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weas
Jul 22, 2007

Tougher than the
toughest tough guy
Many of us have now been eliminated from the fantasy football playoffs, so it's time to start thinking about 2016 fantasy baseball. This is by far the earliest fantasy baseball thread we've had in this forum but I am already researching 2016 so I figured why not get the ball rolling.

:siren: :siren: :siren:

For the love of Christ please include all relevant details to your league when asking for advice. Keeper baseball leagues are notorious for having custom/obscure rules so if you want advice on your niche situation, give us the full story.

IcePhoenix posted:

How many teams are in your league?

How many keepers does each team get?

How long are you allowed to keep players?

How much does their cost go up each year?

What does your keeper roster look like before/after the trade?

How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?

How much is your budget?

Is it a points league?

Head to Head or Roto?

:siren: :siren: :siren:

News/Advice:
  • Razzball - I typically draft using Grey's rankings, and I actually pay money for access to their Stream-O-Nator and HitterTron tools. Grey's daily summary posts are the first thing I read each morning during the season. In my opinion, this is the best fantasy baseball site out there.
  • FantasyAlarm - Ray Flowers gives very good advice and his rankings are typically solid. Can also follow him on Twitter @BaseballGuys, where he is very active during the season.
  • FanGraphs - The site you should all be using for your baseball stats. Lots of good articles as well, and the host of Ottoneu (see below.)
  • Rotoworld - General injury/transaction news geared towards fantasy players.
  • FantasyPros - Fantasy rankings aggregator.
  • Ottoneu - I started playing Ottoneu last year and I love it. It's 12 team, 40 player MLB/MiLB dynasty with a $400 salary cap. If you are interested in doing a $50 FanGraphs Points startup league, let me know and I might start a goon league with enough interested parties.

Tools/Projections:
  • Closer Monkey - Up-to-the-minute depth charts for every bullpen in baseball.
  • Closer News - I follow these guys and set up Twitter SMS alerts during the season for whenever they tweet. They basically just retweet any mention of bullpen situations by the various beat writers around the league so you can rush to the wire to pick up the next closer when someone gets hurt.
  • Fantasy Baseball Alerts - Syncs with your Yahoo/ESPN league and will send alerts for your players out of lineup, games cancelled due to weather, and disabled list changes. Email is free, SMS you can pay for.
  • Smart Fantasy Baseball - If you're interested in learning how to generate your own auction dollar values, or you would like to learn more about using spreadsheets for fantasy baseball, this is the place to start. I went through a lot of the tutorials last winter and learned a ton.
  • Steamer 2016 - The current Bible for 2016 projections since ZiPS isn't out yet.

Statistics I use a lot:
  • BABIP - Batting Average on Balls In Play. Both pitchers and hitters have BABIP, and anything significantly over/under .300 is an indicator of good/bad luck, with some exceptions. For example, fast hitters often have high BABIPs because they beat out infield grounders at a higher rate than average.
  • xFIP - Expected Fielding Independent Pitching. Indicator for how "real" a pitcher's ERA is. This stat is normalized to the same scale as ERA, so if your pitcher's ERA is 4.15 but his xFIP is 3.50, you can typically expect some positive regression going forward.
  • K/9 and BB/9 - Strikeout and Walk Rates. I am not a huge math/stats nerd so I gravitate to easy-to-understand stats like this when trying to evaluate starting pitchers. Generally the best starting pitchers will have difference between their K/9 and BB/9 of 7 or more. So if a pitcher has an 8.8 K/9 and a 1.7 BB/9, that is a fantasy ace. I also try to avoid starters with a K/9 under 7.5 or a BB/9 over 3.

weas fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Feb 15, 2016

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The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

I've been poking around the Steamer projections cause I'm getting the fantasy baseball itch again. Couple thoughts:

Catcher looks god drat barren after Posey. You'll probably be OK with McCann or Russel Martin but they could both easily hit <.240. Is Schwarber the clear #2? Like Napoli or Gattis a few years ago, this could be the last time he's eligible at C, but Schwarbers better than them. I love "catchers" who aren't actually playing the position, they get more ABs and don't get beat up by foul tips and stuff. I like Mesoraco a lot IF he's healthy.

Steamer thinks Correa is the #1 SS but thinks his .233 ISO will come back to earth. It projects him at .275 22HR 21 SB which is still great but maybe not top 10 overall like some ppl are valuing him. Steamer also has Trea Turner in the top 10 shortstops, keep an eye on that guy for sure. Could steal 30 bases. OTOH Steamer doesn't believe in Brandon Crawford's power spike at all. Which makes sense since it was such and outlier. Not what I want to see as a Giants fan though.

Bogaerts sure had a weird season. After hitting ~15 dingers at every level, he drops to 7 last year in 650 PA. FB% drops from 41% in 2014 to 25%, but he hits .320 on a ridiculous babip. Wonder if the Sox had him change his approach to make him more of a contact hitter?

Is Ottoneu worth the money? Never played a Dynasty league before.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


In dynasty I would probably take Correa third after Trout and Harper.

If Pederson would figure out the strikezone is not Dodger Stadium I could see him jump to 10-15. Right now he isn't worth to be drafted as a starter.

McCutchen RIP

Blackmon is about 8 places too low if he can keep it up for a whole season.

I would like to say Abreu can get better but he is already 28.



We need to do a roster draft for this season. Whoever you draft you are stuck with for the while season. No waivers, free agents, or trades. Ride that poo poo out. We did one for football and it was awesome. Even with Spacejung cheating.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
I was going to wait until 2016 and make the 2016 thread.

Podcasts are cool.

Fangraphs' Sleeper and the Bust and BP's Flags Fly Forever are must-have resources.

CBS is really good too.

Fantasy Focus Baseball also exists (it's good too but super cringy at times if Cockcroft doesn't get reined in).


And be careful using xFIP if you're gonna use it because if a pitcher has dogshit defense behind him he will continue to have dogshit defense behind him unless something changes (but I agree, it is useful).

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Dec 28, 2015

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
Now that the boring game for losers season is over, hopefully the awesome game for cool guys thread here will start being active.

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames
Pretty excited that this cool thread for cool guys is up so soon. Anyone know a good site for auction values so I can decide my keepers? The ones I found on Google seem to be uh, not very accurate. Also, should I be keeping Lindor for 5 bux when I can only keep 3 players, thanks!

ChiTownEddie
Mar 26, 2010

Awesome beer, no pants.
Join the Legion.

Michael Corleone posted:

Pretty excited that this cool thread for cool guys is up so soon. Anyone know a good site for auction values so I can decide my keepers? The ones I found on Google seem to be uh, not very accurate. Also, should I be keeping Lindor for 5 bux when I can only keep 3 players, thanks!

Check out fangraph's calculator. Right now its just based on Steamer but eventually there will be more options.
http://www.fangraphs.com/auctiontool.aspx

E: Also I am joining a new league this year. I learned about the format after I joined and it is H2H Categories of...
R, RBI, HR, SB, AVG, OPS, K, Errors
W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP, K/9, K/BB, QS
????
Commish called this "normal stuff", is that remotely true?

E2: I guess to clarify I've done one league that was normal 5x5 roto then transformed into 4x4 of R, RBI, SB, OPS and IP, K, ERA, WHIP (162 start limit). So I have no basis for H2H.

ChiTownEddie fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jan 7, 2016

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
That's a little weird in that in a 6x6 you usually add holds. I do like K/BB (my 7x7 has it). Errors is a little out of nowhere.

My 7x7, for reference:
R, RBI, SB, HR, AVG, H, TB
W, L (:barf:), SV, K/BB, ERA, WHIP

L used to be Holds but there was a great Gnashing of Teeth and the league voted to switch it to losses, which I hate. I also hate that there are 3 rate stats for pitchers and one rate stat for hitters.

With an 8x8 H2H like that I wouldn't even bother with saves, and wouldn't pay up for speed. Emphasize the relievers traditionally devalued because they're 7th/8th inning guys. I call my strategy MASHERS.

(Marginalize All Slap-Hitting Extraneous Running Specialists)
(Marginalize All Saves/Holds ERA Ruining Specialists)

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jan 7, 2016

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
Anyone doing a cash league for this? I usually do a Yahoo pro 20 but I'd rather have a goon league

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

DINGERS ONLY

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
http://draftwizard.fantasypros.com/

Draft Wizard is up :toot:

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Does this mean I can start wondering who to keep in my keeper leagues now :v:

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


IcePhoenix posted:

Does this mean I can start wondering who to keep in my keeper leagues now :v:

I did that 5 months ago. Yay being out of it since the All-Star break!

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause

jabro posted:

I did that 5 months ago. Yay being out of it since the All-Star break!

I won my league and I was doing the same thing.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
someone was dumb enough to let me write for them

I wrote a thing exploring BABIP, K-BB% and some players due for positive regression:

http://theinscribermag.com/fantasy-sports/fantasy-baseball-2016-sleeper-pitchers-and-advanced-stats.html

tl;dr - go get Michael Pineda and Rick Porcello

weas
Jul 22, 2007

Tougher than the
toughest tough guy

Spoeank posted:

someone was dumb enough to let me write for them

I wrote a thing exploring BABIP, K-BB% and some players due for positive regression:

http://theinscribermag.com/fantasy-sports/fantasy-baseball-2016-sleeper-pitchers-and-advanced-stats.html

tl;dr - go get Michael Pineda and Rick Porcello

Nice article but Carlos Carrasco doesn't have a Cy Young! Definitely love Pineda this year too.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
Crap I was like hurr Indian pitcher hurr. Thanks for the heads up

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
Fangraphs sleeper list is pretty interesting. Instead of just guessing random lottery tickets, it's a list of projections VS ADP.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/2016-fantasy-baseball-sleepers/

I think in addition to my yearly strategy that doesn't end up working(TM), I think I'll draft a team based purely on their list.

C: Lucroy
1B: Fielder
2B: Pedroia
3B: Beltre
SS: Reyes
OF: Heyward
OF: Braun
OF: Hamilton
UT: Ortiz

SP: Price
SP: Lester
SP: Darvish
SP: Tanaka
SP: Liriano

Something like that, depending on who's available.

Senf
Nov 12, 2006

Doltos posted:

Anyone doing a cash league for this? I usually do a Yahoo pro 20 but I'd rather have a goon league

I don't want to run one but I'd definitely be interested in joining v:shobon:v

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


keep 6. 6x6, obp instead of avg, slg and qs added. 225 budget

schwarber - $10
rizzo - $25
donaldson - $30
pollock - $10
conforto - $10
david ortiz - $10
carlos santana - $10

scherzer - $21
carrasco - $10
cueto - $10
stroman - $10
liriano - $10
zimmermann - $10

right now: schwarber, rizzo, donaldson, pollock, conforto, and scherzer

pretty sure on the first four. not sure about conforto. could easily keep ortiz over him. would love to keep scherzer, but carrasco at $10 is pretty great.

thanks in advance.

abelwingnut fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jan 19, 2016

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
I might go Stroman or Cueto over Conforto, but without knowing how you split your auction budget, I wouldn't be sure.

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


stars and scrubs. i usually portion 80-90% of my budget to hitters. but scherzer's an exception. i feel like i don't have to worry about his health any more than i do a hitter. and god knows he'll have the numbers. so yea, i really don't mind going in with scherzer and a bunch of $1 pitchers. i'm pretty good at picking them up through the season.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
In that case I would probably stick with what you have. I don't like Conforto so much but I like him compared to Ortiz and Santana. Ortiz finished hot but that guy straight up could not get around on lefties for the first half of 2015.

Edit:
And since we're doing keepers, I have to keep three hitters and three pitchers, a bunch of my keeper contracts expired (three years max). Waiver players are last round picks. 7x7 H2H with H & TB and L (:barf:) and K/BB

Khris Davis, 19
Rougned Odor, W
Kevin Pillar, W
Anthony Rendon, 22 (last year)
Anthony Rizzo, 7 (last year)
Miguel Sano, W
Kyle Schwarber, W


Adam Conley, W
Patrick Corbin, W
Kevin Jepsen, W
Francisco Liriano, 13
Carlos Martinez, W
Andrew Miller, W
Matt Moore, W
Daniel Norris, 21
Vidal Nuno, W
Jake Odorizzi, 21
Carson Smith, W
Drew Smyly, 13
Marcus Stroman, W

Bold is what I'm thinking now, but I haven't done much other than from the gut. I, too, just stream pitchers off the wire.

I'll just redraft Smyly anyway because I just can't quit him.

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jan 19, 2016

mentholmoose
Nov 5, 2009

YKNOW THERES ONLY ONE DIRECTION I KNOW AND THATS DRIVIN STRAIGHT TO THE NET
This thread is up early. Not that I'm complaining, helps me start overthinking who I'm going to keep and who I'm not.

Spoeank posted:

In that case I would probably stick with what you have. I don't like Conforto so much but I like him compared to Ortiz and Santana. Ortiz finished hot but that guy straight up could not get around on lefties for the first half of 2015.

Edit:
And since we're doing keepers, I have to keep three hitters and three pitchers, a bunch of my keeper contracts expired (three years max). Waiver players are last round picks. 7x7 H2H with H & TB and L (:barf:) and K/BB

Anthony Rizzo, 7 (last year)
Miguel Sano, W
Kyle Schwarber, W


Patrick Corbin, W
Carlos Martinez, W
Marcus Stroman, W

Bold is what I'm thinking now, but I haven't done much other than from the gut. I, too, just stream pitchers off the wire.

I'll just redraft Smyly anyway because I just can't quit him.

Odorizzi is probably a better option than Patrick Corbin since half his starts are in the Trop rather than Chase Field.


And while I'm here, I might as well ask for suggestions about my keepers. I can keep up to five players; waiver players are 25th round picks (going up a round each if I keep more than one), it's a 10 team 6x6 (with OPS and H) H2H. What I've definitely decided on is:

Nolan Arenado (15th)
Todd Frazier (21st)
Jacob DeGrom (23rd)
Noah Syndergaard (W)

And then I've narrowed down my last choice to one of the following:

Francisco Lindor (W)
Sonny Gray (8th)
Anthony Rendon (18th)
Jackie Bradley Jr. (W)
Stephen Piscotty (W)

I'm leaning towards Lindor or Gray, and more toward Gray because I think this is the last year I can keep Arenado and Frazier and Gray would definitely help me win this year.

mentholmoose fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jan 19, 2016

weas
Jul 22, 2007

Tougher than the
toughest tough guy

Abel Wingnut posted:

keep 6. 6x6, obp instead of avg, slg and qs added. 225 budget

schwarber - $10
rizzo - $25
donaldson - $30
pollock - $10
conforto - $10
david ortiz - $10
carlos santana - $10

scherzer - $21
carrasco - $10
cueto - $10
stroman - $10
liriano - $10
zimmermann - $10

right now: schwarber, rizzo, donaldson, pollock, conforto, and scherzer

pretty sure on the first four. not sure about conforto. could easily keep ortiz over him. would love to keep scherzer, but carrasco at $10 is pretty great.

thanks in advance.

Keep Carrasco over Conforto, gives you better balance, so you'll have a nice 1-2 punch at the top of your rotation. Do you think Conforto would even go for $10 at auction? I don't, but you know your league better than I do.

Spoeank posted:

And since we're doing keepers, I have to keep three hitters and three pitchers, a bunch of my keeper contracts expired (three years max). Waiver players are last round picks. 7x7 H2H with H & TB and L (:barf:) and K/BB

Khris Davis, 19
Rougned Odor, W
Kevin Pillar, W
Anthony Rendon, 22 (last year)
Anthony Rizzo, 7 (last year)
Miguel Sano, W
Kyle Schwarber, W


Adam Conley, W
Patrick Corbin, W
Kevin Jepsen, W
Francisco Liriano, 13
Carlos Martinez, W
Andrew Miller, W
Matt Moore, W
Daniel Norris, 21
Vidal Nuno, W
Jake Odorizzi, 21
Carson Smith, W
Drew Smyly, 13
Marcus Stroman, W

Bold is what I'm thinking now, but I haven't done much other than from the gut. I, too, just stream pitchers off the wire.

I'll just redraft Smyly anyway because I just can't quit him.

Your hitters are right on but I'd personally keep Liriano over Corbin. Corbin is almost a streamer type guy, while Liriano hasn't had a K rate under 9 since 2011.

mentholmoose posted:

And while I'm here, I might as well ask for suggestions about my keepers. I can keep up to five players; waiver players are 25th round picks (going up a round each if I keep more than one), it's a 10 team 6x6 (with OPS and H) H2H. What I've definitely decided on is:

Nolan Arenado (15th)
Todd Frazier (21st)
Jacob DeGrom (23rd)
Noah Syndergaard (W)

And then I've narrowed down my last choice to one of the following:

Francisco Lindor (W)
Sonny Gray (8th)
Anthony Rendon (18th)
Jackie Bradley Jr. (W)
Stephen Piscotty (W)

I'm leaning towards Lindor or Gray, and more toward Gray because I think this is the last year I can keep Arenado and Frazier and Gray would definitely help me win this year.

Lindor, and I don't think it's close at all. Gray has had middling peripherals for 2 years in a row now, but people think he's really good because of his lucky low ERA. Steamer is predicting major ERA regression this year so I'm very nervous about Gray.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

Are there any particularly good primer articles any of you guys would recommend for a newbie? My background with fantasy is a few years of fantasy football, and I mostly get disengaged because I really am not that into football (which definitely is not the case with baseball). I'm thinking of getting a league together with some friends and using Yahoo or ESPN.

I'm planning on doing some research myself in the next few weeks but I figured I'd start here.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

I'd like to do an auction league this year when I'm actually here for the draft. :argh:

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
The fantasy football offseason thread is going to have more replies than this one will all season lawl

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D.
Oct 9, 2003

I've got a case of malt liquor stashed in the trunk, Mr. Marvin Gaye on the CD. We are gonna get all the way down.


Doltos posted:

Anyone doing a cash league for this? I usually do a Yahoo pro 20 but I'd rather have a goon league

Senf posted:

I don't want to run one but I'd definitely be interested in joining v:shobon:v

I would be down as well.

so edgy i cut YOU BITCH
Apr 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:

I would be down as well.

Count me in if we are throwing one together.

Armed Neutrality
May 8, 2006

BUY MORE CRABS
Will Machado have SS eligibility in Yahoo leagues at the start of the season? I won the poo poo out of my league last year thanks in no small part to being able to use him at SS...

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
Building on that, will Schwarber still be C eligible in yahoo this year? I have him as a last round keeper, and if he can fill my catcher spot, I'm golden.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
I spent time trying to figure that out this morning, because it would help me immeasurably. I don't want to overpay for any of the youngsters, including Correa. I've been bitching about SS in here and the draft thread that went nowhere.

I thought it was that they had to have played 10 games at the position the previous year, and for picking it up in the current year they need 10 games or 5 starts. Apparently if they had it the year before, they keep it and only lose it for the next if they don't play 10/start 5.

Then again,

quote:

Manny Machado
2016 Eligibility: 3B
Losing: SS (6)

Machado has made 6 starts at shortstop this year while J.J. Hardy has been injured, and he is actually the top player at the position in Yahoo right now. However, he's not likely to appear there more this year, and definitely not enough to get him to 20 games.

If he is for some reason still eligible, I am overpaying for him. If not, I am waiting and picking up a combo of Jose Reyes and Didi Gregorious.


JosefStalinator posted:

Building on that, will Schwarber still be C eligible in yahoo this year? I have him as a last round keeper, and if he can fill my catcher spot, I'm golden.

Definitely eligible.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
Yahoo opens in 2 days

:fap:

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

You might be able to still use Machado at short in Yahoo. I know five games is one of their thresholds but I don't remember if it's just to add it in season or if it's enough to also carry it over to the next year.

ESPN I believe requires 20 games, though.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Spoeank posted:

Yahoo opens in 2 days

:fap:

Is it smart to do a pro league this early? I feel like a lot can happen between now and opening day.

Also I watch zero baseball but I love playing fantasy. Who are some guys that looked like they were on fire last season and should be must pickups this year? I have a feeling I want to target Machado or Pederson early.

DoctaFun
Dec 12, 2005

Dammit Francis!

Doltos posted:

Is it smart to do a pro league this early? I feel like a lot can happen between now and opening day.

Also I watch zero baseball but I love playing fantasy. Who are some guys that looked like they were on fire last season and should be must pickups this year? I have a feeling I want to target Machado or Pederson early.

3B has a slew of young stud players. I know I want one of Donaldson/Machado/Arenado on my squad. AJ Pollock had a great year and depending on your league might have the name recognition to pull 1st/2nd round pricing, he was the 4th highest scoring OF in my league last year.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

Doltos posted:

Is it smart to do a pro league this early? I feel like a lot can happen between now and opening day.

Also I watch zero baseball but I love playing fantasy. Who are some guys that looked like they were on fire last season and should be must pickups this year? I have a feeling I want to target Machado or Pederson early.

I don't think you will be able to get Machado "early" as he'll be a top 10 pick and the guys ahead of him are just as good. I would be wary of going too early with Pederson. I want him too, but I have a feeling others are going to drive his draft stock up.
This isn't exactly what you asked, but I think Adrian Beltre seems underrated going into this year. Yes he's old and he struggled in 2016, but he seems to be dropping off people's radar.

DoctaFun posted:

3B has a slew of young stud players. I know I want one of Donaldson/Machado/Arenado on my squad. AJ Pollock had a great year and depending on your league might have the name recognition to pull 1st/2nd round pricing, he was the 4th highest scoring OF in my league last year.

Who is the go-to for just raw power numbers at 3B for 2016? Arenado or Donaldson? That's the position I want HR/RBI out of and I will shell out for.

weas
Jul 22, 2007

Tougher than the
toughest tough guy
Pretty sure Machado will be eligible at SS in Yahoo this year. I'd take him like, 5th or 6th overall in a snake draft.

Is Yahoo even doing Pro leagues again? I thought they quit doing them to focus on their cut rate DFS product.

Moneyball posted:

Who is the go-to for just raw power numbers at 3B for 2016? Arenado or Donaldson? That's the position I want HR/RBI out of and I will shell out for.

Machado (if he isn't eligible at SS in your league) and Bryant round out the big four 3Bs this year. Todd Frazier and Maikel Franco are power-upside 3Bs to look at if you miss out on the top tier.

weas fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jan 27, 2016

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DoctaFun
Dec 12, 2005

Dammit Francis!

Moneyball posted:

I don't think you will be able to get Machado "early" as he'll be a top 10 pick and the guys ahead of him are just as good. I would be wary of going too early with Pederson. I want him too, but I have a feeling others are going to drive his draft stock up.
This isn't exactly what you asked, but I think Adrian Beltre seems underrated going into this year. Yes he's old and he struggled in 2016, but he seems to be dropping off people's radar.


Who is the go-to for just raw power numbers at 3B for 2016? Arenado or Donaldson? That's the position I want HR/RBI out of and I will shell out for.

I think you'll be good with either, they were remarkably close last year in those two categories, Arenado is 6 years younger though, so there could be an argument that he has more room to grow/develop than Donaldson. I mean I don't know if there's much room to grow on a 42 HR/ 130 RBI season, but who knows.

Bryant absolutely could get to these guy's level, but not sure if he'll be there next year or not. In a re-draft league I'd probably put:

Arenado/Donaldson/Machado as the top tier. I don't think there's a super well defined tier 2 as 3b is really deep. Maybe something like:
Bryant / Frazier / Carpenter / Beltre / Franco as the next tier, with a bunch of other dudes who could be tier 2 but I'm just not so sure of like:
Moustakas / Seager / A-rod / Longoria(what happened to him?)

Depends on your league settings too, my league penalizes for Ks so that might impact some of this. Another guy to think about is Miguel Sano, who has huge power potential(18 HR in 80 games last year), but I'm not sure if he'll have 3B eligibility, he played 9 games at 3B last year.

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