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TMMadman
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I keep getting killed, so why not in this game too.

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Kashuno posted:

Confirming my PM says VT

The old 'claim to get a fake PM to cover for the fact that I got a real scum PM' ploy.

Would vote Kash.

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EXAKT Science posted:

I like that you're willing to call it scummy, but not vote even tho we're still firmly in jokephase. Almost half the game hasn't confirmed.

Well since there are two scum and it only takes 4 to lynch I feel voting early is dangerous and kind of scummy.

Yes, that does mean I find your vote kind of scummy.

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Kashuno posted:

No I'm claiming VT in my first post see?

According to you claiming VT is useless.

##vote Kash

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EXAKT Science posted:

Yeah really.

Madman what's your point?

My point is that Kash is scum.

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EXAKT Science posted:

You literally always think Kash is scum.

Yeah, but, in my defense, he is often scum.

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EXAKT Science posted:

You have this dumb slapfight every game. It dominates day 1 discussion and never accomplishes anything. We don't have the day to waste.Tomorrow is LYLO unless we hit.

Says the person pushing for a turbo on someone who hasn't even confirmed.

##vote Exakt

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Quidnose posted:

This is a really weird and defensive, unnecessary post. Would vote TMM for this I think.

How is it weird and defensive? There is someone saying that we shouldn't waste a day while simultaneously saying that we should turbo Hal.

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Kashuno posted:

##vote quid

Hmmm....

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Kashuno posted:

Something pique your interest?

Just trying to decide if I like the vote.

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It's a good thing there's two days left before the deadline cause I think everyone is asleep.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

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##unvote

Alright, Quid is almost certainly town. I'm also thinking Exakt is probably town. I don't really like the Quid vote and it physically pains me to say this, but Kash is also probably town.

So that means the scum is between Hal, bowmore and SA.

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And Quid, I decided to use my vote because Exakt rightly pointed out that a scum rush would be obvious. So I felt free to vote, especially if the person didn't have a vote on them.

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Kashuno posted:

Tis the season

http://youtu.be/Pw2sex1mJNI


Bout to hit the gym, I'll give you my scum reads later tonight

Really? You typed up that whole sentence instead of writing the names of two or three people? Exakt wasn't asking you to defend your choices or share your reasoning but you still dodged the question.

I might need to rethink my Kash is probably town stance.

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There are 6 people in this game aside from you and two of them have barely posted anything. We have produced 4 pages of content.

What exactly do you need to reread here?

All your are doing is dodging a simple question. One you should have an answer for immediately in this small of a game.

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EXAKT Science posted:

I'd vote Hal or Kash.

Right now I'm with you.

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So Kash reacts poorly and attacks the votes. Hey Kash, are you RPing me this game?

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Kashuno posted:

No I react poorly to bad votes not all votes

So you ARE RPing me!

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Kashuno posted:

we are at lylo-1. If I am wrong, and throw a vote on a town player, all it takes is one more townie to vote them to allow scum to lynch it. I'm taking my time.

But then why did you vote Quid earlier?

Also as Exakt pointed out earlier a scum rush would be pretty noticeable, so voting isn't really more dangerous than any other non-lylo day.

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I think I'd rather lynch bowmore over Kash right now. Bowmore has a total of 7 posts and only 2 of them are game related. One where he votes for Hal and then another where he gives a weak defense of his vote and says he's not moving it.

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EXAKT Science posted:

Eh, day 1 lurking is alignment-neutral for bowmore. Hence


I'd rather go for someone like Kash, who has been acting actively scummy.

It doesn't really matter if D1 lurking is alignment neutral because if we don't hang scum today then we are in LYLO and that's a bad place took be with a lurker.

If we lynch bowmore today and he flips town, we still have lots of content from Kash to look at, but if we don't lynch him today then he makes a very attractive, very easy target for tomorrow.

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Because I liked Hals analysis post. Maybe that's just a smoke screen, but it read genuine to me.

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Well I don't really think, me, you, Quid or Kash have been lurking. SA I guess is on the border of lurking but at least I can tell he's in the game.

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But neither has bowmore and bowmore has posted even less.

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Hal Incandenza posted:

I like what Kashuno has said. He didn't waste a lot of time defending himself and I like the points he's made. His reaction doesn't look scummy at all, other maybe that he is going after the people who voted him.

I'd rather ##vote SA. Sorry I was travelling most of yesterday and today but I'm here until deadline so let's chat.

I don't get the argument that it's bad to go after the people who voted for you. It gets leveled against me a lot, but I feel that since I know my own alignment I am the best judge of who I think is attacking me in bad faith. I just don't see going after the people going after you as inherently scummy.

So why would you rather vote SA over bowmore?

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Yeah, I don't see why we shouldn't hang bowmore when his contribution is to come back and in simply restate the position he's been holding the entire game.

I don't know what he's doing, but I don't feel like it's town behavior.

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bowmore posted:

i'll hold my position until one of us is lynched

he made a huge effort post as soon as momentum] started to swing his way, and then nobody looked at him because he made a post, even though it was a pure "i have to do/put a bit of effort in this so i don't get lynched" post

See, I just don't read Hal that way and feel that you're just forcing the issue and hiding behind a 'him or me' attitude.

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So who is going to be around? We've got about an hour and forty five minutes to go.

I'm not really sure about the Kash vote. I would probably vote him because I don't think a no lynch is a good idea in this game, but if he flips town then I think one of Exakt or Quid would be scum. It's hard to think of them both as scum and acting together so openly.

I've actually been thinking that this might be right:

Hal Incandenza posted:

I dunno about EXAKT, he could be scum with bowmore and they are doubling down on over-reacting to jokes trying to get an easy D1 lynch figuring that they can hurry LYLO. He's at least offering reasoning though, even though I think he should also know me well enough to know that I don't really say much that is serious D1.

I was just thinking that Exakt isn't just posting a lot, she is running circles around everyone else and it's got me on edge right now. Also, some of the reactions Exakt had when I started to the question the Kash vote irked me. Stuff like this:

EXAKT Science posted:

Also, what changed? You were right there on the Kash train until he started to pick up votes.

Just makes me feel like Exakt is trying to lead me along into a mislynch.

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Actually we have an hour and a half now because I took too long to write that post.

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EXAKT Science posted:

I'm here and will be until deadline.

Why do you think that I'm trying to lead you somewhere, TMM?

I think it boils down to mostly gut. I don't know, something just feels off and I can't shake it.

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I think at this point, I'd rather do bowmore or SA in that order. I don't buy the whole 'him or me' thing from bowmore and it feels forced and SA has just completely disappeared in a small game. Neither of them has posted any sort of real content, but bowmore is pushing an argument that doesn't read true to me.

The problem is that I don't think BOTH of them are scum together. Right now I think there one scum in these pairings: Exakt/Kash and bowmore/SA. I feeling like Quid is pretty solidly town and I like what Hal has been posting, so I'm leaning town for him right now.

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EXAKT Science posted:

I understand. And sometimes there's no accounting for gut reads. Mostly, I don't understand where the impression of "leading" comes from. Can you elaborate on that at all? Or at least make an effort to articulate your thought process? Please, I just want to understand.

It's just posts like this one. If just feels off. It's just feels like you are overly concerned about how people are perceiving you.

Like in the other example, it just comes off as wrong. It just feels like you were all happy that I was following your lead, but the second I question lynching Kash, it feels like you get defensive about it instead of wondering if I'm scum trying to cover for Kash.

EXAKT Science posted:

Also, what changed? You were right there on the Kash train until he started to pick up votes.

I think that's might be the best way to describe this post. It feels defensive. I don't know why, but that's the way it reads to me.

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EXAKT Science posted:

I just didn't want to seem accusatory. At the moment I'm leaning town on you, so I tried to frame the question in a neutral way.

I understand that and it's part of the consideration. And I'm also wondering if I'm just letting paranoia take hold of me too.

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EXAKT Science posted:

Oh deadline is in less than an hour. Hal and Madman, are you here until then? And is anyone else here?

I should be around.

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EXAKT Science posted:

Unless someone else shows up, Kash is the only viable choice.

I know and that's something else that I don't really like.

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It just feels like a set up to a mislynch, but I think we really need to hang someone.

So ##vote Kash

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EXAKT Science posted:

I understand the dissatisfaction with the inevitability of it all, but I really do feel that we're right.

Don't get me wrong, I have my doubts about Kash being town as well. So it's not like I think this is a completely unjustified lynch, but I still have that little twinge in the back of my head telling me it's wrong at the same time.

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This is also why I don't like bowmores stance because it removes him from making a decision at this point. Sure, that kind of stance is justified occasionally, but I don't think that's a good D1 stance.

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I'm going to laugh if we no lynch in a 7 person game after a 4 day D1.

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I think it's going to be Exakt and SA right now. Possibly Hal.

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