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Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!



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bees x1000 posted:

And Pitou is the most changed/humanized/moralized/goodinized of the royal guard at that point.

Idk her headless body freaking out like a twitching insect was freaky as poo poo. That whole sequence was hard to watch.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Pitou is still a dangerous threat and if she'd survived everyone would likely have been extremely hosed it's worth mentioning. She has humanized quite a bit but her loyalty to her King is still paramount. She can show empathy and pity but Gon killing her did save some lives. It just gained him absolutely nothing on a personal level while costing him almost everything, and the lives he saved were basically by accident.

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010


Marx Headroom posted:

Idk her headless body freaking out like a twitching insect was freaky as poo poo. That whole sequence was hard to watch.

Itís not really as bad as the rampant child murder but I donít really think Gon vs Pitou isnít meant to be comfortable to watch cause itís a hosed up unnatural transformation and basically not even a fight, itís a massacre, cause if Gon had been trying to finish her and not exact some hosed up catharsis revenge atonement he would have just cut her head off and been done with it.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


ImpAtom posted:

Pitou is still a dangerous threat and if she'd survived everyone would likely have been extremely hosed it's worth mentioning. She has humanized quite a bit but her loyalty to her King is still paramount. She can show empathy and pity but Gon killing her did save some lives. It just gained him absolutely nothing on a personal level while costing him almost everything, and the lives he saved were basically by accident.

Pitou however was the most loyal to the King as a person, rather then as an ideal like how Pouf was. Pitou likely would have just respected whatever Meruem's wishes were. (Maybe she would have tried to save Merum's life with Dr Blythe, but there is a decent chance he would have sent Pitou away having figured out he was dying by that point.)

Heck if one if Pitou had not become scared of Gon, or if Pouf had not tricked Pitou into thinking that Komugi was out of the invasion team's hands, the fight between Gon and Pitou probably would not have happened.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007


poo poo, if pitou had burned her life like gon did to save meruem she might have actually succeeded.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.


From my POV, Pouf is probably the most human of the Royal Guard. Although nowhere close to being 'good'.

Ultimately, I feel like the 'humanising' arc that Youpi and Pitou appear to be on is intended to be illusory. Pitou never cares about Komugi at all as a person, only as something important to the King. There is also no real sincerity behind apologising to Gon, if anything it is intended just to destabilise him. Pitou is planning the entire time to kill him and stalls for time to heal their injuries. They are portrayed pretty much as entirely amoral throughout. They never take a single action that isn't either to amuse themselves personally (generally fighting and turning people into puppets) or for the King's benefit.

Youpi probably comes closest to being 'good', but their progress is stripped away in an instant when reconnecting with the King. All three are slaved to the King and their ant instincts. The whole pre-battle conversation with Meruem and Netero basically outlines the idea that true reconciliation with the Ants in general isn't possible, their human fancies, morality and proclivities can melt away in an instant due to their fundamental nature, which is why he never even considers bargaining and talking things out (that and the terms are a bit, uh, bad).

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this


Turin Turambar posted:

It's clearly inspired by the famous super saiyan Goku moment. That's kinda the point, Togashi took a shonen trope and did his own, twisted, improved version. He established before that nen depends a lot on pure feeling and psyche and he established the pledge system, so it was less of a arbitrary powerup, and he made it more dramatic and with consequences.
In a way it's Togashi flexing, taking one of the most famous moments in shonen and saying 'no, this is how it is done'.

While I won't deny it's a very powerful moment, I think you're making too big a deal of it. It's a dark twist on a classic shonen trope, yes, but it's definitely "not how it's done" or even "improved". In most shonen stories the tonal clash would be horrible, for one.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Jeza posted:

There is also no real sincerity behind apologising to Gon, if anything it is intended just to destabilise him. Pitou is planning the entire time to kill him and stalls for time to heal their injuries.

This is not true. Pitou apologizes to him saying Kite can't be healed then starts healing their arm, and after doing so, apologizes to Gon again before stating that they are going to kill Gon for the King's sake. Pitou also lets Gon get his emotions out before making any moves against him.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Kyte posted:

While I won't deny it's a very powerful moment, I think you're making too big a deal of it. It's a dark twist on a classic shonen trope, yes, but it's definitely "not how it's done" or even "improved". In most shonen stories the tonal clash would be horrible, for one.

Most shonen already have that tonal clash anyway. As most of them deal with loss of some kind but once the transformation takes place the loss is regulated to an afterthought.

I think Hunter is one of the few shonen that has a consistent tone about it really.

That and his previous work Yu Yu. Though that went in a more depressed way instead of angry

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010


Sorry to bump this again (I donít think any of us have any real hope at this point though), but I have a question thatís been bugging me for a while thatís probably been discussed at some point.

Whatís the point of Scissors? Besides being thematic to the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing, like in theory I could see it working as a deathblow, except A: itís being used at 70% efficiency and B: Jajaken already lets Gon hit so far above his weight that anything hit by Rock is usually crippled to the point where it doesnít even matter.

I figure the answer is just ďGonís kinda dumb so he didnít think it through so well and refine it accordingly before he lost his nenĒ but thereís always a chance itís properties are elaborated on in the volume releases or something. Which, would be nice to buy, except it hasnít been on Amazon in like a year...

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Oct 31, 2012


Last Celebration posted:

Sorry to bump this again (I donít think any of us have any real hope at this point though), but I have a question thatís been bugging me for a while thatís probably been discussed at some point.

Whatís the point of Scissors? Besides being thematic to the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing, like in theory I could see it working as a deathblow, except A: itís being used at 70% efficiency and B: Jajaken already lets Gon hit so far above his weight that anything hit by Rock is usually crippled to the point where it doesnít even matter.

I figure the answer is just ďGonís kinda dumb so he didnít think it through so well and refine it accordingly before he lost his nenĒ but thereís always a chance itís properties are elaborated on in the volume releases or something. Which, would be nice to buy, except it hasnít been on Amazon in like a year...

Scissors exists because Gon is like 14 and based his ability around a children's game. He only really needs to use the punch portion of his hatsu and uses paper mostly against Knuckles the one time. So yes "Gon's kinda dumb so he didn't think it through so well and refine it accordingly before he lost his nen"

The properties of scissors are implied through basic transmutation, people can learn to shape their aura and applying a basic physical trait doesn't seem to be a super high level concept. Not unlike making aura hot like a sun or sticky like bum. Gon only makes his aura sharp and roughly shapes it into a wedge.

YES, I still have hope but only because I've waited longer for manga where the artist had damaged his wrist so Togashi's older age doesn't daunt me.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010


Scissors has more range and gives him utility/mix up like when he fought the centipede.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011


Last Celebration posted:

Sorry to bump this again (I donít think any of us have any real hope at this point though), but I have a question thatís been bugging me for a while thatís probably been discussed at some point.

Whatís the point of Scissors? Besides being thematic to the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing, like in theory I could see it working as a deathblow, except A: itís being used at 70% efficiency and B: Jajaken already lets Gon hit so far above his weight that anything hit by Rock is usually crippled to the point where it doesnít even matter.

I figure the answer is just ďGonís kinda dumb so he didnít think it through so well and refine it accordingly before he lost his nenĒ but thereís always a chance itís properties are elaborated on in the volume releases or something. Which, would be nice to buy, except it hasnít been on Amazon in like a year...

It was always in a kind of weird place. The most useful I can remember it being was against one of the ants relatively early in the arc, since the ant had a ton of arms and could block Rock as it existed at the time; Scissors let him just cleave it in half instead.

Otherwise it was probably mostly useful for making Jajaken more thematic as a whole and his affinity with it making it a more effective technique, because Nen.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012



Since this got bumped up, apparently HBO Max has all of the anime dubbed. I have Hulu too, where the dub awkwardly ends in the middle of York New, and the sub awkwardly ends like 3 episodes into the Chimera Ants.

I'm dropping into some of these later episodes, watching some cool moments with voices I've never heard before.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007


scissors and paper were pointless and weak because gon hadn't really reached the point of developing his secondary nen affinities very far. they were going to be comparable to rock at some unspecified later date after a lot of training. except then the unstable child burned himself out by going on a mission he really had no business doing. whoops!

TriffTshngo
Mar 28, 2010

DANTE IS NOT


They mostly existed for utility, and so he could bluff opponents. He'd be a really bad matchup for someone like Welfin, for example, who was constantly overthinking every scenario.

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010


gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

scissors and paper were pointless and weak because gon hadn't really reached the point of developing his secondary nen affinities very far. they were going to be comparable to rock at some unspecified later date after a lot of training. except then the unstable child burned himself out by going on a mission he really had no business doing. whoops!

To be fair the adults let him join the mission he had no business joining, and really when you think about it it was basically a suicide mission even if they didnít say it cause how could you possibly expect Gon/Killua to actually defeat Pitou. Distract long enough to get her away from the King yeah, but probably the most surprising part of the palace invasion is how few casualties were caused, even including everyone infected by Poufís radioactive scales.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Last Celebration posted:

To be fair the adults let him join the mission he had no business joining, and really when you think about it it was basically a suicide mission even if they didnít say it cause how could you possibly expect Gon/Killua to actually defeat Pitou. Distract long enough to get her away from the King yeah, but probably the most surprising part of the palace invasion is how few casualties were caused, even including everyone infected by Poufís radioactive scales.

He is a Hunter. In that world, he is an adult.

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bees x1000
Jun 11, 2020

Love and Anger


and as shown many times throughout the series, heís a remarkably strong hunter. Sure, he was no match for Pitou, but none of the Hunters actually straight up won their final Ant fights.

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