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boom boom boom posted:Bu garbage people you mean children? Maybe.
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boom boom boom posted:It literally does tho. Like, if they hadn't gotten the sign off, they would've been forced to stop. But Voyager, despite its pedigree, isn't good. Despite my fondness for it, most of Voyager is poo poo. A series of wasted ideas and potentially interesting things that aren't developed and aren't pursued. And then Ron Moore takes all the interesting bits and turns it into Battlestar Galactica, which is, for the most part, good. Even though it's what he thought Voyager should have been, slapped onto a different pre-existing property. (Moore talks about this in interviews). Incidentally, he's now working on Outlander, which started as Doctor Who fanfiction... Legitimacy stops you from getting sued, yeah, but it doesn't confer quality...
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Toph Bei Fong posted:But Voyager, despite its pedigree, isn't good. Despite my fondness for it, most of Voyager is poo poo. A series of wasted ideas and potentially interesting things that aren't developed and aren't pursued. Legitimate and good have nothing to do with each other. I don't even know what anybody's arguing here.
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Even the Rolling Stones started out by ripping off blues singers.
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boom boom boom posted:Legitimate and good have nothing to do with each other. I don't even know what anybody's arguing here. Semantics, mostly.
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Legitimate stuff tends to have editors, investors who need to feel confident you know what you're doing before they put money down, higher bar for entry so you need more than an idea and a keyboard, etc. However, there are writers who can get away without an editor and who produce great stuff even without having formal training/education. Plenty of writers/artists/whatever go through the legitimate hoops and put out poo poo work. Even with a strict definition of fanfic being "stories people put online about characters they don't own and don't have the rights to", I don't think I'd say it's all bad or all worse than the legit stuff for the IPs they used. I dunno I just don't think the Red Hood fan film will be good because fan films tend to not be good in my experience and they're more prone to C&D letters and also Red Hood is not good.
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Can we just say that fan-anything that's not in the format these characters are normally portrayed in has probably a 99% chance of being garbage. Superhero fan films, prose stories, God help you if you write superhero poetry. Fanart or fan comics of superheroes has a much higher chance of being passable if only because you can just follow the blueprint of successful works that are already out there.
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CapnAndy posted:You're joking but this would actually be kinda awesome? Nooooooooo. I am so sick of Disney princesses.
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Travis343 posted:Can we just say that fan-anything that's not in the format these characters are normally portrayed in has probably a 99% chance of being garbage. Superhero fan films, prose stories, God help you if you write superhero poetry. Actually I am a recognized master of superhero forum posts.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I would really like to hear the ep7-9 ideas George submitted "I think it should suck more and not be satisfying on an emotional level."
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boom boom boom posted:Legitimate and good have nothing to do with each other. I don't even know what anybody's arguing here. Yeah, basically semantics, and maybe a little bit of literary philosophy in regards to the continuation of serial fiction after the end of the initial writer's work. Another example: Kingsley Amis wrote a James Bond novel, Colonel Sun, after Ian Fleming died, the first of many authors to do so. He was authorized by the holders of the James Bond license to do so. Fleming's wife thought Amis was a poo poo and didn't want any more novels written. Amis had written a critical guide to the Bond novels, as well as a spoof guide for potential MI agents before writing the novel, so he's obviously not just doing this as a fly-by-night thing. Also, he's Kingsley Amis, and had been a very highly regarded novelist in his own right since Lucky Jim, not some professional potboiler like Kevin J Anderson. Does this novel count as fan fiction? Why? A question of semantics, certainly, but one that I find fun to kick back and forth.
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It gets even muddier when you have works that were blessedly created before loving Steamboat Wille and are allowed to slip into the public domain. Are works about Dracula fanfiction of the original Dracula novel/films?
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Lurdiak posted:Nooooooooo. I am so sick of Disney princesses. They're very popular with little girls.
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boom boom boom posted:They're very popular with little girls. I'm pretty sure they're popular with everyone, if my loving facebook feed is to be believed.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm pretty sure they're popular with everyone, if my loving facebook feed is to be believed. Maybe you're just friends with a lot of little girls.
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The same kind of adults that would wear Tweety and Taz sweaters in the 90s are really into Disney Princess, I think. Which means he's either friends with a bunch of little girls or menopausal office workers from the Midwest.
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The Divine Comedy is basically a fanfic of the Bible (which already has a book that is straight up fanfic where the author meets God after he canonically went back to Heaven) where all the people the author hated got tortured a whole bunch as his self insert mocked them.
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To be fair no one pretends it is anything else.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm pretty sure they're popular with everyone, if my loving facebook feed is to be believed. My brother refuses to exclude my niece to anything Disney princess related but it just seems like a losing battle. Disney can be fairly ruthless.
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Travis343 posted:God help you if you write superhero poetry. A friend of mine actually tried his hand at this when he was in high school. It did not go well, but now I have something fun to razz him about.
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Chums, we're still running under a 2015 rules thread. Stale rules mean stale posts, imo. Post your hot new 2016 rules suggestions. I'll start:
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Squizzle posted:Chums, we're still running under a 2015 rules thread. Stale rules mean stale posts, imo. Post your hot new 2016 rules suggestions. I'll start: No bullshit Bendis-style incantations, please.  
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Mr. Maltose posted:My favorite DC character is probably Kid Eternity, let's talk about him.
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Supporting cast idea: sovereign citizen zombies with unconventional ideas concerning life, afterlife, and common law.
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Edge & Christian posted:They should really do a Kid Eternity, Kid Attorney book where he gets great legal advice each month FROM BEYOND THE VEIL Considering how often dude goes to hell I'm amazed he hasn't talked to Daniel Webster once.
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Squizzle posted:Supporting cast idea: sovereign citizen zombies with unconventional ideas concerning life, afterlife, and common law. KE could let them talk to the actual Founding Fathers. Holy poo poo, that'd be a great power to have irl. Imagine him fighting those redneck terrorists in Oregon...
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They'd shamble through the background, gnawing office buildings and yachts, since they can't tell the difference between corporations, boats, and people.
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An abandoned comic book pitch of mine involved a guy who is a dr strange like figure, specifically a shaman, who treats the supernatural like a collective bargaining agreement that must constantly be renegotiated. Want to cast a spell to get rid of these zombies? Guess you better fulfill that blood oath the aztec made to the spirit who governs zombie killing, he's been waiting forever for that poo poo.
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Lurdiak posted:An abandoned comic book pitch of mine involved a guy who is a dr strange like figure, specifically a shaman, who treats the supernatural like a collective bargaining agreement that must constantly be renegotiated. Want to cast a spell to get rid of these zombies? Guess you better fulfill that blood oath the aztec made to the spirit who governs zombie killing, he's been waiting forever for that poo poo. I think it's generally understood that everyone who so much as thinks hard about superhero comics (let alone reads them or works on them) has a bad story idea worked out for each of Dr. Strange, Superman, and the Fantastic Four. My Strange pitch is "The Sorcerer Supreme isn't the King of Magic; he's the Secretary of State (of Magic)".
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My Dr. Strange idea is that he goes to a fancy dinner with his girlfriend, but it turns out there's an idea demon running around in people's brains at the restaurant. So he has to keep astrally projecting into other diner's brains, fight off the idea demon, and then get back into his own body to keep the date going.
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Squizzle posted:I think it's generally understood that everyone who so much as thinks hard about superhero comics (let alone reads them or works on them) has a bad story idea worked out for each of Dr. Strange, Superman, and the Fantastic Four. My Strange pitch is "The Sorcerer Supreme isn't the King of Magic; he's the Secretary of State (of Magic)". I would read the hell out of Mighty God King's Dr. Strange pitch(es): http://mightygodking.com/category/comics/i-should-write-dr-strange/
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Squizzle posted:I think it's generally understood that everyone who so much as thinks hard about superhero comics (let alone reads them or works on them) has a bad story idea worked out for each of Dr. Strange, Superman, and the Fantastic Four. My Strange pitch is "The Sorcerer Supreme isn't the King of Magic; he's the Secretary of State (of Magic)". My Dr. Strange pitch has him in charge of what is basically a law firm, with a whole bunch of Sorcerors Subordinate working for him. That way, while Strange takes care of the huge threats in the background, the action mostly focuses on inexperienced magicians/wizards as they try to handle the contracts of soul-selling or possession, or clients accused of magic crimes.
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Napoleon Nelson posted:My Dr. Strange pitch has him in charge of what is basically a law firm, with a whole bunch of Sorcerors Subordinate working for him. That way, while Strange takes care of the huge threats in the background, the action mostly focuses on inexperienced magicians/wizards as they try to handle the contracts of soul-selling or possession, or clients accused of magic crimes. Let me be the first to tell you how much BSS appreciates you taking your time to post here, Mr. Soule.
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Well let me be the first to burn your books on video.
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My Doctor Strange pitch is where I just get a regular sorcerer because I don't want to pay twenty five cents for sour cream.
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My Dr Strange pitch involves him having a reality TV show a la Ghost Hunters. Nothing is even that different from a reality show in the real world since no one else can see the spirits and demons and magical creatures he's doing battle with (they can't be filmed!!!). It gets the highest ratings in the 616 because people enjoy watching a middle aged man yell at the air. He is doing this because he lost all his money buying the other eye of Agamotto. What kind of Agamotto doesn't have two eyes?
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Mine is a PUA Coffee Table Serpents spinoff
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A Tin Of Beans posted:My Dr Strange pitch involves him having a reality TV show a la Ghost Hunters. Nothing is even that different from a reality show in the real world since no one else can see the spirits and demons and magical creatures he's doing battle with (they can't be filmed!!!). It gets the highest ratings in the 616 because people enjoy watching a middle aged man yell at the air. He is doing this because he lost all his money buying the other eye of Agamotto. What kind of Agamotto doesn't have two eyes? Both eyes of Ekron J. Agamotto are accounted for.
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Dr. Strange pitch: First issue he gets fooled by a spell and is trapped in a white empty room for what feels like 30 years but is only 10 minutes in the real world. He is changed and resolves to create security to our world from magic seeping through to cut our world with the ties of magic. Basically this means that a tired and over it Dr. Strange is essentially Dr. House solving peoples magic problems by banishing it from our world and making our world separate from magic.A Tin Of Beans posted:My Dr Strange pitch involves him having a reality TV show a la Ghost Hunters. Nothing is even that different from a reality show in the real world since no one else can see the spirits and demons and magical creatures he's doing battle with (they can't be filmed!!!). It gets the highest ratings in the 616 because people enjoy watching a middle aged man yell at the air. He is doing this because he lost all his money buying the other eye of Agamotto. What kind of Agamotto doesn't have two eyes? would read Squizzle posted:Let me be the first to tell you how much BSS appreciates you taking your time to post here, Mr. Soule. Best post.
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My Dr Strange pitch retcons him into being a proctologist.
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