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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




SLOSifl posted:

The censoring is pretty half assed anyway. It's like they choose to clip only the 'c' in 'gently caress' for example.

The show is censored? Granted I'm watching it on HBO Nordic, but I haven't noticed any censoring.

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




SLOSifl posted:

The best part of the resolution to the Season 1 finale was Quentin going on a quest to help his friends, giving his blood to some rando tree witch, and it all being resolved almost instantly after he left by Alice still running on Godpaste.

Margo is probably the closest the show will come in regards to have a character on the show that isn't a complete moron.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Xealot posted:

I don't think Julia or Alice are morons. At least Julia...she's just desperate and extremely traumatized what with how a god raped her and murdered her friends.
Julia willingly joined a group that pretty much had "sudden but inevitable betrayal" as their motto and Alice pissed of a powerful magical monster for shits and giggles.

enraged_camel posted:

Trading away her ex-boyfriend's first-born to the faeries was pretty loving moronic.
She made a deal where she got power and someone else had to make the sacrifice, while it's not the most moral thing to do it isn't the dumbest either.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




geeves posted:

Did we watch the same show?

Julia joined a group of people who wanted to make their lives better - they wanted to help each other.
I can agree Marina and her group, that Julia joined, wanted to make their lives better.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




STAC Goat posted:


Julia isn't an idiot, she's a victim. Before Reynard it was Marina, before Marina it was Quentin, Jane Chatwin, and Brakesbills.

She almost fried her best friend's brain because he was mean to her, she wasn't a victim when she was in Marina's group.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




hangedman1984 posted:

Josh is mothah-fukkin adorable, you shut your face.

He hosed a werewolf, not many can say that they did that.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Lupus Rufus posted:

re: First season being bad, I definitely agree. I know at least TWO people who stopped watching the show as a direct result of the episode where Quentin was trapped in a psychiatric hospital in his own mind because it was too triggering, and understandably so.

I almost gave up the show after that episode for another reason: The "maybe the protagonist is insane?" storyline has been done to death and only the "shake it off" dance party made the episode watchable.
But the show actually points how monstrous it was to do against someone who has been institutionalized.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




zeal posted:

i love it every time Eliot shows he's actually a pretty great king

Just imagine how bad Quentin would have been.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Margo continues to be best character on the show:allears:

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




geeves posted:


I also love how sex-positive this show can be while still damning assault in smart ways.

Which again shows that Margo is the best character:

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Josh Lyman posted:

That was my interpretation. He is now a force ghost.

He'll probably find a way to make it worse, as he always does.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




STAC Goat posted:

He doesn't have a better option.

He could get drunk.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Open Source Idiom posted:

I like Quentin, though I admit that a large part of that stems from him being (one of?) the only bisexual male leads on television. Plus, the actor's funny.

But Elliott is bi.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




DaveKap posted:


Content: I thought it was kinda incongruous that Q was actually affected by his depression monster talking about how he was going to have early Alzheimers and a foot face when he clearly remembers already living to an old age without getting it.


Depression isn't logical.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Woden posted:

The Magicians: Entitled Millennial Bullshit





The Magicians: You will have to snort it

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Slamhound posted:

The TV IV › The Magicians: "I'M YOUR QUEEN, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!!"

I was really digging Margot's little speech about how Elliott fell rear end-backwards into being high king while she have had to fight to get power. When I first started watching the show I wasn't really expecting her to be the one to call bullshit on the patriarchy (or that the show would have anything to say about the patriarchy or power structures at all), but here we are.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Blind Rasputin posted:


Is Margot going to become fairy queen?

She's going to be the motherfucking fairy queen.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




muscles like this! posted:

Holy poo poo, next week "The Musical Episode"

They kind of already did that.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




DaveKap posted:

Okay I'm confused by three things and thank you to whoever clarifies for me.

- "Okay, the 'not' thing is kinda arch." What does this expression mean?


graded adjective
If you say that someone is arch, you are criticizing them for talking or behaving as if they are better or more important than other people.
[disapproval]
Their attempts to be casual have so far just looked arch or patronising.
archly graded adverb
'You can't fool me,' Shirley said archly.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Open Source Idiom posted:

She's accusing him of being a camp as hell villain, basically.

Which is a bit rich given that it's coming from a one eyed fag hag and her BGF and fellow usurper king

Tick really is that camp though.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Nihonniboku posted:


And yeah, I think all of the guys on the show are incredibly attractive, Eliot especially, and none of my friends who watch the show agree. I don't get it.

He's all neck and no chin.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Margo finally gets to smash the patriarchy on Fillory! Also people gets to gently caress sloths and bears.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Kinda bullshit that Fen didn't get any toes though.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Is there really any reason for why they have to bring back magic? The fairy conflict is resolved and by using the keys they risk releasing some kind of monster into the world (which they absolutely will because they are all idiots and the season finale needs a cliffhanger). Is it really worth it to do some party tricks?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Q's dad seems strangely cool with the fact that he has to die so that his son can blow some really cool smoke rings.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




mycomancy posted:

I'm just hoping for Lovecraftian horrorporn next season.

This season couldn't even afford a pegasus, I doubt that they can afford Cthulhu in the next one.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




STAC Goat posted:


There's also probably an argument you could make that since supernatural creatures still have magic than humans need it to protect themselves. The alternate Earth where The Beast murders everyone is a pretty good case of that (although the Beast apparently murders everyone in EVERY timeline expect this one so that undercuts it a bit).

So far the magical creatures has only attacked when provoked. Even the Beast didn't show up until they started messing around with that forbidden ritual.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Woden posted:

Quentin got over the guilt that bringing back magic may kill his dad, so he's not doing it for selfish reasons.


How is that not selfish?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Nihonniboku posted:

But I believe they did give permission to the book written about her, the documentary based on the book, and the HBO movie starring Oprah about her.

Yes, because they wanted people to know that scientists used her cells without her consent.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Sy Fy is launching a new show about random people in random professions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfR9fdQJsa4

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Blazing Ownager posted:

I don't know, I guess it depends if the planned worked. I could totally see TV Margo getting tricked up to a point, figuring it out, then turning the tables with some payback.

I honestly can't. Margo is the most competent character on the show and seems extremely capable of seeing through misogynist bullshit right away.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Ember seems weirdly prejudiced against dwarfs.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Svensken posted:

Doesn't this just mean that, come next werewolf moon phase, they'll both have to kill someone Todd?

Yes, it does.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Whalley posted:

She made him kill Bacchus to save herself and everyone else, she's a Hard Decisions person

She's a Hard Decision That Favors Margo person.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




ThePagey posted:

Alice making moves to get poo poo blown the gently caress up is pretty decidedly an anti-fascist move.

Alice had no idea that anything would be blown up. In fact she has done nothing to indicate that she wants to destroy the library, only that she wants to hide from them.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Rocksicles posted:

I mean i just took it as an enlightened Penny.
It's not like Penny has been afraid to call people out on their poo poo before:

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




XboxPants posted:

I'm pretty sure Margo's recent reclamation of "pussy" hasn't been her only direct call-out.


Not even by a little:



Basically, if you don't like a show using "sjw buzzwords" then the Magicians isn't for you.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




NowonSA posted:

A fun episode, I didn't really think the penny dialogue was out of place, I was more bugged that Kady had a fun "I'm closing all Sam's cases and also maybe have some mysterious other business I'm doing" and then that pretty interesting (to me at least) idea of Kady: Magic Cop got sidelined immediately by the rent being due and what that led to. I feel like that notion got short shrift and I would have liked at least a scene of her out castin' spells and saving peeps, or for her to have that established in a prior episode and then in this episode she gets caught up by all this stuff.

I'm okay with the Magicians not devolving into a procedural show.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Blazing Ownager posted:

Also a lot of those Margo quotes are also sort of punchlines to jokes, i.e. looking at a messed up fairytale/medieval society hybrid that is backwards as gently caress through the lens of modern ideologies. The humor comes from the extreme ends of the spectrum conflicting.

They're not punchlines and a lot of those attitudes that Margo reacts is attitudes that exists in our modern society too.

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




King of Bleh posted:

I think the humor thing is a component of why some of the exposition in the last episode landed with a bit of a thud. It was played as kind of glib, but it wasn't actually funny at all, even with the "twist reveal" at the end. It was also played as being incisive and showing Penny's "enlightenment", but it didn't really work in that way either, since as someone upthread pointed out, the main cast is actually pretty diverse.

I think that's what makes it works. It's easy to say that, for example, fantasy has a lot of straight white protagonists, but the Magicians is actually doing something about it.

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