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I for one am angry the character is the show doesn't look like the character in the books I never read. Will stop watching the show etalian fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Nov 24, 2015 23:23
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OK but the plot and characters are nothing like BSG and as far as I know they're staying true to the source material, soooo. I mean maybe they wanted the visual style to be similar but it didn't seem that way to me watching the first episode.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:26
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I can't believe how similar The Wire and iZombie are. Cars, buildings, 21st century Earth and Police. Not to mention using the visual style of blue sky, asphalt roads and America.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:28
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Noctone posted:OK but the plot and characters are nothing like BSG and as far as I know they're staying true to the source material, soooo. I mean maybe they wanted the visual style to be similar but it didn't seem that way to me watching the first episode. Yeah I don't want to be misunderstood as saying this show is basically BSG!  , the plot seems to be very different, however I got a BSG and Caprica vibes from it myself.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:29
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Fair does.  It'll become a lot clearer one way or the other as we see more episodes.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:30
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Anyway, I like the show- I hope I'm out of the hospital by the 15th so I can see the next episode, but these wicked-sick burns that Na'at is laying down on me might take a while to heal 
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Nov 24, 2015 23:32
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Edit: gently caress, first time I've done the quote/edit thingNoctone posted:Fair does. Yeah, as soon as I saw the word "alien" in the spoilers I figured it would have to pull away
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Nov 24, 2015 23:33
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The real BSG stuff doesn't start until later books when you get to see 1 character having mysterious hallucinations You could argue in the vaguest sense that both shows have a theme of the created rebelling against their creators.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:35
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Speaking of The Wire, Cutty has a pretty significant role in The Expanse.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:35
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And speaking of iZombie so do vomit zombies
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Nov 24, 2015 23:42
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Na'at posted:I can't believe how similar The Wire and iZombie are. Cars, buildings, 21st century Earth and Police. Not to mention using the visual style of blue sky, asphalt roads and America. They both really explore addiction and the consequences of it to a larger city. 
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Nov 24, 2015 23:50
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Na'at posted:And speaking of iZombie so do vomit zombies This is why people should read the books completely fresh. The  factor when you first reach it.
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Nov 25, 2015 00:10
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KatWithHands posted:This is why people should read the books completely fresh. The The whole series goes full Cronenburg.
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Nov 25, 2015 00:23
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I'm picking the first couple books up this Friday, I want to be in the know
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Nov 25, 2015 01:23
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Bert Roberge posted:The real BSG stuff doesn't start until later books when you get to see 1 character having mysterious hallucinations
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Nov 25, 2015 02:34
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Combat Pretzel posted:Except that these hallucinations stem from alien nanotech messing with Holden and not some mysterious God with a penchant for reruns. it's hard sci fi without mystical bullshit elements
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Nov 25, 2015 03:26
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KatWithHands posted:I actually got much more of a Pillars of the Earth vibe from it, with the sketchiness of the time-lapse and the build-up in the music. But maybe that's because I've been watching it recently. I legitimately had no idea they made a television adaptation of The Pillars of the Earth and now I have something to watch while anticipating the Expanse.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:35
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Vanderdeath posted:I legitimately had no idea they made a television adaptation of The Pillars of the Earth and now I have something to watch while anticipating the Expanse. It was pretty decent if not great and had al swearengen as a corrupt bishop.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:37
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etalian posted:I for one am angry the character is the show doesn't look like the character in the books I never read. When you hear the name Ade Tukumbo do you really picture 
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Nov 25, 2015 05:55
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etalian posted:it's hard sci fi without mystical bullshit elements _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ the aliens are pretty magical; magic portals in space; able to turn off 'fusion' in an area; zombies etc; turning a planet into a huge space ship thingy; violating the laws of inertia; reactionless drives. ain't exactly hard sci fi. _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____
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Nov 25, 2015 06:01
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Vanderdeath posted:I legitimately had no idea they made a television adaptation of The Pillars of the Earth and now I have something to watch while anticipating the Expanse. There's also an adaptation of World Without End.
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Nov 25, 2015 07:16
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In the pilot, am I mistaken in thinking I saw James shave some of a match into his drink? What's that about?
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Nov 25, 2015 07:45
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Nichael posted:In the pilot, am I mistaken in thinking I saw James shave some of a match into his drink? What's that about? Looked like that. Maybe he hates the coffee is so bad that makes it good? He complains about/compliments coffee a lot in the books.
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Nov 25, 2015 07:56
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Nichael posted:In the pilot, am I mistaken in thinking I saw James shave some of a match into his drink? What's that about? At the time I assumed that was some sort of stimulant drug he was adding to it but it wasn't super clear.
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Nov 25, 2015 08:33
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Yeah I don't really get it either. I mean I assume it's supposed to give it an extra stimulative kick, but match heads are made of phosphorus and there's already plenty of that in coffee.
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Nov 25, 2015 08:40
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Nichael posted:In the pilot, am I mistaken in thinking I saw James shave some of a match into his drink? What's that about? It's probably some sort of stimulant to make the equivalent of something like the chicory coffee they used to make in the Civil War. It's emphasized several times how lovely the coffee is in the books and the weird lengths people go to to get something like it. Alternative out-there theory: there's an urban legend that ingesting match heads helps keep fleas, ticks, and insects away because of the sulfur content. We already saw a rat on the ship so maybe the whole place is just infested with vermin. In reality they're just full of bad chemicals but in low doses they won't kill you but can make your breath/sweat smell like garlic. People with mineral deficiencies can also crave strange substances due to pica disorder and they've already emphasized how the belters are mostly malnourished. I don't think the match head thing was in the books. The match head kinda fits with the title intro of 'a small spark igniting a war' which Holden ends up becoming Bert Roberge fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 08:50
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Baloogan posted:_____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ Well, it ain't hard, but hardish enough. But better than magic. The zombies and planet into spaceship is nanotech stuff, tho. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 15:30
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etalian posted:It was pretty decent if not great and had al swearengen as a corrupt bishop. Party Plane Jones posted:There's also an adaptation of World Without End. Man, now I'm excited to watch these. The Pillars of the Earth was my first "real" literature book I read for fun, along with Creation by Gore Vidal. I'd love to see someone do an adaptation of the latter, too. Between Naomi and Miller, this show's got the undercut hairstyle game on lock. Both of them are wearing it well.
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Nov 25, 2015 16:19
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Combat Pretzel posted:Wasn't it something something of having figured out how to change universal physical constants? It seems like nanotech is the current way to explain magic in "hard" sci-fi. I remember reading an old Iron Man comic from the 60's and every time the suit did something crazy, he'd explain it with  TRANSISTORS
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Nov 25, 2015 16:29
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Gyges fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 17:39
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GigaPeon posted:It seems like nanotech is the current way to explain magic in "hard" sci-fi. I remember reading an old Iron Man comic from the 60's and every time the suit did something crazy, he'd explain it with
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Nov 25, 2015 17:56
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Combat Pretzel posted:Yeah, point taken. But at least there's some grounding in actual concepts and possibilities. Additionally I think it was stated by Miller at some point that the entire portion of the book there occurs in an alternate dimension so maybe that's why they're able to play around like that.
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Nov 25, 2015 18:00
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I'm still reading Cibola Burn (on a very slow burn for unrelated reasons), did I miss this or is it coming up?
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Nov 25, 2015 18:08
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Nov 25, 2015 18:25
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Baloogan posted:
Nobody came back from the dead. Miller's personality was assimilated by the proto-form, just as it had assimilated all the other Belters. It used him to communicate, because it had deviated from it's original design (which was assimilating simple life forms and adapting them) by adapting an advanced and complex life-form. There weren't "zombies" either (other than how the characters labeled them), again proto-lifeform using the drained corpses as a mobile infection vector. I agree it's a Space Opera, but it's definitely hard than Firefly (artificial gravity? Inertialess acceleration?) And holy poo poo all those "_" you use are annoying as gently caress.
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Nov 25, 2015 18:40
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Why are you deliberately making your posts so annoying? And yes, the books qualify as hard-sci-fi no matter what you say. Bert Roberge posted:Crazy spoiler for later in the series Holden eventually gets a decent cup of coffee. This is actually true! Bert Roberge posted:George R. R. Martin is pretty good friends with one of the authors apparently. More than that, one of the authors is (was?) his assistant.
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Nov 25, 2015 18:40
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The difference between Hard Sci-Fi and Soft Sci-Fi isn't really that clear and cut, Clarke's Third Law and the such, there's really no point arguing about this nearly meaningless distinction. The Expanse has a lot of sentences about acceleration and forces and the effect the great distances of the solar system have on communication, some of its plot devices are plausible, others aren't and are quite fantastical. What difference does it make really?
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Nov 25, 2015 19:48
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flosofl posted:Nobody came back from the dead. Miller's personality was assimilated by the proto-form, just as it had assimilated all the other Belters. It used him to communicate, because it had deviated from it's original design (which was assimilating simple life forms and adapting them) by adapting an advanced and complex life-form. There weren't "zombies" either (other than how the characters labeled them), again proto-lifeform using the drained corpses as a mobile infection vector. You can't tell me that moving corpses filled with an infectious proto-virus that spreads it through contact and are labeled zombies by the characters aren't a kind of zombie. That's like textbook definition. But we all like the books here, or at least the show. Let's all come back each week and talk about it! P.S. Naomi should be hella taller. GigaPeon fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 20:17
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The difference between Hard Sci-Fi and Soft Sci-Fi isn't really that clear and cut, Clarke's Third Law and the such, there's really no point arguing about this nearly meaningless distinction. Man just let us get our aspy on.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:19
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GigaPeon posted:You can't tell me that moving corpses filled with an infectious proto-virus that spreads it through contact and are labeled zombies by the characters aren't a kind of zombie. That's like textbook definition.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:37
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