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KozmoNaut posted:It's really hard to go wrong with Yamaha. My first saxophone and my first motorcycle were made by the same company!  (can an instrument count as a relic? I don't think so, the YAS-62S was a good saxophone and it lasted me a long while)  I have no idea if this is a relic or not, since it was actually my cousin's and I only rode it a handful of times Mousepractice has a new favorite as of 13:25 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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Late 70s stereo equipment is definitely my favorite thing. I picked up this JVC yesterday at a garage sale. I just ordered some bulbs that will hopefully work for the dial lights, and it will be good as new. The Sansui below is my current centerpiece:  Join us in the vintage audio thread! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3021252&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=156 I also picked this up for a buck yesterday:  Obviously it's useless now with digital TV, but I always liked Sony's design of 80s portables. This will go in my walkman collection.
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I'm the enya tape
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Armacham posted:I'm the enya tape  She stopped doing cassettes in 2005 so I've had to roll my own. Queen_Combat has a new favorite as of 22:32 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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I need to find someone to help me troubleshoot the weirdness in my Yamaha SR-50 amp I use for PC sound. One channel comes and goes, but if I change the surround processing mode (as it's a surround sound amp in reality but I don't use it as one) it comes back (but doesn't sound as good). Anyway, I've had it repaired before years ago but it recently started happening again and it seems simple enough internally to have a shot myself, but I don't really know where to start. As Metal Geir Skogul mentioned, I've replaced a relay in another Yamaha amp myself that solved a power up issue, but this is something further down the line and unless something has actually blown up I don't know what to test or how.
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Mousepractice posted:My first saxophone and my first motorcycle were made by the same company! The FZ6 is the saxophone of motorcycles
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Mousepractice posted:My first saxophone and my first motorcycle were made by the same company! I have a Conn 30m which probably does count as a tech relic. It was Conn's high-end tenor from the late '30s until the Second World War, and it probably has more adjustments and set screws than any other sax ever made. Conn used to be way more willing to experiment around with the design of orchestral instruments than most of the other big name manufacturers. I also own a Conn 28A cornet, which is one of a series of Conn instruments that (intentionally) blur the line between cornets and trumpets, a relic of the argument over whether the cornet or trumpet was a better soloists' instrument (early in the 20th Century the common wisdom was that coronets were more `musical' than trumpets). Conn also made a line of clarinets using `propeller wood', which is basically just an unstained cocobolo laminate they used when grenadilla became harder to get because of the Second World War (the material was never actually used for aircraft propellers, it just resembles similar laminates that were used for this purpose). If you want an example of an alto sax that's a tech relic, that's probably the Grafton acrylic alto.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKentKiGOY Mr B Natural approves of Conn
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SubG posted:I don't know about the YAS-62, but the tenor model of that line, the YTS-62 isn't an instrument you'd need to learn any quirks to play. Unlike some tenors made roughly before the '50s, which often have weird pinkie table ergonomics, extraneous trill keys, and that kind of thing. I love this post so much 
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https://twitter.com/XYQOM/status/1022665027113951232
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Huh. I was scrolling through that thinking "for once I won't be surprised it's a loss edit! I see it already!"
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This is actually good ref for artists, and I can see myself making pixel art of this. I don't know what the different configs mean, but I like it.
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  DicktheCat posted:This is actually good ref for artists, and I can see myself making pixel art of this. I don't know what the different configs mean, but I like it. Off, On, Disk In, Disk Read.
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DicktheCat posted:I don't know what the different configs mean, but I like it. I just had a vision of my future, I'm going to be at a museum or something showing kids how floppy drives worked  Edit: Here are some instructions for using a floppy disk drive I found in the IBM PC manual, for those who don't know this stuff   I got the manual from https://www.retroarchive.org Edit 2: Just to be clear, that is an entire desktop PC with a built-in floppy drive, not just a massive version of the Commodore 64 floppy drive! Buttcoin purse has a new favorite as of 06:40 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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I'm a fan of those giant red switches from that era. Such a satisfying CHUNK sound when you toggled them. Also they taught us to use index+middle fingers for the drive latch on the Lab apple IIs in 1st grade -- OH NMGOD NOT THE THUMB YOU COULD SNAP THE HINGE OFF KID.
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FilthyImp posted:I'm a fan of those giant red switches from that era. Such a satisfying CHUNK sound when you toggled them. You weren't, though: IBM PC XT Smoking whilst switched off!? quote:Also they taught us to use index+middle fingers for the drive latch on the Lab apple IIs in 1st grade -- OH NMGOD NOT THE THUMB YOU COULD SNAP THE HINGE OFF KID. 
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Jul 28, 2018 10:14
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nice, but the last one is missing something without including that sweet, delicate sound produced by a 1541 reading a disk
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1541 chat! I'm briefly relevant! My desk right now:  I also have 3 Datassettes lying around here, but why use those unless you really have to, right? The first 3rd party software for the C64 was released in 1983 (or late 1982, don't quote me on it). That means that some of the earliest floppies for the C64 are already 35 years old. Out of all the floppies I have (I stopped buying around 1992 I think), 99% or so still works. I have a few shoeboxes of 5.25" floppies here, and I'd like to see 'm backed up; mostly because the legal games don't have the "trainers" baked in (a "trainer" is a pre-game menu that was hacked in that allows you to get stuff like infinite lives, money or time). An alternative for a trainer (but one that likely won't work for newer games anymore) is entering a POKE code which flips a few bits of memory (this may disable counters that subtract lives, money or time). You basically have a Game Genie built in right when you start it up, because there's of course no such thing as memory protection. Then there are drawings and documents and even a few really lovely demos (with a demo-creator tool) I made way back in the day, and I want to see if I can salvage them as well, as well as the tool itself. So, I went looking for options to back up stuff. This is an incredibly fiddly procedure and it involves manually installing/commandlining some stuff, but everything still works miraculously on Windows 10. Most games can be found and downloaded easily - no such thing as Nintendo going C&D on C64 disk image sites. Some obscure stuff is harder to find, though. The 1541 disk drive is special in the sense that it's an entire computer by itself. It also is hamstrung by the fact that it loads in software really slowly, so most games/demos had a quickloader which accelerated the loading process; you can also have cartridges that offer something similar. Life is too short to be waiting for Skate Or Die to load. Step 1: let the C64 load from an SD card instead of a 1541. Solution: https://www.thefuturewas8bit.com/shop/commodore/sd2iec-c.html - the SD2IEC for the C64. All C64 software ever made fits easily on 8 GB. You'd have to do some really crazy things to go over that number because disk images are tiny. Each avatar on this page is already likely bigger than an entire game. Step 2: find a way to copy existing disks from the 1541 to your computer. That's a bit harder. Solution: http://store.go4retro.com/zoomfloppy/ - the ZoomFloppy. You get a bare circuit board with a Mini USB connector and a DIN plug. With gui4cbm4win you can display the content of disks and turn single files or the entire disk into images. These images load in an emulator without issue. You can copy the image files to the SD card and load 'm into the C64. The exception is of course any kind of demo that uses the 1541 as a co-processor, but virtually none of the games do this, just demos I think. Of course, if you have the ZoomFloppy, you can probably write the demo files back to old-fashioned 5.25" disks again if you wanted to. In most cases, someone has already captured the demo in HD at 50Hz with a real SID and put it on Youtube, and if you just wanted to listen to the music, there's the High Voltage SID Collection here - https://www.hvsc.c64.org . But that's not all. You can also replace the entire aging guts of the C64 with an FPGA-clone - https://ultimate64.com (and that's just one of the options, there's a competing one too) - and still pop in an original SID chip (or two). Amiga people are fanatical, but the C64 people get poo poo done in amazing ways (meanwhile, the Amiga ROMs are still under copyright and you've got warring factions about who gets to carry the torch for a faster machine that'll never run anything real-world functional anymore). The C64 is so comparatively slow, you could put an entire microprocessor to task to let it reverse-emulate stuff, and it'd most likely all work because of the speed difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9WRwCiSr0 Laserjet 4P has a new favorite as of 16:13 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:
Hey, thanks. Also thanks to buttcoin purse. I'm old enough to know how to use a floppy, but young enough to not have that much experience with the big ones. 3.5" for me, baby.
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Obsolete disc drives? How about the HP 9114B?  A battery-powered 3.5" floppy with an HP-IL interface. A US$800 external storage solution for your HP-41C calculator in 1984. Also worked with the HP-75 handheld 8-bit computer, and a few other devices. The HP-IL (HP Interface Loop) adapter for the 41C is an expansion module that plugs into a card-edge port in the back of the calculator. Like most of the 41C's modules the HP-IL one adds a new menu to the calculator's internal catalog, adding commands that allow you to read and write data to disc. You could also get an HP-IL-capable tape drive, printer, plotter, and TV/monitor interface, in addition to a bunch of lab/data collection equipment (e.g. there was an HP gas chromatograph that you could get an HP-IL interface for, and poo poo like surveying equipment, for example). The whole HP-IL idea was sorta like a cross between SCSI and USB, before USB existed. Every bit of this is crazy science-fiction-come-true tech in 1984, and comically obsolete as gently caress today.
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I was clearing out a lot of stuff in my mother's garage. Mostly my stuff. Ended up taking some stuff to the thrift store at a church...  - Sanyo 19" flatscreen CRT from 2004 that I used in college. Actually really good picture quality for what it was and even had component inputs. - Pioneer DVD player from 2004, also from college. Was my first player that could read CD-R/DVD-R/RW media. - Pioneer front left/right speakers from my old home theater setup, as well as my dad's Sony DTS 6.1 ES receiver. I use a 5.1 soundbar setup for my apartment now, but those are some drat good speakers. - My dad's subwoofer. I actually don't like having too much bass, so that monster doesn't have a place in my home theater. Also found a box of Betamax tapes I rescued from the garbage at my high school, but forgot about for the last 15 years. Has a lot of PBS recordings, but also what appear to be some recorded plays and speakers. Looks like they did The Miracle Worker around 1978 and had a speaker named Mr. Dick Key give a talk about gas.  Just need to find a way to get these transferred since I'm curious on what's on these. I bet even the PBS tapes have some fascinating stuff. Also found a few CEDs in reasonable shape.   
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Egbert Souse posted:
Oh Jesus, I needed a trigger warning or whatever the youngsters are calling it these days for that CED. See, back in ‘82-‘83ish, I worked after school and weekends at Radio Shack, it was a sucky job but much better than the fast-food gigs that everybody else was stuck in. The worst part of the job is that the manager had stocked a bunch of those lovely CED players that nobody wanted, and he required that one of them be playing at all times the store was open. We had only two CED’s. Rocky II and...yeah. Singin’ In The Rain. I’ve probably seen SITR at least 200 times, maybe more. I hate musicals, and that one was particularly terrible. I’d have cheerfully slit Gene Kelly’s throat if it meant that movie never existed.
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Would you say that you...can't stand em?
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DicktheCat posted:I'm old enough to know how to use a floppy, but young enough to not have that much experience with the big ones. 3.5" for me, baby.  Also some great Atari 5200-vs.-ColecoVision console fanboying on there, for admirers of the genre.
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JnnyThndrs posted:Oh Jesus, I needed a trigger warning or whatever the youngsters are calling it these days for that CED. I am curious how well the video quality of those CEDs held up after than many playings.
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Man i need to get my Onkyo A-10 fixed. One channel only blares loud grumbly noises at you and i have no idea where even to begin to fix it. I don't strictly need a 20kg aluminium plated monstrosity in my living room but i do wan't one...
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Lazlo Nibble posted:Lol @ calling 5.25” floppies “the big ones”: I assume that's 8" then? The only thing I know for sure is it's definitely, absolutely disk number two.
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Lazlo Nibble posted:Lol @ calling 5.25” floppies “the big ones”: 
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Lowen SoDium posted:I am curious how well the video quality of those CEDs held up after than many playings. There was definitely a degradation of quality toward the end, but they didn’t look that great to begin with. Dunno if that was a result of bad video mastering, the format sucking to begin with, or the lovely TV we were playing it through. I still think think the CED discs held up better than VHS would have, though.
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uvar posted:"\8=CHR$(1559.)"? "155%"? "%" is the suffix for integer or something. e: in BASIC e2: Yes it means integer in Visual Basic .NET 2003, and also in IBM BASIC from the era of documentation in ring binders. It took so long to click through the tree in the MSDN documentation compared to just opening the binder and it opening to the exact page I needed  e3: I don't know what \& means but CHR$(155%) will evaluate to "˘" on an old IBM PC, or even more modern systems in the default code page 437. I guess that is a good one to know, "$" is right there on the keyboard but who knows how to make "˘" without writing it down somewhere? Although I don't think 8" floppy drives were used with PCs so it might mean something completely different. Buttcoin purse has a new favorite as of 11:19 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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It’s DEC BASIC-PLUS. “\& = CHR$(155%)” means the sequence “\&” in a Global Mail file represents the ESC character with the high bit set, which is used (in place of the usual “ESC [“) to start a VT100 control command. It let you use cursor controls, graphic characters, LED controls, etc. in messages. Edit: Basically so you could create this kind of thing: https://youtu.be/-MbeSMu-6Gg Lazlo Nibble has a new favorite as of 15:38 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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Lazlo Nibble posted:Lol @ calling 5.25” floppies “the big ones”: This thread always makes me feel so young. I'm hitting thirty next year, so thanks!
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Lazlo Nibble posted:It’s DEC BASIC-PLUS. “\& = CHR$(155%)” means the sequence “\&” in a Global Mail file represents the ESC character with the high bit set, which is used (in place of the usual “ESC [“) to start a VT100 control command. It let you use cursor controls, graphic characters, LED controls, etc. in messages. I like that the animation got faster as the truck got more and more offscreen. Its mindblowing that even that computer was struggling to render that quickly
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I like that the animation got faster as the truck got more and more offscreen. Its mindblowing that even that computer was struggling to render that quickly It's not the computer struggling, it's the VT100. The terminal maxes out at 19200 bits per second, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were just using the more common 9600 bps rate. When there's more characters on the screen, that's more that has to go across the serial port. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on the above, but based on the "debian" in the prompt, I'd assume he's got this thing connected up to his relatively modern Linux box.
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