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/\ It isn't really relevant to how the police hosed him over repeatedly. This is blowing up on my FB, and seeing idiots write how they haven't seen this yet but know he's guilty makes me fume. One guy said his dad worked at the Milwaukee Crime lab, so he already "seen" all the evidence. When was Milwaukee processing any evidence? For the record, I live in Wisconsin, so everyone's an expert. How can detectives feel good about coaching a borderline mentally retarded boy to confess? Leon Einstein fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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I don't care how slanted the documentary is, the footage of the interrogations and the court proceedings should make any reasonable person think that he and his nephew deserve new trials. The whole situation was a huge miscarriage of justice.
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Dec 29, 2015 13:45
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EL BROMANCE posted:If you click my quote you'll see I go on to say that, but let's not use the documentary as historical reference as to the guys character. Who said anything about Avery's character?
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Dec 29, 2015 14:14
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Kelly posted:I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The mental gymnastics some of you are performing to convince yourself that the Avery's aren't involved is going to cause a stroke.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:51
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computer parts posted:It's not even really clear they investigated the other Averys.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:58
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Basebf555 posted:But again, there are two very basic facts that have never been in dispute. Theresa DID meet with Steven that day and disappeared shortly after. Cochrane looked extremely nervous when they played the recording of him calling in the plate, and clumsily tried to say the dispatcher told him it was a Rav 4. Avery may have done it, but it seems more likely that the cops who had a huge motive to frame him, did in fact plant evidence.
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Dec 30, 2015 18:26
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Zsa Zsa Gabor posted:Did anyone find out who was calling Theresa prior to her disappearance? That detail stuck with me. I figured if they (the defense) could show the court her cellphone message records, and when certain messages were deleted, it would be easy to pinpoint the number that kept calling her, but I don't remember this being answered in the doc.
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Dec 30, 2015 18:47
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A bunch of shaky and questionable evidence doesn't add up to solid evidence. It's scary that you could be a juror.
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Jan 7, 2016 15:33
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MrBuddyLee posted:The garage/concrete wasn't part of the media narrative at the time. She would have had to invent a story that matched facts not publicly available.
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Jan 8, 2016 03:05
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I don't understand why Dassey was denied his appeals for a new trial over and over. There's no wiggle room there; he was completely hosed and coerced. I guess the justice system doesn't like admitting mistakes?
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Jan 19, 2016 15:36
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Except all of the "evidence" that he did it that was omitted is highly questionable.
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Jan 20, 2016 16:10
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"yronic heroism" posted:It would be ridiculous not to consider it when weighing the odds of guilt or innocence.
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Jan 22, 2016 15:36
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You've been making up details to fill in gaps. That's not what a juror should do.
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Jan 22, 2016 16:26
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yronic heroism posted:You are assuming an exit wound of a person standing up with a bullet exiting horizontally rather than lying prone with the bullet on a more or less downward path. So gravity causes .22 shots to go through the body? What are you even saying here?
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Jan 25, 2016 18:14
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yronic heroism posted:Generally doesn't exit =/= no .22 bullet will ever exit. And we are dealing with multiple shots, only one of which was apparently found. You're so tied up in circular reasoning that you can't escape.
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Jan 25, 2016 21:23
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^^^ They had said that he had sighted his guns in there. I'm not sure how big or long the garage is, so they mayve have have done it outside. Either way, empty shells being on a garage floor isn't suspicious in itself seeing as the gun was fired on a regular basis. yronic heroism posted:Evidence you characterize as weak =/= "zero evidence". What line of work are you in? It seems like you're reading into this case with a clear bias. (I was joking about you being Ken Krantz, ya dope!) Leon Einstein fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Jan 25, 2016 22:07
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yronic heroism posted:What reason did the cousin have to lie to her school counselor? None.
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Jan 26, 2016 03:48
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Yeah, a young and dumb girl would never make something up for attention, not a chance.
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Jan 26, 2016 03:53
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So how do you rationalize Lenk calling in the plates 3 days before the car was found?
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Jan 26, 2016 16:26
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I meant Colburn, sorry. What about him lying about when he got to the property? I don't see how you can handwave their lies and still think their other "evidence" is legit.
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Jan 26, 2016 16:38
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yronic heroism posted:Specifically when does he lie? transcript? Or place in the episode I can check?
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Jan 26, 2016 16:43
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^^ He lied about when he got to the property yronic heroism posted:I don't know the day they found it, but if they had found it right away you could easily say they knew right where to look because they planted it. Doesn't really convince me one way or the other. Leon Einstein fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 17:00
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I'm not sure how anybody could hear the authorities talking about cutting down the Avery family tree at the trunk and still feel that they did their jobs impartially.
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yronic heroism posted:^^I think you are a little confused. If you're arguing he wanted to do something after dark, you're saying he showed up at 6? You mean like he said? Edit: again, what is your profession? There's a huge bias in your approach to this and I think your refusal to answer what you do means that you know your occupation will reveal why you're biased. Leon Einstein fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Jan 27, 2016 00:18
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yronic heroism posted:How was he coerced? Just a reminder that you literally wrote this about Dassey's confession. You don't see how someone telling him exactly what to say and what pictures to draw could be construed as coercion.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:13
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Coercion absolutely can be using power to get what you want, and the cops had that and did that. Sorry you don't know what coercion means.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:32
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Why are you quoting yourself? Are you under the delusion that people are taking your posts seriously?
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Jan 27, 2016 18:44
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yronic heroism posted:AIt's very possible to believe a view different things at once: 1. Possibly some stuff was planted. 2. Definitely they did a poor job investigating by not foreclosing on the easiest arguments that stuff was planted. 3. He still did it based off of everything.
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Jan 28, 2016 21:22
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yronic heroism posted:Absolutely, planted evidence should be suppressed but it's not enough to say maybe it was planted. They have to show it happened. (Also, incidentally, the planted bullet theory really makes no sense if you think the cops are corrupt because why not plant it the first time?)
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Jan 28, 2016 21:42
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You honestly think it's unlikely that key was planted? You think the cops are that inept at doing a search? Also, you're really foolish to lend credence to Dassey's statements.
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Jan 28, 2016 21:53
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You really don't understand why the key being planted is the most likely scenario? The room was searched over and over, and the nightstand was photographed and shown to be completely empty. The cop who "found" it had a motive to put it there, and he wasn't supposed to have been there. Why wouldn't Theresa's DNA be on the key?
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Jan 29, 2016 22:13
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Khorre posted:It was definitely the valet key, as the normal keys for a 99 RAV4 have a different grip shape. The lanyard that key attached to was in the car, so it wouldn't have been hard to take it out of the car, at all. So you're saying it was the valet key just based on THAT? Maybe she had a spare made and used that as her main key?
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Feb 2, 2016 20:12
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Khorre posted:http://hellogiggles.com/teresa-halbach-keys/
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Feb 2, 2016 21:18
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So why was a citizen on Avery's property searching for the car? I don't remember.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:53
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Shouldn't only the owner of the property be allowed to consent? My dad was pulled over in the 70s with a poo poo ton of weed that the cops found when searching the car, but it was his sister's car. They called her after the fact and asked for permission and she denied them permission. He got off scot free, although they took the weed.
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Zaphod42 posted:Not exactly. If the cops are at your door and somebody at your party lets them in, I'm pretty sure you're screwed even though it isn't their house.
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