration that only takes up the weight and space of an MRE without requiring cooking. Technically, you can survive on it for short periods of time and it's definitely more convenient. But the shelf-stable pocket sandwiches are very dry; the ones I've eaten are basically the dense wheat snack bread from MREs with Slim Jims stuffed inside, with a very high bread-to-meat ratio. You lose out on a lot of the comfort (and from there, the morale benefits) of having a nice hot meal in a stressful situation. Nobody will choose bread and jerky over jambalaya, even if it's easier to carry.

The only thing I think the MRE truly loses out on in terms of being suitable for the military is packaging. Having individual packaging for all 3 meals (including cardboard boxes for each entree and optional side dish and a full accessory pack for each meal) makes one meal quite bulky, but even then I think it's a trade-off: extra bulk for extra coffee, sundries and toiletry products, and an easier time heating meals. I do think some foreign meals I've tried have higher quality food (that caramel hot chocolate from the British ration was amazing), but you can't have it all. Plus, the MRE components have an incredibly long shelf life. Try eating a commercial bag of Combos that's 5 years old and see how good it tastes.

hogmartin
Mar 26, 2007


This thread Owns As Hell and thank you to - I think - chitoryu12? for linking it in the milhist thread.

On my wish list is "Tea, rum, and fags", about sustaining the British army in WWI (http://www.amazon.com/Tea-Rum-Fags-...8/dp/075245000X). I haven't read it yet but it was highly recommended. My dad is a retired US Navy Supply Corps Captain, so the often overlooked, if not thankless and reviled art of delivering decent food to busy men in far-away locations is kind of fascinating to me. I was on submarines, so the details of packaged rations like MREs kind of passed me by. I remember getting pissed off when the Silver Dolphin Bistro transitioned from handmade food to frozen tray stuff We had some decent stuff on the boat, but like every other job, the cooks' efforts varied with morale.

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chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

hogmartin posted:

This thread Owns As Hell and thank you to - I think - chitoryu12? for linking it in the milhist thread.

On my wish list is "Tea, rum, and fags", about sustaining the British army in WWII (http://www.amazon.com/Tea-Rum-Fags-...8/dp/075245000X). I haven't read it yet but it was highly recommended. My dad is a retired US Navy Supply Corps Captain, so the often overlooked, if not thankless and reviled art of delivering decent food to busy men in far-away locations is kind of fascinating to me. I was on submarines, so the details of packaged rations like MREs kind of passed me by. I remember getting pissed off when the Silver Dolphin Bistro transitioned from handmade food to frozen tray stuff We had some decent stuff on the boat, but like every other job, the cooks' efforts varied with morale.

Do you still have that recipe card for that spinach cheese thing you posted there?

hogmartin
Mar 26, 2007


chitoryu12 posted:

Do you still have that recipe card for that spinach cheese thing you posted there?

I do: http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/j...on_q/Q06000.pdf
I tried to make it in normal human quantities for my sister and her fiancÚ over Thanksgiving and it came out pretty well but I used frozen vs. canned spinach. If you try it, definitely add salt if you don't used canned spinach. I used butter crackers but no additional butter and the crust came out fine.

It's basically just a butter cracker crumb, cheese, and bacon crust over spinach. I have no idea why I like it so much or why I've never seen it outside the Navy.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

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hogmartin posted:

I do: http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/j...on_q/Q06000.pdf
I tried to make it in normal human quantities for my sister and her fiancÚ over Thanksgiving and it came out pretty well but I used frozen vs. canned spinach. If you try it, definitely add salt if you don't used canned spinach. I used butter crackers but no additional butter and the crust came out fine.

It's basically just a butter cracker crumb, cheese, and bacon crust over spinach. I have no idea why I like it so much or why I've never seen it outside the Navy.

I think I'll add that to my list of military recipes for this thread, along with the 50s ration cards and a D-ration bar. Hopefully my girlfriend likes spinach!

hogmartin
Mar 26, 2007


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chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!

By the way, exactly how do you search for recipe cards on the Quartermaster site? I can pull up this PDF with a link to the index of recipes, but can't actually pull up any recipes themselves.

hogmartin
Mar 26, 2007


Honestly for that one, it's the first Google hit for 'club spinach'. Back in the 1980s my dad gave his stack of recipe cards to a friend who was a church pastor; there's probably a crazy-easy index to find them all but I don't know it.

The recipe cards are common through the DOD, so they're probably relevant to the thread as universal US military recipes (at least outside of conditions where you'd get C-rations or MREs)

The best I can recommend is to use the index at http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/j.../full_index.pdf and search Google for the recipe name and corresponding code or whatever. Searching for e.g. "noodles jefferson E 012 00" actually does pick up the relevant recipe card.

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Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

Donate money to feed poor goons.


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chitoryu12 posted:

By the way, exactly how do you search for recipe cards on the Quartermaster site? I can pull up this PDF with a link to the index of recipes, but can't actually pull up any recipes themselves.

Just Google the number in the right column.

Or the address is: http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/j...ecipes/section_{Letter}/{ID Number}.pdf

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Ensign Expendable posted:

The thing about the military is that "best as possible" is very limited by the "possible". You need something that you can make for cheap, ship far, and have it stick around in warehouses for as many years as possible. That kind of limits your food options.

And not every country treats its soldiers well. I had friends who did their service in the South Korean army and it's the worst. Forty guys in one barracks room sleeping on unheated bare concrete, the food is practically nonexistent and rarely anything more than a too-small portion of white rice and some seaweed floating in water as "soup". It's survivable so that's good enough for the ROK.

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hogmartin
Mar 26, 2007


Grand Fromage posted:

And not every country treats its soldiers well. I had friends who did their service in the South Korean army and it's the worst. Forty guys in one barracks room sleeping on unheated bare concrete, the food is practically nonexistent and rarely anything more than a too-small portion of white rice and some seaweed floating in water as "soup". It's survivable so that's good enough for the ROK.

That's kind of surprising since the ROK is a pretty prosperous country that seems to understand the deterrent value of its military. Did it seem to be a systemic disregard, or more of an old NCO 'gently caress those conscripts, it was good enough for me when I was a private' kind of thing?

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