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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Love this series. Chimeria Ant Arc is my favorite. But I do like all of the other arcs as well. I don't think there is a bad one in the bunch.

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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How can Ending 4 or 5 be so far apart? They are the same song. (A good song too.)

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Clarste posted:

When did Ging say that? All I remember is him saying he'd become "normal", as in unable to use or see nen, like a normal person. He still has an aura, it's just not particularly powerful. Again, like a normal person. And then this was immediately followed by a discussion of his education, implying that he wouldn't be doing hunter stuff anymore.

He even said that Gon was lucky to have gotten back to normal and that he should take it and that asking for more is going to result in bad stuff happening. (Which is true if Killua did not have Alluka, Gon would be dying in a bed.)

Killua has also seperated from Gon and is going his own path with his sister/brother (Who knows what the deal is there.)

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Roland Jones posted:

Sister. Alluka says she's a girl, Killua refers to her as his sister, she's a girl.

His brothers called Alluka brother. And his parents called Alluka an it.

Anyway I am fine with accepting Alluka as a girl.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Double Star Hunters are masters of their chosen field who have successfully trained a student to becoming a single star hunter. While Triple Star Hunters are Double Star Hunters who are masters of several fields who have done really really impressive things in them. Ging is mainly into Ruins and exploration that would be why he is not a triple star having not broadened his interests enough possibly.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Dec 24, 2015

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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What is everyone's opinion on the 3 royal guards and the lesser chimera ants.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Butt Ghost posted:

Pouf can eat a dick

RIP Pitou holy poo poo

I felt really really bad for Pitou.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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I like your post a lot other the fact that I see Pitou as a girl. (Pitou being a girl seems to be the current majority held opinion. What with Pitou having breasts and all in the anime.)

But Yeah if Pitou has survived I think she would have had an interesting role. (Though Depressed Funk would happen first as she would have failed in both tasks as both the King and Komugi would be dead.)

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Dec 27, 2015

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Clarste posted:

Pitou didn't want to kill Gon, but she felt like she needed to. Right before their fight, Pitou said something like "I'm sorry, but I need to kill you." And there's really no reason for Pitou to lie about that. The idea being that she learned empathy very quickly.

Though Pitou was only going to attack because of Pouf's lies.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Wild Horses posted:

also most people don't dedicate their lives to blood sport in such a way as hisoka. He's a brutal mass murderer with a perfect nen for killing.

His stated reason for becoming a hunter is so he can murder people without consequence.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Pitou maybe could have saved him from the Radiation using Dr Blythe, but she had her fight with Gon.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Zeratanis posted:

Finished 127.

It's weird how much I ended up liking a lot of the ants, even the ones that die horribly(Pike-chan~). Seeing Youpie shred tears is pretty hilarious. Feeling pretty bad for Pitou currently though. Gon is a bully. :(

e; 128- This feeding scene is so gay and I love every second of it holy gently caress.

e2; :cry: That was a good conclusion to that arc.

Chimera Ant is a good arc. But it`s really sad.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Is this the longest break yet? I think we still have a few weeks before we are surpass the longest break.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jan 4, 2016

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Genocyber posted:

I enjoyed Genthru for just that reason. He's not a super criminal like the Phantom Troupe members (even if he is a mass murderer) nor is he a genetic monstrosity like the ants. He's just a top-tier Hunter, and that alone puts him head and shoulders above Gon, requiring the plan that only would have worked in GI to beat him. I also love how the first bit of their fight is one of the few more traditional fights that we get post-Heavens Arena.


Agreed. He basically took the main weakness of your average Manipulator and made it into a strength.

Which consists of Gon getting the crap getting kicked out of him because he was too proud to run away and lead Genthru into their trap right away.

Anyway I also agree about the Auto pilot for Shalnark being a cool little thing. It's a back up ability in case his main tactics won't work. It's shows he is prepared, he outright states he does not use it often and it has side effects like weakening him for 2 to 3 days. It's also a fairly fun little power.

He gives himself a command and until it's completed he remains in autopilot mode unaware of himself. (This is actually a major danger to himself. If he gives himself a command that can't be completed for some reason, he would remain unaware of himself and presumably just stand still forever.) Because he is manipulating himself he is immune to manipulation.

Pretty much I like the powers Shalnark has.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Eej posted:

I'm not sure if it was part of the plan but Pitou's version is way scarier than that dumb nerd's super saiyan gimmick

Pitou's not even a manipulator. She conjurers horrible puppet things that control people and corpses.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Jose posted:

I liked that he added another character with a power similar to Chrollo's that had huge drawbacks to use just like his but because the character wasn't a specialist using the nen ability was a one time thing. He generally did a good job of showing why a character is a specialist without having to explain it

Leol? He was a specialist.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Clarste posted:

As I recall, they said something like "Manipulators and Conjurers are the groups most likely to develop a Specialist skill." The impression I got was that most if not all Specialists were like Kurapika, and had one of the normal categories plus Specialization on top of that. So, for example, Chrollo would be a conjurer/specialist (he summons the book), while Pitou would be a manipulator/specialist.

It doesn't really make any difference though.

As I mentioned Pitou uses Conjouration more then Manipulation. All of her Specialist abilities involve the use of conjuring puppets and dolls.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Roland Jones posted:

Specialization is its own thing, it's just assumed to be closer to the "bottom" categories on the hexagon. It has its own result in the water test, as both Pitou (making the leaf disintegrate) and Kurapika in Emperor Time (unseen but tested during a flashback) have demonstrated, so it's a separate category that can both be a "primary" one and one that non-Specialists can possibly develop, though as you say, it's more likely for Manipulators and Conjurers.

And yeah, Leol was a Specialist, his ability just worked different. Chrollo jumps through hoops to steal a power as long as the person who he took it from lives, while Leol could just borrow a power if he got the person to owe him a favor. Easier to take, but only "one use", for whatever that means given that both powers he demonstrated had fairly long durations.

Leol gets 24 hours out of an ability he borrows. He does not need to use all 24 hours at once and the person he borrowed it from still gets access while Leol is not using it. A powerful ability. it's superior to Chrollo's in the respects that it's easier for Leol to obtain abilities, and that it allows him to take the abilities of his allies without screwing them over in the long term. (As long as he does not use their powers while they are in the middle of fighting.) It has the same flaw as Chrollo's in that he loses access to powers if the person they are obtained from dies.

Chrollo gets the powers permanently but has to go through more hoops to get them. Both abilities are good and I would rank them around the same level.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Kild posted:

e: It's also the first time he's dealt with loss and being lied to in such a manner.

Pitou did not lie. Pitou simply could not keep the promise. Pitou had no idea who Kite was, it took her a bit to remember who Gon was. Once she saw Kite it was impossible to keep the promise. More or less "I can't bring back the dead and he died in the fight against me. I'm sorry." Pitou even deactivates her puppet on Kite to show that he was dead.

After this Gon starts crying and mourning while in his mind going from blaming Pitou and himself for everything. (In which Pitou does something fairly kind and lets him deal with his grief for a few minutes.) Before they come into conflict.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Kild posted:

Gon doesn't care about Pitou's reason. She said she'd do it.

Oh of course. Which is why Gon called her a liar after.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Serious Frolicking posted:

Yeah, but the conclusion he came to was to kill Pitou instead of himself. So, he obviously didn't blame himself that much!

As for nen users being able to pass the exam, even the most basic level of reinforcement would be a huge advantage. There are tests of perception, but almost all of those are backed up by physical strength requirements. Then there are the competitive parts, where having a mysterious power that others wouldn't be able to perceive at all would almost guarantee victory. Just firing some piddly little emission ball would be very effective against a regular person.

He did not decide to attack Pitou until Pitou confronted him about how he was a threat and needed to die for the Kings Sake. Upon which Gon attacked and threw away his future to kill Pitou.

We can blame Pouf for that whole situation. Had Pouf not lied to Pitou that Komugi was safe, she would not have risked Komugi's safety to get rid of Gon while she knew Palm was watching. Likely Pitou would have confirmed Kite's death to him after seeing his corpse then left while he was crying. Gon likely would have stayed were he was for the rest of the arc mourning.

Ironically Pouf's action here may have resulted in his death. If Pitou had come back she likely could have saved the King and Pouf using Dr Blythe. (Youpi though was probably dead no matter what as the king did not figure out that he was dying until he saw Youpi's corpse.)

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Clarste posted:

It's just interesting that one of the most powerful nen users in the series chose an ability that she wasn't very talented at.

She pointed out that was getting better at it. She speculated it would take a hour to fix Komugi's fatal injuries. (After which Komugi was perfectly fine.) When it only took half the time which Pitou was surprised about.

Kurapika's healing no doubt would not work on a severed arm like Pitou's would and I doubt think it works on anyone but him.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Clarste posted:

Yeah, her main ability is puppeteering (both of corpses and herself), but she came up with a surgeon ability because she wanted to fix Kite's body. For more puppeteering.

I also love it's name Terpsichora Puppet Master's Serenity, dance past your limits.

Also Knov's vision of what will happen if Pitou captures him. (When you look at it closely it's very gruesome.)

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jan 7, 2016

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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On Chrollo stealing powers. He can also just subdue his enemies. If they get captured like Owl did then stealing would be quite simple. Stealing a power in the middle of a fight is pretty much not going to happen.


I kind of find it funny that despite Feitan winning the bet to become acting leader of the Troupe, Phinks is still the one more or less in charge with Chrollo's absence.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Roland Jones posted:

All the names I'm using, at least, are from the Viz translation, which is pretty old. I think the subs for the 2011 anime were consistent with that, so that might be part of it, though.

I think the Lobster Chimera Ant changed between the two. Bloster in VIz, Brovada in Subs. (Which makes sense as what they are saying sounds nothing like Bloster.)

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Eej posted:

It is a total crapshoot. Remember that Kurapika had no idea how strong his abilities would be despite using an incredibly narrow restriction on their use so he tested it out against the physically strongest member of the Troupe first.

Well all he needed was the jail chain to win as it puts his opponent in Zetsu. If I remember correctly he went after Uvo first because he was unsure if the chains themselves would be strong enough to restrain the Troupe. (I think despite the abilities on them they are just normal chains.) So if the physically strongest member in Zetsu was unable to break out of the chains then none of them would be.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Serious Frolicking posted:

Uvo solved every problem with brute force. It wasn't like he was particularly stupid, but he was strong enough that brute force was enough until he met someone stronger.

Well he did not meet someone better then him in brute force. Just someone who was tailor made to beat him.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Bad Seafood posted:

Can't remember the exact episode number, but mine's the one where Gon and Killua find Pitou healing Komugi.

One of the most powerful moments in any shounen series, IMO.

I love that moment too.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Genocyber posted:

Nah, it'll fill him with detemmination.

I hope it does. There are a only a few weeks left before this becomes the longest hiatus. So I hope we hear news that new chapters are coming.


(Also Temmie is cool)

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Jostiband posted:

This is a good avvy btw

Oh Thanks. I like the Royal Guard. Some of the best antagonists in the series.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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It's Kite. She had not even met Pouf yet when she posted that. (Who she is a fan of.)

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Silver2195 posted:

One 1999 change I did like was making Lelute a psychologist who deliberately drove her patients to suicide instead of helping them get better, while in the manga she's either a poacher or a smuggler who happens to know some psychology factoids. It's telling that the one of the Wikipedia articles about the manga incorrectly mentions Lelute being a psychologist; the manga version just makes less of an impression.

Leroute is a Animal Trafficker and Illegal Gambler. Being good at mind games is required for most Gamblers.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Roland Jones posted:

Bonolenov's ability requires him to dance around and play music, and its power depends on how good re resulting music is as well as its length and complexity. If he's pulling off the Jupiter-summoning dances in combat either he's amazing or you really, really suck at fighting/are letting him dance because you don't think he's a threat or something.

Feitain's power, meanwhile, is pretty ridiculous, yeah. I think there has to be some conditions to it beyond getting hurt, but, still.

Bonelenov's power is also always on it seems. So he wears gloves and bandages to cover up his holes to avoid making sounds that conjurers something by mistake in his regular movement.

Feitan's power is limited in a few ways. One Feitan has to be utterly pissed off and the strength of his attack depends on how much damage he has taken. Zazan probably could have beaten him had she been less careful after she entered her second form. It took Feitan quite a bit to armor up and unleash his Sun. Had Zazan kept on the offensive instead of backing off to see what Feitan could do she probably would have crushed him.

Feitan's power would also be useless against really powerful people. Lets say he fought Pitou or Youpi. His power requires that he takes damage and if one of those two hit him he would die on the spot.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Bad Seafood posted:

That's not really much of a restriction for him.

There is a difference between being angry and being utterly enraged. Which Feitan was after his arm was broken.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

I am fairly certain that was a joke.

Probably.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Ytlaya posted:

They were getting their poo poo pushed in by the Royal Guard, who are all vastly more powerful than the ants the Troupe were up against (with the only possible exception of post-transformation Zazan).

Cheetu and Leol would probably be around Zazan's level. but Cheetu was a Dumbass. However Leol only lost his fight with Morel due to the location of the fight and something that he never could have seen coming.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Momomo posted:

It really goes back to the root of the problem for me, I really didn't like that the Chimera Ants used Nen like everyone else, and ended up being much better at it within days then people who spent their whole lives doing it. It really didn't lend well to the system they spent so long developing, and just turned it into power levels.

Though really, it was a bigger problem that they lasted as long as they did. The exact same stuff could've happened and their downfalls could be seen as "lack of experience", but that excuse doesn't work that well when they have like, thirty episodes to dick around in.

You can blame Pouf for that. He has the power to develop Nen Abilities. Leol pointed out that he was able to master his power in three days thanks to Pouf's help.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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YOU CAN SMILE AGAIN!

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Bad Seafood posted:

I get the feeling the majority of threats lurking in the Dark Continent are more "Animalistic" in nature - strong, perhaps, but impersonal, unthinking - whereas what made the Chimera Ants uniquely terrifying was their capacity to reason, to use their strength "Intelligently." There are probably a great many things in the Dark Continent far more powerful than the King and his entourage, but many of them are likely things which only attack out of a need to survive rather than malice or design. They can be eluded, avoided, or satisfied. The strongest martial artist in the world is still weaker than a blue whale in terms of raw power, but blue whales live in the ocean and won't deliberately seek out people to destroy them.

All this to say, while there are many things more powerful than the Chimera Ants, I wouldn't necessarily say that makes them more dangerous - excepting of course things like the great calamities which are apparently terrors on a wholly different level.

Netero straight up said that the threats in the Dark Continent were not really about Strength. The stuff there was typically stuff that could not be fought. Which is why Netero said it was a challenge he was not really interested in.

Even if none of the things there are stronger then the King. Lots of the stuff just does not need to be it could kill you in ways that has nothing to do with strength.

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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They are also called the Ai because they make that sound.

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