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Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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I'm willing to bet a small bottle of Jallu (*) that government breaks up before christmas.

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Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Juha was on sick leave, what six months before the election. He didn't say anything at all during that time. And his popularity just kept rising and rising. It was so bizarre.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

Then there's the thing that meanwhile these things were pretty "ok" 10 or 25 years ago (and in some places, even now) we are now bankrupt.

I'm quite sure your solution is to shoot the rich.

Well, if we are bankrupt and shooting the rich is out of options, then I'd suggest that we shoot everyone over 55 years old. That solves our unemployment and pensionproblem by kertalaaki.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Finnish Politics Megathread II: Ligur's viharunkku containment zone

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hey Ligur, do you fancy a pint? I'm buying. I'm certain that our internet personas are just distilled essence of our real life personas, so I'm curious what kind of a whiny scared bitch you are in real life.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hogge Wild posted:

social democaracy can't exist with open borders

Yes, what we need is a sort of "national" socialism, if you will.

I have an idea. Instead of making all kinds of limits and borders for people, why won't we make limits and borders to capital? Maybe people wouldn't wouldn't be so willing to blow themselves up if they wouldn't have to race themselves to the bottom every day just to make a living.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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konna posted:

What in the world. I want the happy drugs you are having.

You don't want these. These are very sad drugs.

And I see you didn't say I was wrong.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hogge Wild posted:

maybe if people stopped worshipping moon gods they wouldn't blow themselves up
"Religion is the opium of the people" said old Karl-M. Why do you think those moongod worshipping people need that opium?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Geriatric Pirate posted:

So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality

Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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I think Supo is still spying on Kekkonen's enemies.

"Ahti Karjalainen has been really quiet last couple of years. He's bound to be up to something!"

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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I have special abilities, I can read Juha Sipilä's mind. He is thinking: Kuulkaa, sanokaa nyt minkälainen semmoinen tiktaattori oikein on?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

That misogynist part was perhaps the most hilarious.

Yeah, that part is wrong.

You don't actually hate women, but you don't actually care about those women either.

What you do care about is brown cock.

Ergo, you're not misogynist, you are a latent homosexual.

but for real, why do only care about muslim rapes? shouldn't you care about all rapes? unless you are, you know, m-word and r-word

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

How on earth did you end up on this conclusion?

Well, I haven't seen you ranting about non-muslim rapes for several pages, for instance.

And you defended Timo "hevosen kyrpä" Hännikäinen, who harassed rape crisis center.

I only judge people by their actions.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

jesus loving christ, you judge people on the basis of what you assume they say, as for "Hevosen Kyrpä" he hosed up up for sure but it needs a special type of loonie to think this guy would go about molesting women in real life

So it's ok to harass and bully women online, if you don't rape them irl?

Truly, defender of womankind art thou.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Ligur posted:

IIRC some punk wanted to meet me in this thread for a beer so he could properly observe how cowardly I am, but didn't like his options after learning I teach people how to kick and punch.

That was me and offer still stands. We live in a different parts of the country so of course setting this event is difficult.

And I am tougher guy than you because I dare to walk streets at night even though I can't kick or punch for poo poo.

Ligur posted:

I just don't give a poo poo.

Like the world's biggest :ironicat: Hopefully you have donated hefty sum for womens turvakoti, oh defender of women?

So how about some Finnish politics? Why our current government gets away with all their enormous lies and gently caress ups? How we have come to this point? Jäätteenmäki and Ike had to leave for much less incompetence.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hob_Gadling posted:

What's the alternative?

Government that doesn't lie and gently caress things up.

If you think that is impossible then I have to ask: why haven't you committed suicide?

An honest question. If everything is going to be poo poo forever and communism is an impossibility, what is the point of living? You know it is just going to get worse, why wait that.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
Finnish independence is a joke. There isn't a single year in our "indenpendent" history, when we didn't take orders from either Germany or Russia.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
Well look at you, real income earner.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Pussy Noise posted:

Beep boop I am a rational robot.

When did "rationality" started to mean "being a super oval office"?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
Finnish Politics Megathread II: Nettoveronmaksajat and true Hitlers

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Hogge Wild posted:

stubbi on täysi paska, mutta antifantit harjoittaa enemmän katuväkivaltaa ja toisten mielenosoituksien yms. demokraattisen toiminnan tukahduttamista kuin normifantit

Lolloti lolloti, mitä luulet että tapahtuu jos vaskistit pääsevät valtaan? Joskus ihmiset teeskentelevät, luulis, että olisit sen muijaltas oppinut.

And Ligur, here your are ranting and raving about rapes made by brown cocks. Have you still donated money to Naisten turvakodit?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Hogge Wild posted:

nyt pitää ihan tarkistaa, kun tällä aukiolla ei voi olla varma

luuletko siis todella että dosentti bäckman, syöpäsäätiön ikkunamaalarit, pyörätelinemiehet ja muut antifasistit ovat se syy miksi fasistit eivät ole vallassa?

Eikun mä kysyin, että luuletko, että fasistit vallassa ollessaan olis nössömpiä vainoajia kuin antifasistit. Sä et vastannut, vaan väänsit uuden kysymyksen.

Eli kysyn uudestaan: " luuletko, että fasistit vallassa ollessaan olis nössömpiä vainoajia kuin antifasistit"


Ligur posted:

Voi vitun spede, siis nämä on asioita joita oikeasti on tapahtunut ja tapahtuu. Koko ajan enemmän. Poliisi.fi huutaa hoosiannaa koska ei enää oikeasti riitä porukkaa valvomaan näitä hörhöjä ja riitä partioita valvomaan muita rikoksia. Koko aika menee vatvomassa näiden tulijoiden keskinäisiä sotkuja ei ihan yhdellä paikkakunnalla. Mutta sua kiinnostaa paljon enemmän olenko minä kiinnostunut "ruskeasta kikkelistä", kuin se, että noissa VOKeissa jengi käytäyttyy ihan miten sattuu, sen lisäksi, että raiskailee sinne sun tänne niinku oikeassa maailmassa, eikä vaan sun internetissä.

Jumalauta.

No hei vitun simosalminen, miksi sä et raivoo valkosella kikkelillä raiskaavia vastaan näin paljon? Miksi? Onko valkosen kikkelin raiskaus (joita on 99% kaikista raiskauksista) ihan ok? Miksi se haittaa sua vähemmän?

I'm guessing it's because you're racist, who cares about rapes only when you can say that people from Middle East and Africa are evil.

But hey, maybe I am wrong! Feel free to tell me how you actually deeply care about sexual violence that women face every day from the whole of male sex?

I'll wait.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Ligur posted:

You do understand that certain groups actully do practice sexual assault a whooole lot more than other groups. Sitä ei pidä mitenkään arvottaa, tai ihmetellä sen enempää jos ei halua. Se vaan on niin.

Yeah, men do about 99,9% of rapes in this country. You seem to be upset only a minority of rape cases. Why is that?

Ligur posted:

That is really weird poo poo about women facing sexual violence from men "every day" in Finland. They don't by and large

Hey man, if you choose believe that what can I say. I have talked to women about this issue and they have really different view about this. But hey, maybe you as a male know better about this. Women, am I right?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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I'm really looking forward to our centennial celebration at 2017. Will there be a similar mood as in the first independence day?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

What do you think, is this government more incompetent or mean?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Hogge Wild posted:

minä vältyin joutumasta poliisien ampumaksi sillä tavalla että join kaljat kotona enkä mennyt heittelemään sikoja niillä

“Ideology is not constituted by abstract propositions in themselves, rather, ideology is itself this very texture of the lifeworld which ‘schematizes’ the propositions, rendering them 'livable.’ […] Which is why, if there is an ideological experience at its purest, at its zero-level, then it occurs the moment we adopt an attitude of ironic distance, laughing at the follies in which we are ready to believe - it is at this moment of liberating laughter, when we look down on the absurdity of our faith, that we become pure subjects of ideology, that ideology exerts its strongest hold over us. "

-Slavoj Zizek. Living in the End Times. London: Verso, 2011. pp. 3-4.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

Indeed, I was inspired by all the people like you who write about nazis who stürm the Finland, so I went to find out. I really wanted to see a real, hard-core, extreme right-wing nazi-march assault while sieg heiling, just to see if the talk and fear is real.

Nothing like that was evident. It's not real. It was mostly working and middle class men and women, from 18 to 50 year olds, walking peacefully, no flags, no ideology.

What is the point of non-ideolgical marches? "Look how indifferent we are to things! We have no opinions at all!"

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Valiantman posted:

Scouts at least are ultra-dangerous nazis. I mean, look at them, they have blue shirts!

When I was in high school I saw local scouts having their scout march.

It is quite a sight to see vaahtosammutinsized kids march in unison holding torches and singing "Sinun puolestas elää ja kuolla / on halumme korkehin!".

Nazis or no nazis, I don't think it's right that some 8 year old sings how he really, really wishes to die for Finnish flag some day.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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By the way, nobody ever answered me how much more sossuraha I get if we start deporting more people.

If the answer is 0 then why should I care?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Rappaport posted:

Enää ei tarvitse pelätä puna-armeijan panssareita ja köyhien päälle voi avoimesti sylkeä. Siitäkös suomalaiset nauttii!

Finns are strange people. When given the opportunity to either make your situation better or your neigbour's situation worse, most will gladly (and eagerly) make their neigbour's situation worse.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hogge Wild posted:

even if you would do it, that doesn't mean that everyone would

Strange that you hang out in this thread when you haven't actually talked to a single Finn?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hogge Wild posted:

eipä kyllä yllätä että sinä ja sun kaveripiiri koostuu pelkästään sen kaltaisista ihmisistä

Kerropa mieluummin omasta itsestäsi ja kaveripiiristäsi, sen sijaan että arvailet mun frendien vaikuttimia. Vai menikö tunteisiin?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Hogge Wild posted:

ei tässä mitään arvailla tarvitse kun kerroit että kaikki tuntemasi suomalaiset haluavat vain pahaa toisille, ja minä en tunne ketään sen kaltaista

No toivottavasti et sitten äänestänyt hallituspuolueita.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Now that year is nearing it's end, what do you think was the best and the worst in Finnish politics 2015?

Best:

Hilarious antics of the perskeko-cabinet. Every day is a magical mystery tour with these guys.

Worst:

All the violence related to asylumseekers.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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quote:

Sillä rahalla, minkä nyt satsaamme turvapaikkaralliin, voisimme auttaa kukaties miljoonaa pakolaisleirillä olevaa.

Well hell I'm all for it. How much more kehitysapu do you think we should give, Ligur?

Or since you are so good at kicking rear end, maybe we should get ourselves to Syria to show those illiterate goat herders how a real Man does war.

Also tell me the best and the worst in 2015.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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yle.fi/uutiset/valkoisen_suomen_puolesta_taisteleva_jarjesto_aloitti_katupartioinnin_joensuussa/8568968



You know, street patrol is such a boring name. Why not add some nobility and high mindedness by calling it a "guard"?

You could even add a prefix "white" to it so everybody knows what is your skincolor.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

The usual suspects will just reduce even that to nazis this and that even though the people involved weren't, and keep on the fetishist charade where the new comers can be of no fault, and the only real problem we have is... yeah, TEH NAZI CONSPIRACY!!12

This is the reason why I wonder what do you get out of your daily dozen or so turvis/suvakki/matu-posts.

Beacuse it's been done. You know, I know, we all already know the beats of the discussion by heart. Nothing can change the opinions of either party.

And yet you keep doing it. Over and over and over again. Why? What can be so rewarding in it?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

Also ur wrong. My opinions change all the time.

Well now I'm curious. When was the last time?

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Ligur posted:

I'm still curious about what your stance is regarding the new comers overworking our police force, harassing girls etc.

Well if the police is overworked, we should propably give them more money and hire some of those policepeople that are on the dole at the moment. That should propably be the first thing to do if crime is on the rise. But I suppose worrying about our crippling debt is more patriotic these days than making people more secure. But I'm old fashioned like that, I don't think people should succumb to the finances. This isn't some Civ-game where there is 100 policeworkunits and when those are up, no more police can't be made.

And harassing girls, well http://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/rikos/artikkeli/poliisi-ylivieskan-torkea-raiskaus-oli-keksitty/5631996 Some much of it seems to be invented by dudes who like to hatefap to brown cocks. I'm pretty sure harassment happens, but that's what men do. I keep asking why these muslimrapes are worse and why aren't we as vigilant about harassment and rape made by born and raised finnish boys but nobody answers.

And you know, if people break the law, they should be punished. I get the feeling that you think these people should be punished just in case or just throw them to sea or something, because they *will* do something bad no matter what.

Ligur posted:

I was also a bohemian hippie, then a green voting "suvakki" etc.

Not even Jussi Halla-aho (pbuh) keeps this facade up anymore, you can quit too.

But you know, we've through this so many times. I bet the next thing you do is going to be bringing up many rapenews, statements of the police (who for some reason can't be racist) and ramblings of some local man who saw a brown dude outside the fence of VOK and is convinced those mahomettians are going to pillage and burn his house.


BrienneGetsHanged posted:

Thank you for reading all this useless text about immigration. I haven't really added much to the conversation, but wished to take a few minutes out of my day to point out how you can write a bunch of useless text. Length of text doesn't matter. Instead, try to focus on saying something true, new, and interesting.

Yeah. If you can say something in a word, use one word. If it needs a sentence, use sentence. If it needs a paragraph, use a paragraph. Don't use a loving paragraph, if you really needed just one word.

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Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

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Darkest Auer posted:

And the religious indoctrination that perpetuates those literal centuries of war will of course magically go away once they reach a Western suvakkila.

Yeah it's not like they are humans. Instead of regular thoughts, like "man this war sucks" or "boy I sure am hungry" or "I could really use a coffee and a cigarette now", they have thoughts like "ALLAH ALLAH MUHAMMAD MUHAMMAD RAMALLAH RUHOLLAH DING DONG BING BONG" which is ancient Arabic and roughly translates to "we must destroy the infidel society by infiltrating it and then raping all their women".

I mean why else would they come here?

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