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I thought Florida was just going for medicinal, not for legalization.
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will a weed usa pressure japan to legalize all weed?
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Nonsense posted:will a weed usa pressure japan to legalize all weed? east asia will probably be the last few countries on the planet to legalize anything
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Patter Song posted:It's way too early to predict, because we don't have the final list of states with referenda. Even if you start out with Vermont as a gimme, 5 would be Maine, Massachusetts, California, and (most likely) Nevada. What would 6 be, Arizona? And for this, Vermont isn't even counted, since this is about electoral legalization, not legislative legalization. Which perhaps some people voted without reading all my fine stipulations.
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Agnostalgia posted:You wouldn't really expect a bell curve here, the 5+ option includes everything from 5 to 20 states or however many are actually having initiatives so it would include the summed values of the entire right tail. Its currently 14. It could be more or less, depending on what goes through. Still, it is kind of like if I had a poll and I said "enter your height" and I included one inch increments until I got to 6'6"+, and there was an equal amount of people who were over 6'6" as were 5'9", that would be a little unusual. Basically not all of these measures are equal.
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So how is weed going to get elected? What is its platform? What are its foreign policy planks?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:So how is weed going to get elected? What is its platform? Hotbox the entire Middle East and hold a peace summit/drum circle
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Patter Song posted:I thought Florida was just going for medicinal, not for legalization. It is only Medicinal and it's a super limited one at that. Only five growers iirc, and only for one particular strain to be prescribed as a last resort measure. The Legalization amendment didn't get enough signatures to go on the ballot (https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Cannabis_Act_(2016))
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Aliquid posted:east asia will probably be the last few countries on the planet to legalize anything TBF we've always been at drug war with Eastasia.
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The French Army! posted:... Vermont, sure, but not New Hampshire. We just got a hugely restrictive medical law passed a few years ago (that hasn't even started even though it was supposed to last year), and haven't even decriminalized it at all yet. The Senate probably wouldn't pass it, and the governor would probably veto legalization anyway. NH is way behind the rest of New England as far as weed. I'm hopeful about Vermont though, and Mass, maybe Maine. Just one of those states going legal in the Northeast would make a big difference.
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Maine will need to wait until the next election because their governor is a piece of poo poo. Dunno if MA's governor would veto legislative legalization.
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Aliquid posted:Maine will need to wait until the next election because their governor is a piece of poo poo. Dunno if MA's governor would veto legislative legalization. e. It's a ballot initiative. Gov. Baker can't veto it. GonadTheBallbarian has issued a correction as of 22:55 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Broken Machine posted:Vermont, sure, but not New Hampshire. We just got a hugely restrictive medical law passed a few years ago (that hasn't even started even though it was supposed to last year), and haven't even decriminalized it at all yet. The Senate probably wouldn't pass it, and the governor would probably veto legalization anyway. NH is way behind the rest of New England as far as weed. I'm hopeful about Vermont though, and Mass, maybe Maine. Just one of those states going legal in the Northeast would make a big difference.
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I spent some time living in Federal Hill and there were hydro shops springing up left and right, they must have a pretty liberal MMJ system up in RI.
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Oh poo poo, my apologies; I was unaware there was a legislative bill up in MA independent of the ballot initiative. Text of H.1561 If that passes, Baker almost certainly vetoes it, but there's nothing he can do if the CRMLA bill passes with a simple majority. But uh, if he vetoes that... he's as good as gone in the next election.
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WugLyfe posted:Oh poo poo, my apologies; I was unaware there was a legislative bill up in MA independent of the ballot initiative. There is quite a bit that governors and legislatures can do if they want to. Oregon, Washington and Colorado could have dragged the whole thing through the courts or saddled it with regulations. In most cases, they chose not to. There is a good chance that at least in one state that legalizes through initiative, it will be blocked in the legislature or the courts.
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I live in CA and I feel like it's not going to happen here. Even medical MJ got enough pushback last time. I just don't think people here are ready for it. Most people I know, yes, but CA as a whole, no. Just my feeling though, not backed by polls. Are there any polls on this?
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redreader posted:I live in CA and I feel like it's not going to happen here. Even medical MJ got enough pushback last time. I just don't think people here are ready for it. Most people I know, yes, but CA as a whole, no. Just my feeling though, not backed by polls. Are there any polls on this? If weed legalization has overtaken prohibition in the polls nationally, consistently holding a majority, how do you figure it's worse in California?
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in 2010 it came 3.5% short of a 50% yes vote. that's a midterm with fewer young liberals showing up, indeed one of the strongest conservative wave elections in history, PLUS the attorney general said he would sue california if they voted yes. even in that environment it didn't fall very far short with a presidential electorate and a clear precedent for states not getting sued after they legalize and regulate recreational marijuana i think the extra 3.5% can be found if you look at the polling it was getting 50%+ before turning negative in october, although tbf googling indicates that the first negative poll from early october seems to have predated eric holder's statement https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_19,_the_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2010)#Polls the prison industry is quite strong in california which makes for an interesting counterpoint to the general 'california loves weed and is liberal' argument, i'll be interested to see if the prison guard unions and counties with lots of prison jobs and stuff start throwing up 'vote no' advertising so they can keep getting thrown scraps of the profits gleaned by their betters from the institutionalized brutalization of the urban poor edit: in june 2015 a poll came out 54% would support ending prohibition with the number rising to 56% after screening for likely voters. it's not a landslide sort of number - apparently another thing worth considering is opposition from latinos, 60% of whom opposed it in that poll. margin of error around 4% http://www.ppic.org/main/pressrelease.asp?i=1784 so it's not a slam dunk, looks like oystertoadfish has issued a correction as of 08:51 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Thanks Oystertoadfish, I didn't know any of that stuff. Very informative!
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I haven't checked this thread, and the links to ballotpedia, but apparently there are now 17 different possible legalization measures in California. I think that is more than last time. I wonder if stoners are all like "lets get a legalization measure on the ballot!" and just totally forgot that they already did that, last week.
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Could be a Massachusetts like deal where there's all sorts of different philosophies to implementing it. There's a few big money interests that are looking to use these laws as a way to guarantee 0 competition from the get go.
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In a surprising twist, Arkansas finally let another MM proposal get past the "gently caress off your title is too ambiguous" phase to the signature gathering part. If one makes it to the ballot, it has a good chance of passing since the last one was only 51-49 against.quote:Following Attorney General Leslie Rutledge approving a marijuana proposal for the first time since taking office, there are now two medical marijuana petitions circulating. There are several differences between the newly approved Arkansas Medical Marijuana Amendment of 2016 and the Arkansas Medical cannabis Act; one of the big differences is how the sales tax would be distributed.
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glowing-fish posted:I haven't checked this thread, and the links to ballotpedia, but apparently there are now 17 different possible legalization measures in California. I think that is more than last time. i saw this article a while back, apparently they narrow it down to 4 likely ones and really they're making it sound like the first one has all the momentum http://legacy.abc10.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/13/here-4-measures-competing-legalize-marijuana-california/78637816/ quote:Legalization advocates told ABC10 there won't be more than one measure by November, but as it stands now, the field has refined itself from the 18 initiatives (so far) filed with the state to about four. that's from january, i don't really know if things have changed since then
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Brocialist posted:Could be a Massachusetts like deal where there's all sorts of different philosophies to implementing it. the establishment in MA has begun their huge push against legalization, and i'm starting to feel very nervous about it actually passing in this dumb commonwealth that gets worse every drat year luckily i work in RI and drive past an MMJ place every day, so I'm much more hopeful about li'l rhody.
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I really dislike the medical baggage being tied to something 99% of people use for recreation. Unless there is politician purging language tied to the medical weed proposals, I don't call that "progress" at all.
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oystertoadfish posted:i saw this article a while back, apparently they narrow it down to 4 likely ones and really they're making it sound like the first one has all the momentum Well, the Lt governor, Gavin Newsome, just backed one of them, so that is probably the front runner http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2016/03/22/gavin-newsom-endorses-legal-marijuana-initiative/
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Powercrazy posted:I really dislike the medical baggage being tied to something 99% of people use for recreation. ok
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The Glumslinger posted:Well, the Lt governor, Gavin Newsome, just backed one of them, so that is probably the front runner it seems like they made a lot of compromises early in both directions and as a result they've got the LG and NORML onside. this is how the weed legalization people operate, now that they're a real political presence like any other lobby. in the world of people who actually get people with potpourri in their pockets out of jail sentences instead of just whining, that is how referenda are passed and progress is effected
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Powercrazy posted:I really dislike the medical baggage being tied to something 99% of people use for recreation. First, many people have a legitimate medical need that marijuana fulfills so it's best to move as rapidly as possible to help those people because it's an easier sell. Second, medical has been the first step towards recreation for all the recreational states.
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Have there been any new polls for any of the states with legalization measures on the ballot this November?
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Decided to check what will be on the ballot. There's STILL a lot we're not sure about. California, Nevada, and Maine will definitely be on the ballot, along with Florida medicinal. Arizona and Massachusetts will almost definitely be on the ballot. Still possible are Arkansas, Michigan, North Dakota, Missouri medicinal, and Oklahoma medicinal. By the end of next month we should be able to make a good final list of which states will have referenda.
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Brocialist posted:Have there been any new polls for any of the states with legalization measures on the ballot this November? CA may not be the most exciting state for big changes, but I've been following it a bit - this poll from May had the most data I've seen in a long time: http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/Crosstabs_LikelyVoters0516.pdf page 33 for marijuana questions in general, a majority of almost every demographic subgroup they poll - every region, old and young, educated and not, both genders, all ethnic groups, etc - prefer legalization by a majority, except: (1) republicans/conservatives, and (2) non-native born residents, but both of those groups are significant minorities 
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Aliquid posted:east asia will probably be the last few countries on the planet to legalize anything dprk has legal weed 420 biotch ss
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I'd really like to see Maine succeed. Not just for the people of Maine, but so maybe recreational isn't just some West coast hippy crap to people over 40. Now yeah, they'll write off Maine as full of weird hippies, but most on the east coast respect Maine more than Oregon.
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I'm hoping it makes the Boston cabal of cockknuckles back off trying to get the measure thrown out. If they know it's futile, here's to hoping.
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Bloody Queef posted:most on the east coast respect Maine more than Oregon. What does this mean?
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Powercrazy posted:What does this mean? There's a fair amount of us vs them attitude with East coast and west coast. Did you not know this?
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