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Ligur posted:There is nothing going on.... dahhh... hurr... international laws and regulations... prevent everyong from doing... hurp... anything... *drools* Great posting again Ligur!
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Oldsmobile posted:Great posting again Ligur! Thanks man. However, what points do you disagree on in my post, if anything, and why? Can you explain it in any manner? I don't think you of course, you will probably just think about the moon nazis who are ready to descend upon us and ruin your way of life. edit 1: Hob_Gadling posted:We know. Go tell it to the swedes. Also this is quite  if you are saying "we" contains the (majority of) posters in this thread. If it were so, it would paint all the screaming and whining about my posts in the last FinPol thread in a very strange light indeed, as I've been mostly saying the same things for the past four years. It would hence appear that "we" do not know. edit 2: And lol It should not be possible!!!1 Dey r escapunging teh deathe!!112 And goddamn that almost all of the "immigrant skeptics" knew 10 years ago what our Sisäministeri Orpo just figured out right now kun paska on ollut jo kourassa. Ligur fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 21:47
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Ligur posted:Thanks man. No no, just 6/5 posting there, comedy platinum!
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Ligur posted:There is nothing going on.... dahhh... hurr... international laws and regulations... prevent everyong from doing... hurp... anything... International laws and regulations don't actually prevent you from doing border checks.
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Nov 11, 2015 23:01
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That's great news Ligur, but better not keep it here: I bet the scandipol would be a far better place to fully dissect that glorious event.
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Nov 11, 2015 23:02
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DarkCrawler posted:International laws and regulations don't actually prevent you from doing border checks. ligured
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hell, I'm ligured too
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DarkCrawler posted:International laws and regulations don't actually prevent you from doing border checks. They can be used to deny someone seeking asyulm if observed on the border, though. Which you won't probably know or will contest. But let's leave it to that. Rexroom posted:That's great news Ligur, but better not keep it here: I bet the scandipol would be a far better place to fully dissect that glorious event. Ahh, quite right... wait for a moment... hurr... *clicks keyboard*
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Nov 11, 2015 23:17
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Ligur posted:They can be used to deny someone seeking asyulm if observed on the border, though. Which you won't probably know or will contest. But let's leave it to that. Sweden isn't doing that, though. It's not even the first European country to utilize border checks, so I don't know what you're flipping about. This is actually positive to Finland, and organized registration and admittance of refugees is in itself a positive. It doesn't mean that Sweden is blocking anyone from applying to asylum in Sweden. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 00:36
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BrienneGetsHanged posted:the doom church
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DarkCrawler posted:Sweden isn't doing that, though. It's not even the first European country to utilize border checks, so I don't know what you're flipping about. This is actually positive to Finland, and organized registration and admittance of refugees is in itself a positive. It doesn't mean that Sweden is blocking anyone from applying to asylum in Sweden. Dude I love ligure's posting. Don't you like ligurs posting? It's great posting and I love it.
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Finnish Politics Megathread II: Ligur's viharunkku containment zone
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DarkCrawler posted:Sweden isn't doing that, though. It's not even the first European country to utilize border checks, so I don't know what you're flipping about. This is actually positive to Finland, and organized registration and admittance of refugees is in itself a positive. It doesn't mean that Sweden is blocking anyone from applying to asylum in Sweden. I'm not flipping about anything  Or if I am, what exactly do you think it is? Indeed Sweden isn't blocking anyone from applying asylum, just from drifting through. Which is a good thing, and for me is the gist of it: that is exactly why border controls are good in this situation. If the Danes did the same, and the Germans the same and so on down the line the whole self-made crisis would be over in a month. Ligur fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 08:29
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Ligur posted:I'm not flipping about anything I agree
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Mulli posted:I agree Don't lie. It's naughty.
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Ligur posted:I'm not flipping about anything Sure. Biggest problem of course is that they're not doing that in the south, just either pushing people through or building fences and their resources are exhausted. Have been for years. But I still find it funny how many people misunderstand the issue and are jizzing left and right because BORDER RESTRICTIONS OMG OMG THAT'LL SHOW THE BROWN HORDES WHO'S THE WHITE MASTER IN THIS HOUSE! Wait. That's not funny at all. And the media should report on the issue and not frame it wrong.
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Oldsmobile posted:Sure. Biggest problem of course is that they're not doing that in the south, just either pushing people through or building fences and their resources are exhausted. Have been for years. Do not injure yourself. God will not approve.
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Nov 12, 2015 10:42
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Just think of all the new markets border controls will create for human smuggling!
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Ligur posted:Do not injure yourself. God will not approve. Jumalauta, näillä lakeuksilla ei jumalauta pilkata Jumalaa
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doverhog posted:Just think of all the new markets border controls will create for human smuggling! Your business sense fails you. In a bad way. The whole business plan for the human smugglers has been that "there are border controls" - when there are not. They sell a dream, and convince people they have to pay this or that to get to the dream. There's stuff like smugglers selling expensive train tickets in god darn Malmö to the Finnish border because the comers don't know they don't even need the tickets (because they don't speak any local language so how could they check). The Swedish railways let them ride cheap if they wish so, but how could they know? The selling point for the time in the Middle-East is that "hay if u go to Germany, u will get nice house, job, blonde woman!" and how to make money out of it is then asking for anything between €500 to €15k in return for the trip and organizing one on some rickety boat or a suffocating truck. Most of the time, you could have just taken your own canoe if you dare the uneven oceans and paddle your rear end to Europe. Of course in that case drowning is a serious problem, so even if you know all of this you might want to dish some thousands for a safer ride anyway. But actual border control would kill the business save for a few specialists. Ligur fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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There is no "actual border control" that is able to stop people from getting through the Mediterranean to Europe any more then there is "actual border control" that is going to stop people from getting into U.S. from Mexico. There are plenty of border controls inside Europe (because the borders are shorter) but when the outer border is as massive as it is, boats will get through. Only measure to curb that is a common EU approach (money, resources, deals) co-operate with Turkey and the African countries for them to police their coasts and beaches to significantly cut down on the flow of people setting off here, and an EU sharing system that ensures that Greece and Italy etc. aren't the only ones dealing with the influx alone. Internal border controls alone mean that in the end the border countries are the only ones left with the responsibility, and that is where this whole poo poo began from.
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DarkCrawler posted:Internal border controls alone mean that in the end the border countries are the only ones left with the responsibility, and that is where this whole poo poo began from. That's what the burden sharing mechanism was supposed to solve, but as long as the outer borders are not under control it'll never work. As proven by the fact that out of the agreed initial batch of 100 000+ only ~150 have been moved so far, because all the recipient countries are too busy worrying about their own borders to give a poo poo.
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The joint European response has so far been all talk and no action (as detailed here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/11/eus-deep-dilemmas-over-refugees-laid-bare-at-malta-summit), and I dont see that changing anytime soon. Individual countries should just make an independent decision on what their response to this crisis is since no large plan seems to be forming. Hungary was right I guess. e: from the article: "The confusion over policy is made worse by the increasingly visible mismatch between what EU leaders say and do. A few weeks ago they promised to send 400 police officers to Slovenia to help with the influx. Only 33 have arrived. Of the 160,000 refugees they agreed to share in September – this is now EU law – 116 have been resettled from Italy and Greece. Months ago they also agreed to share 22,500 refugees taken directly from camps in Turkey and Lebanon. To date 132 Syrians have arrived in Liechtenstein, the Czech Republic and Italy. At every emergency meeting, ministers and leaders call for reinforcements for the EU’s border agency, Frontex. They then fail to supply the staffing, funding and equipment they promised."
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Double Bill posted:That's what the burden sharing mechanism was supposed to solve, but as long as the outer borders are not under control it'll never work. As proven by the fact that out of the agreed initial batch of 100 000+ only ~150 have been moved so far, because all the recipient countries are too busy worrying about their own borders to give a poo poo. Yes, and like said the outer borders will not be under control without Turkey/Middle East/Africa being given major concessions (since they would be the ones hosting even more refugees then they are now), also unpopular with the same countries that opposed the burden sharing. In addition you obviously need more money to patrol the ocean on both shores. It's going to cost either way, but the countries actually skirting their responsibilities are pretty much the same ones standing in the way of money being used towards a coherent response instead on an uncontrolled influx of people coming here.
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DarkCrawler posted:Yes, and like said the outer borders will not be under control without Turkey/Middle East/Africa being given major concessions (since they would be the ones hosting even more refugees then they are now), also unpopular with the same countries that opposed the burden sharing. In addition you obviously need more money to patrol the ocean on both shores. It's going to cost either way, but the countries actually skirting their responsibilities are pretty much the same ones standing in the way of money being used towards a coherent response instead on an uncontrolled influx of people coming here. So Spain, France, Slovenia and Molvania are standing in the way of money being used to control EU borders, you are saying? They, like, sabotage any attempts to do so. The evil capitalist hitler plan of the Belgians is to un-control EU borders!!!12
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kikkelivelho posted:The joint European response has so far been all talk and no action (as detailed here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/11/eus-deep-dilemmas-over-refugees-laid-bare-at-malta-summit), and I dont see that changing anytime soon. Individual countries should just make an independent decision on what their response to this crisis is since no large plan seems to be forming. Hungary was right I guess. Sounds like EU, right. Everyone who is surprised, raise your hands on one... two... four... NOW! There are so many layers as to why EU will not do anything about the migrant issue I can't count them, but if anyone thought "dahh, deh EU will comes and handele thes krisis!" there must be a certain amount of naive braindeath involved. When stuff turns as bad as it is now, everyone, like Sweden, is own their own. And frankly that isn't wrong, if Sweden and Germany didn't, basically, invite all the non-EU citizens storming the walls right now the migrants would not be here in any case. It's simply unbelievable to me the rest of the EU has simply viewed the scenario, slack jawed, doing nothing apart from random shouts of warning up to now. Norway and Denmark have issued warnings towards Sweden but the Swedes gave a poo poo, I fear just for the purpose of keeping SD out of government and to "show off at those who voted wrong" or whatever. Now? They are whining for "taakanjako" when the limit everyone with a head, no matter how simple one of a head, could foresee. I guess it really needed for the problems they created to start flooding over other borders for anyone to react. Unfortunately the reactions are still on the level of "yikes, how did this happen!"
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Ligur posted:So Spain, France, Slovenia and Molvania are standing in the way of money being used to control EU borders, you are saying? They, like, sabotage any attempts to do so. I completely agree with all these words here
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Ahh. I just had a plate with this Sir and he could not agree more with the opinions of BGH.
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Ligur posted:Ahh. I just had a plate with this Sir and he could not agree more with the opinions of BGH. nauroin olen 12
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Ligur posted:Ahh. I just had a plate with this Sir and he could not agree more with the opinions of BGH. Someone sponsor that guy a free luxury vacation here on the condition that someone follows him with a camera all the time. 
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Ligur posted:Ahh. I just had a plate with this Sir and he could not agree more with the opinions of BGH. Please don't doxx me
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Olin kerran kaupassa töissä. Papereihin piti aina lisätä asiakkaan nimi. Eräs asiakas oli venäläinen Паска. Kiitos että luitte tarinani.
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Hogge Wild posted:Olin kerran kaupassa töissä. Papereihin piti aina lisätä asiakkaan nimi. Eräs asiakas oli venäläinen Паска. Surname Pissareva?
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Ligur knew. So, when the same in Paris happens to us, whats the end game
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punakone posted:Ligur knew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YE74KHoOUw
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Dear Lord. We're in for at least three weeks of Islam is a religion of peace pieces and erikoisasiantuntija's explaining this has nothing to do with said religion. YLE and HS offices must on overdrive right now. When Charlie Hebdo happened someone at the YLE office leaked out the whole crew was running around being worried if it paints Muslims in a bad light, will this increase racism? The Paris thread is already full of people whining how all religions are equally bad. Which I will believe when there is a "Christian State of Heaven" destabilizing whole countires while torture-murdering children and robed guys with symbolic nails through their fists shooting up restaurants shouting "JESUS IS GREAT!" but there aren't. Sigh. Some even speculated "right-wingers" might be behind this. Seriously this sub-forum is a nest of lunatics indoctrinated by I don't even know what. Some kind of Cult of Political Correctness or some weird poo poo, what ever it is I don't like it as it makes people unthink, and unthink hard. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ligur posted:paranoid rant Muslims suffer the worst from extremist islam dipshit.
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Looks like Paavo Väyrynen is getting his citizen initiative over the 50 000 signature milestone any moment now. And a couple of months in advance, too.
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Ligur posted:Dear Lord. We're in for at least three weeks of Islam is a religion of peace pieces and erikoisasiantuntija's explaining this has nothing to do with said religion. YLE and HS offices must on overdrive right now. When Charlie Hebdo happened someone at the YLE office leaked out the whole crew was running around being worried if it paints Muslims in a bad light, will this increase racism?  I know what else were also at least three weeks for
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OgO posted:Muslims suffer the worst from extremist islam dipshit. OgO apparently did not read newspapers after Hebdo if he thinks I'm "paranoid", then it took less than a day for the first papers to publish columns directing the blame everywhere else but the obvious. After the "Islam is a religioun of piece" or something to that effect colums and lausunto's we will also get a social media and regular media full of self-righteous and condescending OgO's stating the obvious as some sort of a response. I intented to include stating the obvious in the last post but eventually forgot. Yes. Everyone knows Muslims suffer the worst of their own extremism. Shithead. That you think this is some kind of a "revelation" you need to dish to others (in indignant anger to boot) shows just how stupid you are yourself. This does not make it any more tolerable or ok that after Europe has naively opened it's borders to Muslim migration over the years they bring the Midde-East with them. edit: Hahahaha, Stubb apparently already said an "Allahu Akbar" cry or two shouldn't lead to conclusions, what did I say... DarkCrawler posted:
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