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If they brought back BFG I would consider giving GW money again. I played few games with proxy models way back when, but never actually got around to collecting a fleet. By the time my body was ready for painting of space ships the game was long gone. Then again, x-wang is way more fun than what I recall from BFG so... I would like to see them bring back Necromunda, because then I could bring out my Scrunt Gang again. I used to play it as Van Saar, but all the minis were genuine Squats. :P But yeah, doubt this is real.
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Nov 12, 2015 08:39
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Vermintide, Warhammer Total War, Warhammer Diskwars and Chaos in the Old World are all death thread approved purchases. Warhammer Quest, Warhammer: Invasion, Blood Bowl Team Manager and Warhammer 40,000: Conquest all require a penance of three scrunt jokes and one possum picture.
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Nov 12, 2015 08:48
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Is Blood Bowl Team Manager really bad? I haven't played it but I liked the concept.
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Nov 12, 2015 08:52
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I wouldn't say it's bad, just lacking a bit of polish. It has a bit of a slow start, it has a semi-deck building mechanic for your line-up but there are so few shuffles for them to take effect, team upgrades can start to snowball, and there's not much in the way of a catch-up mechanic. That said, the game comes with a rules for a short tournament, where everyone gets to start with some team upgrades, star players and you play for less rounds. That's a lot better in my mind. Rather than focusing on the gradual build-up of your team, you just get to play some quick rounds of kicking Skaven into the dirt, grabbing a couple of upgrades just in time for the final round.
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Nov 12, 2015 09:11
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Ooh, maybe they are being back these specialist games but the GW catch is they all use the same 4 page rules format as AoS, so we get five flavors of sigmar just with different minis.
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Nov 12, 2015 09:11
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I just checked GW: Perth and they've got the same image up as well. Still, a lot of peoples' view of these old games is influenced by nostalgia - I played Necromunda back when it came out (and BFG, epic 1 and 2 etc) and enjoyed it a lot. But, I played a few games earlier this year and it's the same old clunky ruleset as 40k (with a few bits glued on) with dreadful campaign rules. In a group of 4, by then end of the 2nd game, the guy who won both games was so far ahead as to be untouchable, and the one who lost both was in such a poor state, starting a new gang was the better option. Having played Infinity and Malifeaux for that scale of game, the old GW offerings are just not up to standard any more: if they do a complete re-write and bring a modern, balanced ruleset to the table that would be something. But we all know that if this isn't a hoax they'll just half-arse it and re-release the old rules with even more over-priced models (as there not mainstream, there 'Specialist' games now).
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Nov 12, 2015 09:19
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FrostyPox posted:I'm hearing that GW stores all across Australia are posting on their Facebooks that GW is creating a new "Specialist" games studio to continue development of LotR and bring back BFG, Bloodbowl, Necromunda, and Epic Really looking forward to Blood Bowl: Age of Nuffle
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Nov 12, 2015 09:23
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The guys at my FLGS are pretty big grognards and would be way more likely to play Necromunda than Deadzone, but they'd also just be likely to use their old models. But man oh man if they had an Epic starter set under $200.
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Nov 12, 2015 09:52
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is Blood Bowl Team Manager really bad? I haven't played it but I liked the concept. I liked it the first time I played it and have liked it less and less each time I get it out. I think my main issue is that there aren't enough meaningful decisions to make and the game lasts just a bit too long. Highly recommend trying before you buy if you do want to get it.
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Nov 12, 2015 10:39
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In regards to frost grave, the campaign rules are pretty solid with one exception about direct damage xp. Wandering monsters are an optional rule, and the rule book encourages you to make your own table with whatever miniatures you have. It's not a barrier to entry at all.
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Nov 12, 2015 11:10
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I'll need to check if i still have it, but if you are in the UK, I'll mail you my copy of BBTM free of charge, PM me if you want to try out the game.
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Nov 12, 2015 14:02
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Why would anyone sane get into BFG now when we are about to get DFC is beyond me. Dumb nostalgia I guess.
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Nov 12, 2015 14:04
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Not a viking posted:Why would anyone sane get into BFG now when we are about to get DFC is beyond me. Dumb nostalgia I guess.
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Nov 12, 2015 14:07
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Not a viking posted:Why would anyone sane get into BFG now when we are about to get DFC is beyond me. Dumb nostalgia I guess. Probably. I used to play Imperial vs Chaos with my brother when I was a kid and it was good fun. Cool-looking minis too.
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Nov 12, 2015 14:15
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It's stunningly unlikely we'd see BFG back now, given Games Workshop just licensed it for a computer game.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:01
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Necromunda is the only GW game I still own, even though I haven't looked at it in years. I have a huge soft spot for it and played it for years after I stopped anything else. I honestly don't see though what they could release for it that would make me want to spend money on it particularly if its all just reprints and rereleases. Conversely Infinity continues to lure me back into war games by being the game I wanted Necromunda to be.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:11
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Someone in the SG thread mentioned that the guy probably confused the video game department with the actual miniature game department.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:14
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Imagine if GW had a department dedicated to interacting with the fan base and potential customers to share information in a clear manner such that there was no confusion or mixed messages and the company spoke with one voice.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:22
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imagine if there was someone at GW to realize it's reached a point where a rumour that they might do good things their customers want is instantly flagged as total bullshit.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:32
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Saint Drogo posted:imagine if there was someone at GW to realize it's reached a point where a rumour that they might do good things their customers want is instantly flagged as total bullshit. GW Death Thread 2015 - 2016: Good Guy Games Workshop
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Nov 12, 2015 15:58
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Gravy Train Robber posted:In regards to frost grave, the campaign rules are pretty solid with one exception about direct damage xp. Wandering monsters are an optional rule, and the rule book encourages you to make your own table with whatever miniatures you have. It's not a barrier to entry at all. Can you expand on this? I still haven't gotten to play Frostgrave but was thinking of doing a small campaign over the winter with some friends.
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Nov 12, 2015 16:55
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on Facebook RE that announcement regarding specialist games:Games Workshop Belconnen posted:Yes Lee , there was an official announcement from our CEO Another person on GW Beloconnen's Facebook, presumably not a GW employee (so they probably know more than the GW guy does ZING) said this, however: quote:"SG will not be how it used to be. This team will almost be like a FFG within FW producing our old favourites, not everything is a board game, imagine other classic tabletop games getting an update, doesn't mean they have to change into a boardgame format. Specialist Games ARE coming back, only with a slightly different name with an updated product and not under the direct (incompetent) control of GW." I'm still very skeptical.
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Nov 12, 2015 17:21
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quote:within FW can't wait for $50 apiece resin gangers that have fewer casting flaws if you buy them from china On the other hand, coming out of FW, the rules might be merely mediocre.
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Nov 12, 2015 17:28
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Ryoshi posted:Can you expand on this? I still haven't gotten to play Frostgrave but was thinking of doing a small campaign over the winter with some friends. Out of the book, wizards get exp from killing, but not from casting spells. This means magic schools that deal direct damage (elementalist) lvl up faster, while cool schools like illusionist don't level nearly as fast. There is a Frostgrave thread in TG if you want house rules to combat this.
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Nov 12, 2015 18:41
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Not a viking posted:Out of the book, wizards get exp from killing, but not from casting spells. This means magic schools that deal direct damage (elementalist) lvl up faster, while cool schools like illusionist don't level nearly as fast. There is a Frostgrave thread in TG if you want house rules to combat this. You do get XP for casting spells. Its just that you get more for killing dudes, and most for killing enemy wizard. The house rule is basically "no kill xp" which puts all schools of magic on level playing field, and they get rewarded for doing their respective wizardy stuff.
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Nov 12, 2015 19:40
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I wonder if this means they'll eventually go after people like the NetEA/UK folks who have been keeping their games alive all this time.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:28
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C'mon, we all know they're just going to drop another round of deluxe limited edition nostalgia sets with small run boxes of 5 mans with a few gear options, and everyone will rush to snap them up because THIS will be the last time ever. There's no chance they'll bother updating the rules because that would damage the old timey value and bewilder geriatric grognards. Same with the illustrations. Oh, and every real and future sale of necromunda et al will hide the gently caress up games workshop made with age of sigmar.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:43
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JerryLee posted:can't wait for $50 apiece resin gangers that have fewer casting flaws if you buy them from china My favorite part about failcast was the complete removal of any remorse over ordering Chinese knock-offs. If the Chinese can re-cast old metals in resin and sell them at 1/5th the price, GW has NO EXCUSE.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:14
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KobayashiMaru posted:My favorite part about failcast was the complete removal of any remorse over ordering Chinese knock-offs. Their excuse is that they're paying their workers real wages, which actually kind of is an excuse. GW sucks, and their prices suck, but they've made a moral stance by keeping production in the UK that's like the one thing about their company I can sorta respect. It's not the only thing keeping their prices high so it's not like complaining about them is without merit, but comparing them to stuff produced at near-slave wages is not really reasonable.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:01
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Ultiville posted:Their excuse is that they're paying their workers real wages, which actually kind of is an excuse. Fair, but what's the excuse for the poor quality?
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Nov 12, 2015 22:05
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So how does the Death Thread handle something that appears to be actual good news from GW? I bought Calth (and a poo poo ton of communist resin) and honestly I'd buy in on Epic, Necromunda and BFG if they were done even reasonably well.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:05
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always assume the worst until proven otherwise
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Nov 12, 2015 22:07
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Moola posted:always assume the worst until proven otherwise Good point. Thanks for talking me down Mr Skeltal.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:08
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Games Workshop is doing something unexpected, but it's weird that that alone has suddenly made a bunch of people hopeful and optimistic and caused them to assume that the end result of it all will be good.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:11
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np I hope GW doesnt do something good tbh in the unlikely even that I feel joy I will immediately curl up into a ball and dissolve
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Nov 12, 2015 22:12
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How I'm handling it: Assume GW will gently caress it all up as they always do when they finally have something that might resemble a good idea. In the unlikely event that it's all very well done, I'm a big enough person to admit and I might even give GW money, predicated on the logic that I don't give GW money cuz they're dumb and bad and have dumb and bad ideas that are executed dumbly and badly, so if the have a smart and good idea and execute it smartly and good....ly then I will give them money. My Magic 8 Ball is telling me "don't count on it, Games Workshop will gently caress it up and continue to suck poo poo until they die". That's literally what the 8 Ball says.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:13
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Well let's be clear. This isn't exactly a product announcement. If you read carefully, what's being announced is that Forgeworld is going to create a team, and that team is going to create some products, and those products are going to be based on "some of" GW's former Specialist Games properties, and the team will be "looking at" Necromunda, BFG, Epic, and Blood Bowl. That's a very far cry from actually saying they're going to re-release any of those things. At best, we can say it's a positive sign that GW is aware it has some old properties which customers are interested in. But Forgeworld is a branch of GW that is all about high-priced, limited-release or resin "collectors" models of stuff. Forgeworld is where GW has traditionally relegated factions like Chaos Dwarves that it doesn't think would be profitable enough to bother making in plastic. Forgeworld appears to be staffed by some cool people and it has made some cool products, but it's also the place where you go to spend several hundred dollars on a single resin miniature. We don't know who will be on this team. We don't know what their budget will be. We don't know what their timeline for products might be. We don't know how much oversight they'll have. We don't know if Kevin Rountree is going to micromanage them and overrule their decisions, or if they'll have a lot of free reign. And most importantly, we don't have any drat idea what revisiting those old properties actually could mean. For all we know, the "revisiting" of Necromunda could produce a product similar to the way Dreadfleet "revisits" Man-o-War; vaguely thematically related and otherwise a totally different (and much worse) limited-release product with no follow-on support, poor rules, some cool models, and not worth the retail price.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:14
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Leperflesh posted:At best, we can say it's a positive sign that GW is aware dear god...
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My biggest worry is on Epic - E:A was one of maybe two genuinely good rulesets they ever made. They're going to change it, and it's going to be worse.
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