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Hal Incandenza posted:Don't like mets vote post and not a fan o the convenient "well guess I'm dying tomorrow" bit. I haven't looked back at the flavor but does it indicate poison? Feels weird I would be a doc who could only stop one bird strike kill and nothing else A flavor PM at the end of the last phase says I'm coming down with a cold and the flavor of my ability references sickness. I assume the Poisoner is Pestilence flavored.
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Doctor is significantly more likely than Poison Doctor. ##vote Met
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Dec 26, 2015 21:02
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Met posted:A flavor PM at the end of the last phase says I'm coming down with a cold and the flavor of my ability references sickness. I assume the Poisoner is Pestilence flavored. I meant the kill flavor, but now I see they all just say "killed" so that's sort of a dead end.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:34
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Epsilon Plus posted:Doctor is significantly more likely than Poison Doctor. ##vote Met Not necessarily, it is also partially explained by there being no N1 kill. Tending to believe Met a lot more at this point.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:43
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Birdstrike posted:Not necessarily, it is also partially explained by there being no N1 kill. Are you saying that you don't believe me?
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Dec 26, 2015 22:10
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Hal Incandenza posted:Are you saying that you don't believe me? I'm wary of Poison Doc claims because there is so much potential for good and fun fakeclaiming. But otoh it explains the lack of N1 scum kill!
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Birdstrike posted:I'm wary of Poison Doc claims because there is so much potential for good and fun fakeclaiming. Yes but do you think I'm a doctor
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Dec 26, 2015 22:55
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yes but do you think I'm a doctor It's possible.
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Dec 26, 2015 23:03
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Hal being a doctor is infinitely more likely than Met being a poison doctor because Met is a liar.
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Dec 26, 2015 23:09
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way to take some solid stances there birdstrike
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Epsilon Plus posted:Hal being a doctor is infinitely more likely than Met being a poison doctor because Met is a liar. Okay? Do you have anything else for that because you aren't making any real argument here.
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Dec 26, 2015 23:54
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Hal Incandenza posted:way to take some solid stances there birdstrike go slow for mylo
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Finally home from the holidays, and there's a shitload to catch up on this time.Met posted:spacing in vienna is just talk talk talk talk talk talk talk with the strategy and always in the discussion but hasn't been dealt with via nightkill. Randomly: I dunno why, but I don't get NK'd a lot. I died N1 of GOP Primary mafia and that's the first time I've ever died N1. Met posted:I believe the Mafia kill is poison. I suspect this because I'm a Poison Doctor. If I target someone the night they were poisoned, they don't die the night after. I can use it each night and I can't self-target. I breadcrumbed it: I have never seen the role Poison Doctor before, and I am not sure what to make of your claim, especially now that Hal counterclaimed straight doc. Two docs in a game, one with restrictions, seems like a lot, unless you're there to counter a particular role like an SK. But SK really doesn't work with how few NKs we've had. Met posted:Targets Can you explain the reasoning for your targets? imgay posted:3 town+2 scum+me, and I can win with either team. its lylo and if town lynches me they lose This would be a brilliant play if you were scum trying to avoid being lynched. But I think I believe you for now, which means we have bigger fish to fry. Epsilon Plus posted:Something about this is bullshit. Am I the only one who thinks breadcrumbs are the stupidest thing in mafia? I do not like this post. Being skeptical of Met's claim after Hal counterclaimed makes sense. Right here, you're just throwing out vague smoke against an un-counterclaimed doc, in mylo, because ... of a breadcrumb? Hal Incandenza posted:Hmmm I'm a bit busy today but I will be home tonight. My feel is that spacing is my top scum choice. Why? Hal Incandenza posted:Don't like mets vote post and not a fan o the convenient "well guess I'm dying tomorrow" bit. I haven't looked back at the flavor but does it indicate poison? Feels weird I would be a doc who could only stop one bird strike kill and nothing else Flavor never indicated poison that I can tell. Two docs, if legit, makes me think we'd have to have mafia and an SK, and one doc just handles the SK, but we've got a low body count for that. The only other explanation I can think of is a little out there, and I should probably stick to Occam's razor. I was going to ask you to claim your targets and just realized you did -- I thought you hadn't named all of them but that was me not realizing it's only D4. Birdstrike posted:go slow for mylo I agree with this -- throwing votes around is dangerous.
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spacing in vienna posted:I was going to ask you to claim your targets and just realized you did -- I thought you hadn't named all of them but that was me not realizing it's only D4. Mafia edit: can you give reasoning for your targets? Not the self-protects, those are obvious.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:10
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I think scum poisoner makes sense and explains the lack of n1 scum kill. This makes me believe Met for now.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:37
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Ridiculous concept: Met comes up with poison doctor because he is the poisoner. He knows he can fakeclaim poison doctor because it's a ridiculous role for this small of a setup with other nightkills available.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:51
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Epsilon Plus posted:Ridiculous concept: Met comes up with poison doctor because he is the poisoner. He knows he can fakeclaim poison doctor because it's a ridiculous role for this small of a setup with other nightkills available. Why was there no n1 nightkill?
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Dec 27, 2015 00:54
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hal says he a doctor, could be why
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I could see imgay as a poisoner and met as who knows what alignment poison doctor. Scum having only a poisoner seems a little hard to buy, especially since I am a regular old doctor and seemingly I could only stop one kill from birdstrike if scum only had a poisoner. Also it is weird no one has mentioned having a common cold or anything on D2 or D3. It's possible on D3 one of the three dead people could also have been poisoned but that's a weird thing to omit if someone got poisoned on N1. Also who knows what Vimes did, but in most other games with a poisoner if there were someone who could cure it they could do it the NEXT night and didn't have to be there the same night. Met could be just altering his role a bit and he can save the next night and saved some scumbro who got poisoned N1. I am still going to go over post histories because that's still what matters, but even if you believe Met's claim that doesn't clear him as town. Also survivor with no other powers is pretty rough in a game with as many kills as we seem to have here so imgay's claim is very suspect to me.
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Epsilon Plus posted:Ridiculous concept: Met comes up with poison doctor because he is the poisoner. He knows he can fakeclaim poison doctor because it's a ridiculous role for this small of a setup with other nightkills available. This also makes at least as much sense as what I just said
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imgay posted:hal says he a doctor, could be why yes, this or some other role that we haven't seen yet.
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My claims isnt suspect as no one else has claimed 3p and no one else will. And because town hasn't lost yet.
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I didn't blow my load out of the blue here. I'm pretty sure I can see my death coming and I revealed everything I knew and my suspicions for what's going on. As for my targets, Night 1 was Vienna because he wasn't on the Turbo. I don't remember TMM. I think I just liked the cut of his jib that day. I can't easily scroll the thread right now to see what it was. Epsilon Plus was because I thought it would be odd if two Mafia got mod killed on the same day. Felt like a safe bet. I've already revealed all I got here. I called for not turboing when Kash was at -1 because it doesn't do us any good to cut the phase off days early. Could have voted him out and been jokey and simply looked like everyone else. Hal, what can you tell me about your role? I echo others sentiment that it's odd to have two Doctor roles if the mafia use poison. You would only be useful to protect people from Birdstrike (some sort of multi-vig town?) making bad calls? Or hindering him making good calls. Worst case I think we should no lynch to extend the game as much as possible. Let's push this day phase as long as we can. We have plenty of time to puzzle things through.
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Met posted:I didn't blow my load out of the blue here. I'm pretty sure I can see my death coming and I revealed everything I knew and my suspicions for what's going on. Flavor wise I am Magdalene and I use a Yum Heart to protect people. There are no restrictions or anything on my role.
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TMM presumably would have been the one poisoned N1 if the scum only have a poisoner and he posted a ton on D2 and didn't hint anywhere that he had a cold or that anything had happened to him in the night.
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Stupid question alert. Hal, do you save people the night they're supposed to die, from anything and everything? Met's poison doc claim is that he stops poison the night it's administered. The only way I can see both roles working is if town is getting two bites at the apple, that someone can be saved either night, but that implies a really heavily powered scum team, or scum + SK.
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I'm eden
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spacing in vienna posted:Stupid question alert. Hal, do you save people the night they're supposed to die, from anything and everything? My role says I can visit people and keep them from dying, no more specifics than that, but it basically looks like your standard doctor role.
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spacing in vienna posted:Stupid question alert. Hal, do you save people the night they're supposed to die, from anything and everything? One scum flipped as vanilla so I'm not sure how powerful they can be. Neutral killer makes it work but we haven't had any of those kills (other than a non-standard multi use day and night vig) and imgay claims 3P Survivor.
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There's no SK, there's one poison kill a night and there was one nightvig and guess who's doing the poisoning (hint: it will be revealed if you ##vote Met)
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Epsilon Plus posted:There's no SK, there's one poison kill a night and there was one nightvig and guess who's doing the poisoning One mislynch from a scum victory and you're insinuating there was a player who was merely a single-use nightvig when he was clearly more than that. You're trying to drive things poorly and you're pushing it SUPER hard. This is the second time you've voted me today.
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wow, it's like you missed that I was trying to imply that there's no sk or any other nightkill japery going on it's almost like if I was intentionally trying to mislead players that I'd be very bad at it (##vote Met)
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the  question: who is the roleblocker?
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Epsilon Plus posted:wow, it's like you missed that I was trying to imply that there's no sk or any other nightkill japery going on You're going to be really embarrassed if you're town. But somehow I just don't think that's the case. You didn't really do much except joke around until this phase and then went all-in on me during mylo without a real explanation. I really feel my hunch on imgay but your actions and motivations are super suspect.
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By the way, deadline is at 5am my time tomorrow. Can we extend that to the evening please, SirSamVimes?
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Sorry, I forgot to flip the deadline time to PM instead of AM. Fixed.
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Votecount for Day 4  imgay (1): Met Met (1): Epsilon Plus, Not Voting (4): Birdstrike, Hal Incandenza, imgay, spacing in viennaWith 6 alive, it's 4 votes to lynch. The current deadline is December 28th, 2015 at 8:30 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 6 hours.
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Dec 27, 2015 20:29
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I'll be away a bit today but will be back well before deadline.
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Working all day but I have tomorrow off. Might sneak a peak though.
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Met posted:You're going to be really embarrassed if you're town. But somehow I just don't think that's the case. You didn't really do much except joke around until this phase and then went all-in on me during mylo without a real explanation. You are incredibly defensive for someone with one vote on him.
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