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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Edit: Lucky Ship List + Ship Database

Woo!

Calling the Chokai!




THANKS DRONE!


code:
CVB		Aircraft Carrier, Battle
CV		Aircraft Carrier
CVL		Aircraft Carrier, Light
CVE		Aircraft Carrier, Escort
BB		Battleship
BC		Battlecruiser
CB		Large Cruiser
CA		Heavy Cruiser
CL		Light Cruiser
CLAA		Anti-Aircraft Cruiser
CS		Aircraft Cruiser
DD		Destroyer
DE		Escort Destroyer
TB		Torpedo Boat
E		Escort
PG		Patrol Gunboat
PF		Patrol Frigate
KV		Corvette
PC		Patrol Craft
PB		Patrol Boat
SC		Sub Chaser
PT		Patrol, Torpedo
MTB		Motor Torpedo Boat
MGB		Motor Gun Boat
ML		Motor Launch
SS		Submarine
SST		Submarine Transport
SSX		Midget Submarine
AMC		Armed Merchant Cruiser
CM		Minelaying Cruiser
CMc		Coastal Minelayer
DM		Destroyer Minelayer
DMS		Destroyer Minesweeper
AM		Minesweeper
AS		Submarine Tender
AD		Destroyer Tender
AV		Aircraft Tender
AVD		Aircraft Tender, Destroyer
AVP		Aircraft Tender, Patrol
AR		Auxiliary Repair Ship
ARD		Auxiliary Repair Dock
AGP		Torpedo Boat Tender
AG		Miscellaneous Auxiliary
AO		Oiler
AE		Ammunition Ship
AGC		Command Ship
APA		Attack Transport
LSIL		Landing Ship, Infantry, Large
LSIM		Landing Ship, Infantry, Medium
LSIS		Landing Ship, Infantry, Small
APD		Destroyer Transport
AKA		Attack Cargo Ship
LSD		Landing Ship, Dock
LSV		Landing Ship, Vehicle
AP		Transport
AK		Cargo Ship
AKV		Aircraft Transport
AKE		Ammunition Transport
AKL		Cargo Ship, Light
TK		Tanker
LST		Landing Ship, Tank
LCI		Landing Craft, Infantry
LCI(G)		Landing Craft, Infantry (Gun)
LCI(M)		Landing Craft, Infantry (Mortar)
LCI(R)		Landing Craft, Infantry (Rocket)
LSM		Landing Ship, Medium
LCT		Landing Craft, Tank
LB		Landing Barge
LCVP		Landing Craft, Vehicle and Personnel
LCS(L)		Landing Craft, Support (Large)
YO		District Oiler
ACM		Minefield Tender
YMS		District Minesweeper
YP		District Patrol Craft
HDML		Harbor Defense Motor Launch
AMc		Coastal Minesweeper
APc		Coastal Transport
xAP		Transport
xAPc		Coastal Transport
xAK		Cargo Ship
xAKL		Cargo Ship, Light

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Apr 19, 2017

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Lucky ship list

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
If I get some class designations wrong or the wrong ship, please let me know. Some names come up several times, or I make a typing error.

Also, I'll try to keep a running ship database going with all the ships that show up in Grey's posts.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Gnoman posted:

EDIT: On that subject, has anybody claimed the Fubuki?

Nope, and I put you down for it.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

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Nth Doctor posted:

Can we claim ships not yet built? If so, I'm pulling for the Hiyō, the the most salutatory carrier that has ever sailed.

The last LP had at least one person claim an island, so anything goes! I'll add it to the list.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

Excellent. Any ambitious data tracking projects this time around? I considered logging the date of first appearance for each airframe, but I probably won't bother (since I'm about to embark on something similar for Rule the Waves...).

I'm going to try and track every ship that makes an appearance, hopefully including their last known position or when, where and how they were sunk.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

lenoon posted:

We're back! Well done Grey on both the baby and the WiTP fronts. Looking forward to another incredible ride. maybe I'll even write up history posts as we go along this time

I'd like to claim the mightily lovely HMS Hermes - long may she remain largely ineffective!

Hermes was already claimed.



chrisoya posted:

It's me, I'm the CV-not-appearing-in-this-LP Aso.

I'll miss a few days and the mounting backlog will make catching up impossible, so I won't be here even for the last stages of the war.


It won't exist in this timeline, do you want to pick something else?




Gamerofthegame posted:

This was actually an American Strategy, or at least this line of thought; they reused ship names. For example, the Yorktown was sunk at Midway after a lengthy career of punching the Japanese in the face up and down the Pacific. She was succeeded by the, well, Yorktown, a later model of carrier. This was rather confusing to Japanese Intelligence reports and also extremely demoralizing. "Wait, I thought we sunk that one?!" etc.

Now, of course, the BIG E never actually sunk, but it was still a thing.

Is this a claim? Because its already taken.

Please disregard if it is merely my lack of sleep.



If I missed anyone so far, apologies. I think I got everyone so far...

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
DD Helm sunk eh?

:allears: Shine on you crazy intelligence reports

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Takanago posted:

Whew, the Kongo is safe. Would have been embarrassing to get some major damage or sinkage on Day 3.

Were there any times in the past LPs where somebody's boat got taken out really early, and not just because it was expected like the Repulse or the Prince of Wales?

I didn't keep the sunk dates, unfortunately (or they were unconfirmed).

2014-2015 WitP game

The first non-Repulse/Prince of Wales kill was suspected to be the USS Lexington after a fuel store exploded via torpedo by SS I-168 on the 16th of December 1941. (Edit: I think Grey got the points for it, but intel reports didn't confirm it at the time)

The first confirmed kills were a tie between CL De Ruyter and CL Java who caught an amphibious TF and sunk enough ships to cause 1600 casualties, before being eliminated by an IJN TF that intercepted(?) them on the 23rd of December 1941.

Lexington was chosen by apseudonym

De Ruyter was chosen by Tevery Best

Java was chosen by Koesj

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

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BgRdMchne posted:

Does the Monsoon Group show up in this game? If so, give me U-178

Not as far as I know, no.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Drone posted:

Get that goddamn carrier.

What are we betting, Enterprise or Lexington?

Saratoga :black101:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

What are some of the gamey strategies that you can do if you are really good at the game? Isn't it better as a JP player to not do Pearl Harbor and instead race the KB to the Philippines or something?

Going for the US carriers immediately instead of Pearl Harbor is pretty gamey, IIRC.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Palladium posted:

Anything is gamey to a degree if players diverge from historical, I mean after all this is the entire point of the game right?

Gamey is taking advantage of pre-positioned units or coded effects that you wouldn't know initially or without looking at the game's code. Not following the historic timeline just makes it ahistorical.

Since the US carriers always start in the same location, and the AI isn't always the smartest, you can go after them ASAP and wipe out a major portion of their available carrier force.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

gradenko_2000 posted:


You can divert the KB to hit Manila instead of Pearl, and this is a hotly-debated topic as people weigh whether the BBs or the subs are more valuable to the Allies.


You don't even need to divert the KB for that, just focus your aircraft against Manila.




I should really put more effort into learning WitP, you can get a lot of mileage out of low-altitude strikes. (And I'm a huge ww2 nerd/aircraft sperg)

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

A White Guy posted:

This thread hasn't generated any topics for the thread to discuss endlessly yet. We could go over old favorites like

How totally screwed Japan, really, actually, truly, totally, is
How the Grey cannot keep battleships alive
The Toyko Bay Fortress

or not. either way, Grey's doing whatevers so far. Let's hope he can get the work on Palembang going along before February this time.

Saving
1. For when he loses a division at Clark Field from accidental shock attack
2. Kongo will sink because it got too close to Singapore, without air cover
3. That's like a fine wine, it only truly becomes a conversation topic in 2 years

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

sullat posted:

In a more serious note, how bad was losing all those transports and invasion troops from that lurking carrier? If this is a game about snowballing in the first few months, seems like minor incidents like that could really make it difficult to establish his perimeter before the invasion bonus wears off.

Losing transports is something Japan can't replace constantly. Losing some is pretty normal, as they'll be targeted by subs, aircraft, coastal guns, etc; you have to figure that the number of transports available will go down, but it'll take a while before you reach a critical level where you are no longer capable of doing anything.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

SOLarian posted:

Looks like the game is 50% off at Matrix Games right now. Decisions, decisions...

Get WitP or Get WitP

Tough call.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

The Worst Muslim posted:

Any ships left? I want to claim one. My first choice though would be to claim a place. Tianjin/Tientsin, China

Literally thousands, but you'd have to check the list to figure out which ones have already been taken.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

The Worst Muslim posted:

I claim DD Uranami if I can

It shall be done, once I get access to the spreadsheet again

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

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fredleander posted:

I was about to say the same. Not only Bismarck - Taranto - a pattern for Pearl Harbor. Of course, like any other old torpedo plane at the time it was defenseless against a good fighter. Look at the Devastator, supposedly much more modern than the Swordfish and the Vildebeest. As much as the plane, in air torpedo warfare the crews were as important as the materiel, including the torpedoes. That said, what are the RN Vildebeests doing in the Philippines?

Britain had a lot of territories near the Philippines.

Also, Bismarck and Force Z had no air cover, Taranto and Pearl were surprise attacks.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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Clapping Larry

fredleander posted:

Yes, but in the scenario I refer to they fly out of Clark Field, Luzon. Quite uncommon for the British to use their resources for anything else than the defense of Singapore/Malaya.


Yes?


The Allied computer controls all allied units simultaneously, so that isn't too strange.

As for the second part of my post, its especially critical that they had a huge advantage in so far as they had no opposition from enemy aircraft. The biplane torpedo bombers get too much credit, in my opinion.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

lenoon posted:

Remember that we romanticise the living poo poo out of the war, and there's nothing more romantic-heroic than the stringbags being flung against the Bismarck, and winning.

And threads like this help us learn things, I'm just putting those Swordfish in their place :colbert:

Torbeau's for lyfe :c00lbert:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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Clapping Larry

biosterous posted:

There are too many images on this page so I'm hoping to help start a new page.

Don't have much else to say other than that I'm enjoying this.

Its the season, the season of giving Grey a new page to post on.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Puukko naamassa posted:

Looks like Yukikaze hasn't been taken, so I'd like her as my lucky ship.

Will do, once I get back to my reg PC

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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HerraS posted:

Since no one has claimed the USS San Diego I shall.

Will do.

New page achieved.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Grey Hunter posted:

You guys are going to laugh so hard in a few days time......

I already am :smuggo:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

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LeadSled posted:

RIP Kido Butai, killed because Grey forgot to load any planes aboard.

Hint: Carriers should not engage in broadsides with enemy cruisers.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

A White Guy posted:

Do the allies have a limited number of APs?

There is a limited number of everything, I think they start with 130-150 (okay maybe closer to 70-90) Troop transports and they receive another 223 over the course of the game.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
The West Point has a capacity of for 7800 troops and 2500 cargo. Definitely something Grey wants to sink

The Mount Vernon is a 6700 troop carrier with 2200 cargo.

Wakefield has the same capacity as Mount Vernon.

Dominion Monarch can carry 5800 troops and 1800 cargo.


Basically, the transports Grey is hitting are some of the best transport ships the Allies have at the moment.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Drone posted:

For the last thread, I posted a big dump of info from the game manual for all the ship designations. The complete list with commentary for what each type actually means can be found on this Google Spreadsheet, in case Grey Hunter wants to put it in the OP or Jobbo_Fett in his third post like last time: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjMTZZbe1060dE91VHM3SVYtNndWSkJIbkxydlJVOFE&usp=sharing


Edited into my post, I'll create a 3rd spreadsheet for it as well. For quicker reference.


Double-thanks!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Yorkshire Tea posted:

I found the Sealion talk on the previous page super interesting. Did the Germans ever really have a plausible win point for the war? Could they have conquered all of mainland Europe, not invaded Russian during Winter, won in Northern Africa and then just peaced out of there until they got their nukes working for Britain?

They needed a lot more luck/wins to have even a hope of winning the war in its entirety. Aside from Russia, they controlled all of mainland Europe apart from Switzerland, Sweden, parts of Turkey and Portugal/Spain (although Spain was friendly with them). Not invading Russia is way deep into gay black Hitler territory. "Winning" North Africa would've been a lot easier with more air power devoted to that front, making it safer to transport supplies over the mediterranean and doing more to prevent the RN from resupplying as quickly as they did irl.

If they somehow manage to prevent war with Russia and the US, I'd say they could've peaced out for some time.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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Drone posted:

Well, they invaded Russia in June, not winter. But yeah, the Russian winters (and in particular the muddy pre/post-winter seasons that are unique to that part of Eurasia) were completely underestimated by the Germans.

Was it '41 or '42 that was the worst in recent history as well? Not destiny-changing, but doesn't help their situation at all.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Loggie posted:

Can I have the Zuikaku as my lucky ship again, please?

Also grey, why is the British navy still floating? I feel like your not doing your English duty to build spectacular reefs!

Can't give you a ship that's already taken.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Loggie posted:

Can I have the Amagi instead?

As long as it hasn't been taking, you can have anything. (This is more for people still on the fence about picking a ship)

Lucky ships are updated, aside from maybe last day seen/location.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Welp, lasted a little over a month.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

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Belisarius6 posted:

I'm stunned at the reaction I've received for my link to Suvorov's "Icebreaker". The only reason I used the "Justice4Germans" website was because my Google search showed it had the book available online. I never stated support for Nazism - in fact I immediately followed up my first comment with a statement that Hitler was going to attack the Soviet Union regardless of any provocation or threat. Yet forum participants are all over me for being a Nazi sympathizer. Someone changed my avatar, I'm assuming the moderator himself, to a cum covered Iron Cross. What the hell? This is why the U.S. is collapsing before our eyes - nobody's willing to make a serious effort at understanding any viewpoint that differs from their own - even when that viewpoint is, all in all, very much the same.

You didn't put any serious effort in finding a more credible source for your argument, and linked to a clearly pro-nazi website.

Accusing mods of changing your avatar is dumb, and if you're so offended go re-reg or buy something else.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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Clapping Larry

TildeATH posted:

Who was the guy that said we should have had flying boat bombers instead of aircraft carriers? Was there any truth to his claims?

This sounds like a joke someone made referring to how dangerous the flying boats could be, as seen at some point in Saros' thread. Could definitely be wrong though.


Aircraft Carriers are much better than Flying Boats though.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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Clapping Larry

Lord Koth posted:

Well, there were always such fine ideas as the F9C Sparrowhawk or XF-85 Goblin. Because why bother with ships when you can just mount your fighters on other planes(or airships, as the case may be)? :v:

TB-3 or bust

:c00lbert:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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Veloxyll posted:

The Sunderland - an experiment in how many .303s you can mount on a boatplane.

If they were 20mm's we'd have something to talk about.

H8K :japan:

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

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fredleander posted:

Should we not make some space for mr. GH now?

:confused:

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