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I have half a year of school coming up in San Diego (LCS pipeline). Is there anything stopping me from getting a gig barbacking on the weekends?
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The skills won't help you, only the crudely learned lessons. What's your degree and do you want to do something with it? My experience is with the Navy and it's draw will be that you pick a designator before heading off to OCS. This is probably only advantageous if your trying to leverage your service as experience in a specific field (Medical, Engineering Duty Officer, Civil Engineering Corps, or mmmmaaayybbee Information Professional). Otherwise, you should consider the available jobs and what is important to you for living. For example, the Air Force is known to have the best accommodations but in the worst places. Army and Marines sometimes have to sleep outside and if you're proud of your expertise and training, it is reported to be secondary to fitness, leadership and PowerPoints. The Navy is most likely to send you to a 'cool city' or a nice beach, but your experience there will probably be driving through it to work absurd hours and starting at it from the flight deck.
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May 23, 2019 23:16
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Worst places? Are you high? Army bases are in buttfuck nowhere, whereas the AF has las vegas, Hawaii, gulf coast, etc Those places are also buttfuck nowhere, but point made--Army bases are also in nowhereville and in disrepair. And the bases themselves are all better than Navy bases. Edit: corrected bumfuck to buttfuck.
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May 23, 2019 23:34
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Kraftwerk posted:What are the best and worst jobs you could have as an officer in the marines? Like where do the ones who didnt do well get sent? And where would you rather be if you can choose the job? What would you be doing if you were commissioned as a marine infantry officer? Not a Marine, but the vast majority of initially commissioned officers (academy, ROTC, OCS, Platoon Leaders Course), in the Marine Corps, except for JAG (and maybe some other rare direct commission I dont know about) will all start as 2nd Lieutenants, who are called butter bars because their rank insignia looks like a bar of butter. The only way to avoid that is to enlist and stick around long enough (8+ years)/do well enough to go warrant officer or limited duty officers, who, if they work like Navy LDOs, are not destined for command of a combat unit without a change of MOS (designator). quote:Also I noticed a lot of enlisted members seem to look down on OCS and ROTC officers as “butter bars”. Is there anything a junior officer can do to not be a complete rear end in a top hat? I’m assuming it involves letting the NCOs ease you into things before you start pulling rank on everyone without knowing wtf? Every officer will answer this differently, but luck, grit, practice, and humility are key factors. Luck, because the nature of being a commissioned officer is being placed in situations you weren't necessarily prepared for your entire career. The goal is to make a person to preempts and responds to adversity, so you will consistently be moved as soon as you get good at your job (or sooner). The wrong challenge at the wrong time and there's nothing you really could have done to save face. You can't control luck, but you can make your own. Grit, because you are responsible for people and they will sense your weakness and its impact on their chances of survival or going home at a reasonable hour. Many officers confuse this and instead exude bravado. Practice, because 2ndLts are new to their job and the enlisted under your cognizance will have more experience. Even if a 2ndLt is great at one thing, the breadth of skills means they'll suck somewhere. An officer motivated to improve and demonstrate that improvement consistently will move away from being the leader their Marines and Sailors think will get them killed. Some officers try to fake this I think, because most of the systems that a traditional HS-straight-to-college pipeline educated individual reward bragging. Your college application/frat/short-term-job/class performance all benefit or are neutral to you signaling more competence than you have. You're not getting fact checked daily for two years by experts in most of those roles, but you will as an officer. Humility, because a junior officers' subordinates have generally seen somewhere between 2 and 30 JOs before you on a nearly daily basis for years at a time, and will observe any commissioned officer. Basically, they're trained to spot bullshit, have been doing it longer than most new officers can fathom, and if you're suave enough to get away with it, you probably joined the National Guard in some MOS that never activates. So know that enlisted Sailors and Marines are Subject Matter Experts and know more than you, that your time isn't inherently more valuable, and respect them even if they're being shits.
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Sep 19, 2020 16:55
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What do you want to do in the military, why do you want to do it,nand why do you want to do it on the military? Non-ROTC options are OCS (strangely, the Navy doesn't call it 'enlisting in OCS, though technically you do enlist, so I thought they were messing with you, but it's probably branch vocabulary differences. There is also ODS (officer development school) for direct commission for doctors, lawyers (JAG), etc. I think engineering duty officers (might be reserve only) go through ODS. An enlisted recruiter can guide you to the right people easier than ROTC recruiters can for any branch but the Army because the other branches utilize instructors with no personnel training for their ROTC recruiters.
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Wrennic_26 posted:that generates value, and thereby goodwill, for your organization and the people around you, and (especially for officers) STRINGENTLY avoid doing things that drain value or hurt others, even if they are tied to some high-minded ideal of discipline or whatnot. On this topic, know that most "indicators" of good discipline are symptoms not causes. If you try to force it you can end up with a rotten false core that will implode. As Wrennic said, find that loop and then (and only then really) start to bother about helping others find theirs. There's a dance to it--being outwardly focused enough advertise your subordinates accomplishments can buy your subordinates credibility that becomes the breathing space they need; but there's always someone in there actually making sure people get what they need, not just advertising it. Ensure that people are taken care of and are protected from the capricious whiplashes of their directors. Success stems from that core and can only exist temporarily without it.
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