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Epsilon Plus posted:This is lovely. Like, I understand the reasoning behind it but that doesn't make it good. If he's such a distraction just pretend he's dead and work cases on different people? You're basically saying "I am willing to lynch town and advance a scum win because I am incapable of focusing". Questions for E+: (a) This is everything I've seen you say about Kash and I still don't understand why you think Kash is scum. Can you be more specific? (b) Did Kash's watcher claim change your mind? (c) In the event that it did, who do you think is scummiest? Other than Somber/BigUp being town I don't really see other opinions.
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Murmur Twin posted:##vote imgay Puntification posted:However I really dislike this vote, the justification seems abstracted, vague and not even directly related to whether imgay's alignment is town or scum. ##vote murmur twin Let me try and clarify, then. imgay posted:Like how could you take all the options that occured last night and go straight to the least likely scenario. There wasn't a kill. Exakt claims protection. No one counterclaims. I don't get it why would you be pushing either of the two at this point Imgay is representing his point of view as: (a) Asiina was protected on a night with no NK, and is trying hard, so based on her meta, is probably town (b) Asiina being town is such a given that Jake even casing her is scummy And he certainly seems to be confident that he's correct. I mean, right? But what if Kashuno being jailed is the reason there was no NK? What if Asiina is actually scum who just happens to be posting this game? Even if imgay's read on Asii is correct, why is Jake's casing "scummy" instead of just "incorrect"? Why is imgay going so hard on casing JakeP (with Somber as second-scummiest) but not really casing me despite my asking similar questions about EXAKT/Asiina? I asked those questions and didn't really get an answer. If he really was town who felt Jake is caught scum, I feel like he'd have more to say about what makes him think so. Instead, his answers to my questions were very brief: imgay posted:im getting high town vibes from asiina, so i wouldn't budge on that today. i don't like sombers posting so thats why he pinging me The tone of his posts when casing Jake (confident) didn't match the tone of his posts (evasive) when I questioned him. Because of that, I think he's lying, and because of that, I think he's scum. tl;dr - town motivation is hunting for scum, scum motivation is trying to get town lynched, and to me it feels to me like imgay is doing the latter.
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Also - probably not going to be around for the rest of the day but will be here before deadline tomorrow.
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##vote BigUp (a) I'm starting to come around on the idea that he might be scum. (b) He isn't really scumhunting and I can't parse through his posts. (c) His style of posting (imo) stifles conversation. (d) A lot of people have taken a stand on him in one way or another so his flip has relative worth. (e) And, for the sake of full disclosure, I don't find him particularly fun to play with. Before I'm accused of jumping on the easy vote, I would also vote imgay or E+ and people are free to weigh in on my cases on them. Other hot takes: I don't want to take out a claimed PR (Tomm, Kash, EXAKT) since they're more likely to get caught lying as the game goes on if they're scum, and useful if town. I think Jake/Asii is a town/town slapfight and I'm more or less null on Somber/Punti/derp. I have a busy day ahead of me so can't guarantee I'm going to be around much but it'd be cool if people would  more.
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I just re-read Kash and got a scum vibe there: (a) he was jailed N2 and there was no kill so his being scum doing the NK would be the simplest explanation (b) he conveniently targetted EXAKT with the watch ability N1 which excused him from having to explain why he didn't watch EXAKT N2 (c) the frustration at BigUp being a distraction feels like acting to me (d) his other cases were on people that were already being cased by other people (me on E+ and EXAKT, Asiina on Jake) (e) he and my other biggest scum read - imgay - haven't addressed or talked about each other at all. Kash, what do you think of imgay so far? Imgay, what do you think of Kash so far?
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Jan 11, 2016 00:35
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I'm going to ##vote imgay in the meantime since I feel more confident on him as scum than I do bigup. I'll be here going into deadline.
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Jan 11, 2016 01:29
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Kashuno posted:vote bigup or lose. No for real though what's your opinion of imgay?
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Jan 11, 2016 03:39
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##vote Bigup Better than nothing.
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Jan 11, 2016 03:54
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I think Kashuno and Derp are scumbros and I would like to request that people not vote until we talk stuff out. I'm phonebound for the time being.
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Jan 15, 2016 02:16
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totino boy posted:lovers die the following night, i think you're lying and there was a second kill I feel like with every instance of lovers Ive ever seen, they die at the same time. What makes you default to thinking tomm is lying?
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Jan 15, 2016 03:12
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Kashuno posted:bad choice MMT With 14 players starting, 4 scum is feasible, and yet you and Derp are trying to rush a vote. On a scale of 1-10, how concerned are you that we might be in LYLO? Same question to Derp. To everyone else - does that not at all seem shady to people?
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Jan 15, 2016 03:18
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Kashuno posted:Tomm claims to have jailed imgay but my action on derp failed last night I don't think that's a coincidence Yeah, but why not wait and see what people have to say instead of immediately voting? Can you not see where that might seem realllllly suspicious to people without knowledge of your night action?
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Jan 15, 2016 03:20
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Let's say scum Tomm jailed you - what's the strategic merit in his claiming to have jailed imgay?
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Jan 15, 2016 03:22
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Kashuno posted:I claimed to be jailed last night, and tomm confirmed he jailed me last night. my action failed last night which means it is reasonable to me that tomm is scum. MMT is also scum this game. I'm scum because I...don't want people to rush their vote in potential LYLO?
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Jan 15, 2016 03:23
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Kashuno posted:He didn't know who I targeted last night and had no idea that my target would come up as a failed action So the rationale that is so clear to you that it's worth immediately voting is that our jailer doesn't understand how jailing works? I would vote for Kash or Derp but would like to hear from everyone before people start throwing votes around please.
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Jan 15, 2016 03:25
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totino boy posted:um i am not playing dumb i have always seen lovers die the next night, they kill themselves out of grief after a while. they always claim in the thread and say 'welp mylover died so im gunna die too, here's my thoughts' thats always what ive seen. there is multiple ways to do it i guess though if this seems normal to people For what it's worth the only game I remember playing in with lovers (who died at the same time) was Gnomefia 1 and I know you were in that one.
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Jan 15, 2016 03:45
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I'm down to at least give EXAKT, punti, e+, and somber a chance to weigh in. Right now I think Tomm / Jake are town and Derp / Kash are scum and it would take something pretty huge to convince me otherwise.
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Jan 15, 2016 03:51
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JakeP posted:asiina makes way more sense as the target though in my head Yeah since EXAKT doc'ed her n2 it'd make sense for scum to try and nk her n3
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Jan 15, 2016 04:15
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm down to at least give EXAKT, punti, e+, and somber a chance to weigh in. I can't sleep so I just did a phone-skim of the four people were waiting on and I feel pretty good about Town: me, jake, tomm, EXAKT, e+ Scum: Kash, Derp, punti, somber
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Jan 15, 2016 09:16
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Epsilon Plus posted:I don't know about derp or jake being scum or town respectively but I think Kash is the most likely to be scum given his posting this game day. Gonna hold off on a vote for now though. Of the people I think are town - I'm vanilla, I'm pretty sure Jake is vanilla because he didn't know he was jailed n1, EXAKT is a doc and Tomm is a jailor. We also had a Mystic and a pair of lovers - I'm not sure it's feasible to expect any more PRs than that. I'm fine voting Kash first. Regarding Derp id say to Ignore power roles for a second and look at derps vote on Tomm today. If you think Kash is scum, what do you call Derp just taking Kashs word and throwing down a vote in LYLO?
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Jan 15, 2016 10:35
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Kashuno posted:And you seriously can't figure out who the scum is lol. Disagree.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:22
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Kashuno posted:how can you read that series of posts and not see how obvious it is? What are your reads on somber and punti?
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Jan 15, 2016 15:31
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Ahhhh I was going to keep questioning you but  I'm pretty much ready to vote, just waiting for others to check in on the game.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:18
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Kashuno posted:Or I'm town and it's lylo and I don't want to lose? Stop ignoring the obvious Town in LYLO who doesn't want to lose doesn't often start the day out with a vote.
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Kashuno posted:If I wasn't 100% positive I wouldn't have And you know which alignment is 100% of things?
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Jan 15, 2016 17:22
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Kashuno posted:Tomm who'd you jail last night Tommunist posted:Imgay - guessing Asiina got killed then Kashuno posted:##vote tomm Murmur Twin posted:Let's say scum Tomm jailed you - what's the strategic merit in his claiming to have jailed imgay? Kashuno posted:He didn't know who I targeted last night and had no idea that my target would come up as a failed action --- totino boy posted:##vote tomm yah clearly didnt jail imgay totino boy posted:lovers die the following night, i think you're lying and there was a second kill --- Kashuno posted:Seriously this town is loving trash. You want to v ore me and waste more time? Be my loving guest. I watched derp because I felt like it. Kashuno posted:Ok so here's the facts. I forgot to submit an action until BK prodded me, and threw a name out. And here we are Questions for anyone who wants to answer them: (a) Why are Kash/Derp voting as soon as the day begins, as opposed to casing them? (b) Why are Kash/Derp focusing on the order that BK presented the flips but failing to acknowledge the possibility that maybe, just maybe, Asiina was killed and Imgay died with her? (c) If Tomm was scum who jailed Kash, why would he lie about targetting Imgay when it would clearly come out in discussion? (d) How can Derp possibly not understand how lovers work? (e) Why did Kash change from "I watched Derp because I felt like it" to "I forgot to name a target and chose Derp"?
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Jan 15, 2016 19:38
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At this point my main concern is that we'll need EXAKT's vote and they don't show up. Nothing's going to change my mind on this, so I might as well ##vote Kashuno
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Jan 15, 2016 19:39
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Jan 19, 2016 02:36
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I feel like this game might take the record for being my single worst town game ever 
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Jan 19, 2016 02:43
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I officially can't read imgay or Tommunist, I think I have a 0% success rate in calling their alignments.  I've made the same dumb mistake two games in a row now (this and College Mafia) where I convince myself that two people are scumbros and that it doesn't matter what order they're lynched in, only to find out it's one town/one scum and I targetted the wrong one.
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Kashuno posted:same. I don't really self hammer but I was just beyond my breaking point this game. I don't blame you! I admittedly get something of a big head when I'm convinced I've caught scum. I'm sure it has to be annoying as hell to be on the receiving end of it when I'm wrong. 
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