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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Still, it's a goofy, cutey-patootie facial expression, which seems to be his trademark as Superman. Superman as a manipulative, Walter Keane level doe eyed boy who makes mankind feel bad for him, despite the fact that he punks them with his very existence, would be hilarious. S: Sowwy I bwoke up you city with my supow battow, Metwopowiss M:...it's... fine. everything... is fine. S: My pwanet is deeeeeead and now I'm awwww awone M:... there... there. do you... sigh... do you need a hug? S: yews, but I'd cwush you prolly, on account you aw so tiny and weak and I'm so powafuw M:...We're... er, sorry? --- I need to give Man of Steel another shot. I really liked the opening scenes in Krypton, but I watched it at home with a chatty group & the minute the big opening was finished everyone went back to gabbing, so I technically haven't seen it.
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I was specifically asking how Man of Steel alone references Jesus (which people have definitely shown good examples of). I'm not denying that there are parallels between Superman and Jesus in general, just trying to figure out why people feel like Man of Steel in particular went too far with it or something. I still think it adds enough twists to the references that it's not just providing imagery solely to show "lol look Superman is Jesus!!"
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Nov 13, 2015 17:36
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Watch it. If you were onboard with the stuff on Krypton, I'm guessing you'll like the rest.weekly font posted:I think they were posted in response to someone asking how the movie compares Jesus to Supes. I think Hundu is aware that I adore Man of Steel, and my overstuffing the OP with screenshots should make my enthusiasm for the new one clear. I didn't post the comparison as quite being about Jesus, but instead the "false god" comment, which reminded me of Superman being in front of the sun in the trailer and my curiosity about what that would mean.
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Nov 13, 2015 17:37
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Regarding those two screens posted, I liked that the hostility (the tank gun barrel) had been replaced by need (the outstretched, grasping arm).
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Nov 13, 2015 17:39
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Sir Kodiak posted:Watch it. If you were onboard with the stuff on Krypton, I'm guessing you'll like the rest. I probably would. I've liked everything by Snyder, save for Sucker Punch, which grated on my nerves something fierce.
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Nov 13, 2015 17:40
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The first shot, particularly, with him next to the sun rather than the sun giving him an aura is much more ambiguous. One is saying he is a sun god, the other is saying he is (potentially) a false god. A direct equivalence versus a 'forced' equivalence.
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Nov 13, 2015 17:40
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Anybody who thinks these shots approach 'bad' is insane. I think it's a lack of subtly that people have a problem with. sponges fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Nov 13, 2015 17:42
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Regarding those two screens posted, I liked that the hostility (the tank gun barrel) had been replaced by need (the outstretched, grasping arm). 
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Nov 13, 2015 17:42
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:I think it's a lack of subtly that be have a problem with. The movie about the guy with the big S on his chest should not be subtle.
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Nov 13, 2015 17:43
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The movie about the guy with the big S on his chest should not be subtle. That and goons tend to have a problem with subtlety in film. Or even lack of subtlety, going by the responses to Dark Knight Rises. "Why didn't Bane just kill Bruce in the Prison???"
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Nov 13, 2015 17:50
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Our grandfathers witnessed the infamous leotard-wrestling matches between Adam West and George Reeves. Our fathers cried when Christopher Reeve's accident cut short the highly anticipated confrontation with Michael Keaton that resulted the film being disastrously reworked as Batman Forever. Nick Cage refused to even show up on set after George Clooney sent him death threats. Fans were torn in two at the news of Kevin Conroy being beaten nearly comatose outside the recording booth by Tim Daly. Tom Welling was seen cackling with glee when the first season of David Mazouz's turn as the infamous Batman had a cold critical reception. And now two of the most popular, most beloved actors of the modern age, Ben Affleck and Hen Cavill, will meet in the ring to decide who survives to lead the Justice League against the Joker in the next film and eventually marry Gal Godot in Justice League 3. The other will be effectively erased from cinematic history. Not sure we've ever seen a high-profile conflict like this before. Who will win? My official prediction is Superman 76, Batman 62. Batman will open with some solid scoring from the perimeter but ultimately Superman's notoriously misaligned fingers will distract him enough to a series of breakaway dunks that break the game wide open. I don't think Batman has the lateral vision to defend well enough with that cowl.
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Nov 13, 2015 18:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The movie about the guy with the big S on his chest should not be subtle. The S stands for hope
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Nov 13, 2015 18:26
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:The S stands for hope It sure doesn't stand for 'subtlety' 
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Nov 13, 2015 18:28
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:The S stands for hope Heh. Maybe on your world...
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Nov 13, 2015 18:44
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I don't think you can dispute him on it, do you know Kryptonian? Heck, do you even knew about it before he told you about it? checkmate
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Nov 13, 2015 18:47
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Jor-El didn't have the heart to tell him that it's the Kryptonian symbol for "Adulterer" and that the House of El were branded thousands of years ago as horrible Lotharios.
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Nov 13, 2015 18:51
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haha, it's like when westerners get kanji tattoos thinking they mean "strength" and really it's "Tom Clancy's The Pelican Brief" or something like that.
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Nov 13, 2015 18:57
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There is a certain element of that in the film, although it's not emphasized. In real life, there was a trend for Mexican Americans to adopt the term "Aztec" to describe themselves even though they really have no connection whatsoever other than a faint genetic lineage.
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Nov 13, 2015 19:01
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Yeah, Clark does have a slight snottiness about him when he says that the symbol stands for hope, which isn't that far off from people who one day start embracing some heritage that they don't have a real cultural connection to and they don't really know much about. He, of course, gets this beaten out of him when the real Kryptonians show up. For better or worse, he's a child of Earth.
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Nov 13, 2015 19:10
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Honest Thief posted:There's also the seemingly swap of politics between Superman and Batman; what with Batman being more pro-establishment than MoS's Superman.
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Nov 13, 2015 19:36
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Baron Bifford posted:I don't remember any substantial political commentary in MoS. So far this Superman hasn't taken issue with how the US government runs the country. Superman literally destroys a drone being used to spy on an American citizen and tells the army to stop suspecting him just because he's of the same race as people who did 9/11.
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Nov 13, 2015 19:38
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All he's saying there is that he wants his privacy and independence. He doesn't condemn government surveillance programs in general. Nor does he ever say anything regarding taxation, military spending, foreign policy, welfare programs, police powers, etc. Is this Superman left-wing or right-wing? Is he religious or secular? Is he a conservative or a radical? He could be any of these things as far as we can tell. DC Comics has always bent over backwards to keep Superman as apolitical as possible. Back in 2008 DC did this mini-series DC Universe Decisions where various superheroes openly endorsed presidential candidates. Superman refused to tell anyone who he voted for, even his wife.
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Nov 13, 2015 19:50
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Clark Kent is an illegal immigrant who, thanks to having been raised in this country, claims to be "about as American as it gets." It's an explicit support for the basic philosophical underpinnings of things like the DREAM Act.
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Nov 13, 2015 20:18
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Baron Bifford posted:All he's saying there is that he wants his privacy and independence. He doesn't condemn government surveillance programs in general. Nor does he ever say anything regarding taxation, military spending, foreign policy, welfare programs, police powers, etc. Is this Superman left-wing or right-wing? Is he religious or secular? Is he a conservative or a radical? He could be any of these things as far as we can tell. He actually does take a position though doesn't he? "I'm as American as it gets" or something. I gotta say, it sort of hurt to hear a Brit say such things. I hear the Queen was livid.
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Baron Bifford posted:DC Comics has always bent over backwards to keep Superman as apolitical as possible. You should read some actual Superman comics. 
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Nov 13, 2015 21:23
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This could wind up being another one of those threads where I'm the one guy arguing that the cigar is just a cigar.
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Nov 13, 2015 21:25
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Baron Bifford posted:This could wind up being another one of those threads where I'm the one guy arguing that the cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a cigar is in fact a big throbbing cock. The trailers alone for BvS make it pretty clear that whatever Snyder is doing it isn't apolitical. Superman being apolitical is not actually a thing. Sometimes he represents the establishment (as in TDKR where he is literally working for Ronald Reagan) and sometimes he's counter-establishment (as in the modern comics where he's literally beating up corrupt cops) but he's not apolitical by default. Edit: Also Zach Snyder has stated in interviews that being an immigrant struggling to come to terms with his American identity is a central part of his version of Superman's identity ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Nov 13, 2015 21:28
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Baron Bifford posted:the cigar is just a cigar. And the movie that features Superman appearing before a Senate oversight committee is just an apolitical exercise
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Nov 13, 2015 21:30
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Baron Bifford posted:This could wind up being another one of those threads where I'm the one guy arguing that the cigar is just a cigar.  You're on your own.
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Nov 13, 2015 21:34
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More evidence of the sexual perversity that infests the House of El! HERESY!
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Nov 13, 2015 21:52
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ImpAtom posted:Sometimes he represents the establishment (as in TDKR where he is literally working for Ronald Reagan)
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Nov 13, 2015 21:55
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You're on your own. This made me think of Blazing Saddles, so I appreciate it. Plus it's flying dongs, so you know. 
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Nov 13, 2015 22:04
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Deuteronomy 23:1 (ESV) No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD. Heathens!
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Nov 13, 2015 23:39
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Skizzzer posted:Deuteronomy 23:1 (ESV) The Phantom Zone is science hell.
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Nov 13, 2015 23:57
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Baron Bifford posted:Frank Miller himself kind of negated that in The Dark Knight Strikes Again where he revealed that Superman was coerced into working for the government by Luthor and Braniac. More evidence that terrible sequels can in fact retroactively ruin something good.
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Nov 14, 2015 07:33
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Baron Bifford posted:DC Comics has always bent over backwards to keep Superman as apolitical as possible.  
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Nov 14, 2015 09:39
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Baron Bifford posted:Frank Miller himself kind of negated that in The Dark Knight Strikes Again where he revealed that Superman was coerced into working for the government by Luthor and Braniac. That matters not a single iota because there are literally decades between the two and in particular TDKSA is heavily political due to it being post 9/11 and that having a [i]tremendous[/i impact on Frank "went on to write Holy Terror" Miller. In the original story the political aspect is very clear.;
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Nov 14, 2015 10:04
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Everyone thinking Lex Luthor is racist because he's a bald white man who hates a black superhero is just perfect.
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Nov 14, 2015 10:07
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ImpAtom posted:You should read some actual Superman comics. I though the colours on my screen had melted then.
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There's a difference between referencing an issue and taking a position on it.
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