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poo poo, I hosed up that F&F with copy-paste. I'll repost it in a tic e: okay this should be unfucked  13th Age part 3: Relationship Status: It's Complicated 13th Age's last unique character creation system is its replacement for alignment: Icon Relationships. Relationships represent how likely it is that your relationship with that icon will benefit you. Each PC gets three points to spend, and you can spend them more or less however you want on almost any icon you want, establishing Positive, Ambiguous, or Negative relationships. You can spread out your points or concentrate them in one relationship, whatever you like. Every session, the GM rolls a d6 for each relationship point for each character: every 6 rolled means that relationship benefits that PC somehow, every 5 means that PC benefits but at the cost of some sort of complication. Positive relationships generally mean the icon or their organization helps you out, negative means their enemies help you out, ambiguous could go either way. Relationships are supposed to represent the likelihood of the relationship mattering, not the depth of your alliance or enmity, but for some reason you can't spend too many points being the ally of an evil icon or the enemy of a heroic one. There's really no reason a hero couldn't be well-connected with the anti-Emperor resistance, or constantly receiving “help” from the Diabolist as part of some scheme only she understands. The justification is that too many positive points with a villain would make you their henchman - but there's no reason such a relationship would necessarily be reciprocal. It's an easy rule to ignore, but the table to explain which relationships have which cap sprawls over an entire page, crammed with of repetitive filler endlessly redefining "positive", "ambiguous", and "negative". In addition to being a source of story hooks, this is supposed to be a replacement for alignment. However, while alignment does completely suck if you have even a basic understanding of moral philosophy, it's really fast and efficient and easy to communicate, which Icon Relationships are not. "Lawful good" is clear in a way "ambiguous Emperor 2, negative Three 1" is not. Describing this mouthful chews up five pages of rules and charts, jammed ill-fitting into character creation between rolling ability scores and choosing skills. Relationships needed streamlining to make it easier to communicate, both between players and in terms of rules text. Rolling a One On The Ol’ Craft (Layout) Check After relationships comes Backgrounds and how to resolve skill checks, which I've already discussed. What I neglected to mention is the lengthy aside about Failing Forward. This is a good guide to using “failure” not as a roadblock but as a reason to introduce further story complications, both to keep the game flowing but also to help avoid d20’s tendency to make everyone fail at routine tasks a significant amount of the time. I can't fault Fail Forward as a principle, but I can fault it for being ANOTHER full page of rules text that does not pertain to character creation before we even learn what a bard does. Also introduced in passing in the background/skill description is that the game is broken up into Adventurer, Champion, and Epic tiers, and that Champion and Epic environments are a little too hardcore for lower-level heroes. It won't be until the next section that we learn that Champion means levels 5-7, Epic means 8-10, oh and by the way this game only goes up to level 10. Have I mentioned that I hate 13th Age’s layout? Because man. It sucks a lot. Elven Centipede You get one feat per level and there's 10 levels. Get it? Huh? Get it? Anyway. Feats are broken up into level-based tiers: champion feats come online at level 5, and epic feats at 8. This section only has the most boring feats, like Improved Initiative or Toughness or Rapid Reload, the inexplicable crossbow feat tax that appears in every D20 game despite the fact that literally everyone houserules it because it's not like you're going to powergame with a crossbow and this game doesn't even have iterative attacks ugh it's so useless and I seem to have lost track there. In any event, the general feats are the usual pile of uninspired, uninteresting junk, except for Ritual Casting which is absolutely huge (assuming you don't have a PC who gets it for free) because 13A rituals are unfucked compared to 4e. The vast, vast majority of feats are actually modifiers or riders on abilities you get from your class or race, so they aren't listed in detail here; rather, they're listed immediately under the power or talent or spell they modify. Despite this, the feat section has eleven useless pages listing every single feat and its summarized effects, in insufficient detail to make any educated decisions about what feats to take or even what feats you're eligible for. We still don't know what races or classes do yet! Guess what's next? It's what you're all waiting for… someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this It's the gear tables for no apparent reason! In particular, 13th Age's somewhat-unusual-for-a-D&D-clone handling of weapons and armor. 13A disposes of Gary Gygax's fetishism for differentiating weapon and armor types; everything is collapsed into general categories, and "special weapon qualities" like Reach or Finesse don't exist at all. This extends to the feats and class abilities: there's no Weapon Focus or other options that encourage people to make their character be the Shortsword-Only Guy (except for Rapid Reload, the inexplicable D20 albatross feat). Weapons and armor are mainly an aesthetic choice, rather than a mechanical one. All of the weapons are collapsed into size (one-handed or two-handed), complexity (small, light/simple, and heavy/martial), and whether or not they are ranged. There isn't any mechanical difference between a longsword, a broadsword, a battleaxe, flail, or morningstar. Weapon damage is on a d4/d6/d8/d10 scale where each step of increasing size and complexity increases damage a step: a (small, one-handed) dagger or club does d4 damage, while a (two-handed, heavy) greataxe or lucern hammer does d10. There are no special weapon qualities any more; the only time the weapon type matters is damage, and the -2 atk penalty for using a weapon that is too large or complex for your class. (The details of weapon damage aren't actually in this section; they appear - and are repeated - in each class writeup.) Similarly, armor is collapsed into light armor and heavy armor and shields - and, as, light armor includes rugged adventuring clothing, anyone can wear the former with no penalties. Armor is extremely abstract: basically anything that isn't simple clothing is light armor, and anything with a significant amount of solid metal is heavy armor. As mentioned earlier, AC is based on a combination of your class and your current armor: every (core) class has a base AC of 10 or 11 with no armor and base AC ranging from 10-14 in light armor. Some classes can wear heavy armor without a penalty and get up to base AC 14-16; everyone CAN wear heavy armor, but only get an additional +1 AC over their light armor value (which may be as low as 11) and get -2 to atk. Shields are similarly simple: all shields give you +1 AC, with a -2 atk penalty if you don't properly know how to use one. This could possibly be simplified even further into making damage and AC purely a matter of your class with situational penalties when you're using something grossly inappropriate or undersized as a weapon or fighting in a loincloth, but it's a good enough level of abstraction given 13A's level of tactical complexity. spend less on candles  There's pages and pages of this. I should be used to it by now, but I'm not. What isn't abstracted is the traditional list of medieval (and anachronistic) weapons, armor, sundry goods, and services. Discussing coinage (copper, silver, gold, and platinum, 10:1 to trade up) and sprawling tables chew up three more useless pages. Nearly a full page's worth of this is devoted to specific costs for specific sorts of weapons and armor and they don't even do different things any more. A staff - which is just a sturdy, long stick! - is 1 gp, which is enough to eat for a week. Why does a mace cost more than a morningstar? There are some cute ideas: every table section also has a list of unique or odd things, like a "large tabby cat in Horizon, guaranteed free of fleas and demonic possession", a "fine for unnecessary violence in Santa Cora", or different prices for a "ferry ride across the Grandfather [River]" depending on whether the bridge is out or not. It's a charming way to spice up these tedious and not especially interesting or useful tables of arbitrary prices. It's nice that they made the effort, but who gives a poo poo. I have no idea why this section is here. Not only do we not yet know how much money a character has to spend, or what sorts of items they might want, or what sorts of items they can even use, but it turns out that characters get their weapons and armor free at character creation and won't even care how much they cost. Very few campaigns are ever put players in a situation where they care about the fact that candles cost 1cp per. It's an absolutely baffling layout decision, especially given that 13th Age is often so abstract that a campaign might never need to consult this table for the specific numeric cost of these mundane items. We are on page 62 and we still don't know what an elf wizard even is or does. Next: No, Really, It Is Actually A Metaphor For Race Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 26, 2017 18:45
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How about your appearance turns gradually inhuman in a way the player decides on? I could really go for cubistic vampire with all face symmetry gone.
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Mar 26, 2017 19:18
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Cease to Hope posted:this is kind of weird and internet diagnosis-y and doesn't match with even a passing reading of his professional work I get that AF and his Tomes are free online stuff, but still. He only writes in a tone that's like, shooting the breeze about house rules on a forum, plus occasional lame jokes.
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Mar 26, 2017 19:38
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not sure what you mean; has he ever been the primary author of anything for an established company? he's got a bunch of SR4e credits that I'm aware of, and there might be other stuff I'm not
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Mar 26, 2017 19:48
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13th Age makes me think of a packrat trying to clean out his garage. You know this box of old oven mitts is junk, you know it, but you just... can't bring yourself to throw it out. What if you need those oven mitts some day?? I'll throw out this broken bicycle pump instead, then I'll have space to keep the oven mitt box.
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Mar 26, 2017 20:00
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not sure what you mean; has he ever been the primary author of anything for an established company? I remember that After Midnight or whatever it was called was literally his TGD posts about the whole "WoD heartbreaker" idea, just put together into a single document without editing anything.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Quietus (Cruscitus)Level One – Blood Essence: This power allows the Assamite to drain a victim down to one blood point and then rip out their heart for later. It’s a difficult test, a 9 difficulty willpower test, and the victim can fight back if able to. The heart is in a grayish, preserved state but if the vampire bites into it, they can treat it as draining the mortal dry or diablerizing the target if they were a vampire. Huh, cool, these are actually not too bad! The modern-day Quietus suffered heavily under not being a collection of related powers (like Dominate, Presence, etc. are) but were instead just a collection of five powers that made the Assamites good assassins. RocknRollaAyatollah posted:They turn unnaturally black though, not to a natural skin tone. It's also something that's only been around since Revised I think, I don't remember it being in older editions. It's unfortunate and I don't really know the mythological origin of it, if any. The Assamite clan weakness changed a lot. Vitae addiction, Vitae allergy, their skin turning blacker as they grow older and more evil... Successive updates to the setting have done a lot to mellow out the Assamites as more than just the "Arabic assassin and terrorist vampires", but ultimately they're a brainchild of early 90's White Wolf thinking, which means they're laden with racism being core to the concept of the Clan even in the 20th Anniversary editions.
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Cease to Hope posted:he's got a bunch of SR4e credits that I'm aware of, and there might be other stuff I'm not I forgot that his solo writing credits read like forum posts because they are forum posts. But considering how much smarter he thinks he is than every working designer, he should maybe clean it up a bit before compiling it. But yeah AFAIK his homebrew is the only stuff out there where he's the primary author, and this is his tone and style: quote:Evil Plants Jaws and Joe Young? That's what FMGuru is talking about and it's so drat bizarre
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LatwPIAT posted:The Assamite clan weakness changed a lot. Vitae addiction, Vitae allergy, their skin turning blacker as they grow older and more evil... Successive updates to the setting have done a lot to mellow out the Assamites as more than just the "Arabic assassin and terrorist vampires", but ultimately they're a brainchild of early 90's White Wolf thinking, which means they're laden with racism being core to the concept of the Clan even in the 20th Anniversary editions.
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Mar 26, 2017 21:14
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The one saving grace of TGD is that it produced scaling fighter feats, which I think really help solve the caster/non-caster problem.
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Halloween Jack posted:Jaws and Joe Young? That's what FMGuru is talking about and it's so drat bizarre that's not something present even in tomes and ends of the matrix, it's specifically an after sundown thing. AS's whole premise is mashing up all sorts of disparate horror-adjacent genre fiction into a whole that still had coherent magical rules. FMguru's idea that Trollman or TGD posters can't understand theme or symbolism is baffling even when you just look at after sundown, because the back half is soggy with travelogues interspersed with boring rambling analysis of what horror themes actually mean and how to incorporate them into this game which really doesn't support anything that isn't somewhere between scooby doo and van helsing. stop being goony psychoanalysts. sometimes a book sucks because the writer isn't very good at conveying their ideas, not because of some deep-seated inability to comprehend ideas which are not properly tackled in a particular work.
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Cease to Hope posted:that's not something present even in tomes and ends of the matrix, it's specifically an after sundown thing. AS's whole premise is mashing up all sorts of disparate horror-adjacent genre fiction into a whole that still had coherent magical rules. Is there a special class you had to take to become this much of an insufferable jackoff?
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Evil Plants doesn't even include Triffids as an example? Lame.
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Green Intern posted:Evil Plants doesn't even include Triffids as an example? Lame. I'm pretty certain I remember Triffids being mentioned in there somewhere.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I'm pretty certain I remember Triffids being mentioned in there somewhere. they're a broken out subtype I am shutting up about AS now though unless someone does a proper write up of it
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Nessus posted:Yeah, this is a general issue with oWoD, isn't it. I think there are some gains from rooting various supernatural splats in times, places, and cultures to some extent, but hoo boy, the Assamites and the Ravnos. And probably most of the werewolf tribes. Fundamentally, I don't think there's anything wrong with the concept of "Arabic vampire culture" or "Vampire-clan dominant in the Middle East" as concepts. I even think in my racist moments you might have some fun with the concept, like paralleling the Sunni/Shi'ite split by having creeds of vampires that split over some minor issue a long time ago that have evolved different practices to distinguish themselves from each other. But the Assamites started out as a racial caricature and for whatever reason, White Wolf adopted a process of never really saying "you know, that was horrible and racist, let's just scrap it and start over", which means that the Assamites are still portrayed as scimitar-wielding Levantine assassins in V20.[1] In some parallel universe, more cogent Iranians are posting on SomethingAwful about how silly it is that there's only one European vampire clan that were portrayed as Catholic crusaders with a discipline that makes them better at crusading and Catholicism, and in V20 they're depicted by a blonde, blue-eyed man in full-plate holding a zweihander in one hand and a great helm in the other. I see it especially in Ascension, where the entire thing is built on a very racist foundation (out of the Nine Mystical Traditions, we have seven variations upon the nuances of European magic, while all of shamanism is lumped into one category) and twenty years and three editions later, there's still seven variations upon the nuances of European magic, while all shamanism is lumped into one category. [1] Masquerade as a whole I think suffers from trying to force everything into Clans, so you can't just have "the way Arabic vampires tend to do things", you have to have the Clan-of-Arabic-vampires. The Assamites, for example, would probably work better if they were split into a Clan of vampire spooks/assassins[2] and a Sect or three of Middle Eastern vampires who comprise nomadic Gangrel, Ventrue with connections to the oil and shipping industry, Cappadocians who claim to have preserved Egyptian necromancy, Lasombra who immigrated back when Spain was part of the Ummayad empire, that sort of thing. [2] quote:They're a scattered, hunted-by-other-vampires Covenant-clan, spread all over the world. Their curse drives them to feed preferntially on other vampires. They form small coteries, practicing their blood magic which can only be fuelled with blood taken from other vampires, and certain elements of Camarilla society is alleged to have ties to these monsters who eat other Kindred, at least in the US and Europe Most of them are pretty weak-blooded, because they're a broken, scattered clan of hunted monsters. Or at least, they started off weak-blooded, because they're also known to be serial diablerists. In the slums of Washington DC, there's a sizable community of them, ruled over by a paranoid and low Humanity spook from the 50s. They form a secret cabal embedded into elements of the military intelligence community, misusing assets to hunt down Camarilla vampires, wearing black suits and sunglasses even at night (so the blood and the red eyes don't show)
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LatwPIAT posted:In some parallel universe, more cogent Iranians are posting on SomethingAwful about how silly it is that there's only one European vampire clan that were portrayed as Catholic crusaders with a discipline that makes them better at crusading and Catholicism, and in V20 they're depicted by a blonde, blue-eyed man in full-plate holding a zweihander in one hand and a great helm in the other. I mean, isn't that just the Salubri?
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:How about your appearance turns gradually inhuman in a way the player decides on? I could really go for cubistic vampire with all face symmetry gone. Night's Black Agents meets Dreamhounds of Paris. They already have a clan whose angle is being fugly, several bloodlines as well. It's thankfully ignorable and doesn't really play any greater part in their clan identity. The only one Assamite that I can remember that is mentioned as being inhuman because of age is Ur-Shulgi, who is the second Assamite. They make a big deal about how inhuman he is because he comes back, tells the clan they're all idiots and cowards, and goes all pre-Old Testament on them for not all following the Path of Blood. His childe, Al-Ashard has the opposite thing going on, he has a merit where he looks like a "normal" vampire and is pale. He's "good" and joins the Camarilla which is another aspect of the thing that's pretty sketchy. LatwPIAT posted:The Assamite clan weakness changed a lot. Vitae addiction, Vitae allergy, their skin turning blacker as they grow older and more evil... Successive updates to the setting have done a lot to mellow out the Assamites as more than just the "Arabic assassin and terrorist vampires", but ultimately they're a brainchild of early 90's White Wolf thinking, which means they're laden with racism being core to the concept of the Clan even in the 20th Anniversary editions. Yeah, even though in Revised they went more towards their Mesopotamian roots, it still has a weird Euro-American, Judeo-Christian black equals bad bent. I think they were going for more of an ancient horror from the Middle East angle but there's no mythological or eliptony basis for it. Where they got that and why they thought that was a good idea is beyond me. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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The 13th Age "Archmage Engine" SRD seems to be better organized and doesn't have nearly as much "cruft" as the corebook (and I put "cruft" in quotes because in some ways that stuff is still useful to have, we just want to skip right past it because it's not "for us" anymore)
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Just say Christian, the 'Judeo' part is just there to pretend at inclusion 99% of the time rather than actually refer to anything Jewish. Use Abrahamic instead if you want and are actually referring to something shared by Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
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LatwPIAT posted:Fundamentally, I don't think there's anything wrong with the concept of "Arabic vampire culture" or "Vampire-clan dominant in the Middle East" as concepts. I even think in my racist moments you might have some fun with the concept, like paralleling the Sunni/Shi'ite split by having creeds of vampires that split over some minor issue a long time ago that have evolved different practices to distinguish themselves from each other. I mean, I liked that all Garou aren't really better than each other, but their heritage spirits make an impact, that was IMO one of the big strengths of Werewolf. You get your giant war stick up front and also you ALL have that giant war stick.
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Mors Rattus posted:Just say Christian, the 'Judeo' part is just there to pretend at inclusion 99% of the time rather than actually refer to anything Jewish. Use Abrahamic instead if you want and are actually referring to something shared by Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Jewish scholars in the Middle Ages believed that the sons of Ham fathered the empires of Northern Africa. Islam isn't too big on dwelling on the curses and Biblical lineages from what I've read. It's a hard thing to quantify and I didn't mean it in a Steve Bannon type of sense.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I remember that After Midnight or whatever it was called was literally his TGD posts about the whole "WoD heartbreaker" idea, just put together into a single document without editing anything. I recall it still has undisguised use of White Wolf-specific neologisms, like just straight up referring to Prometheans who use Transmutation powers, etc. It was really just one step up from being Vampire: Undeath, a sourcebook for the Wastelands of Damnation. I Am Just a Box fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Halloween Jack posted:DW at least deserves credit for driving the simulationist crowd to a new level of insanity. The Gaming Den invented the memey phrase "Quantum Bears" because they really couldn't grasp the idea that, since DW embraces fail-forward storytelling, a consequence to the classic problem of "The adventure can't progress because the Rogue can't pick the lock" could be something like getting attacked by monsters. In their minds, that means that in DW you can summon infinite monsters by tapping a lockpick against a door, and therefore DW is insane and incoherent. And I still say having an adventure with a fail point like that is a problem with the scenario and has nothing to do with the system used.
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Halloween Jack posted:...DW you can summon infinite monsters by tapping a lockpick against a door, and therefore DW is insane and incoherent. But hold on, tapping a lockpick against a door is a completely different action than trying to pick the door's lock. It ought to be impossible to fail the former (because who would require a roll for that sort of thing?)
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Take away the problematic weakness and you get Assassin's Creed with Vampires, which is an awesome PC concept.
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 Whats this pathetic attempt at faux-arabic calligraphy. I know its not supposed to be recognizable as arabic/persian but still. At least they could have used a brush for the outside edge script. The bit in the middle is even sloppy. Oh and I dont think its racist, at least in intent. But it is hella orientalist. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Count Chocula posted:Take away the problematic weakness and you get Assassin's Creed with Vampires, which is an awesome PC concept. And Assassin's Creed already has a precedent for inhuman faces!
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Whats this pathetic attempt at faux-arabic calligraphy. I know its not supposed to be recognizable as arabic/persian but still. Im trying to read it and then I hit something like 3 vowel marks over an unconnected initial "M" and im confused why they didnt just do something like actual letters but spelling out in English "Drink more Ovaltine"
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Count Chocula posted:Take away the problematic weakness and you get Assassin's Creed with Vampires, which is an awesome PC concept. An all Assamite chronicle or a Black Hand, Cain's survivalist militia version, are pretty much this. Rigged Death Trap posted:
I honestly don't even think about this poo poo anymore because Kindred of the East broke my mind before I even got to a conversational level in Mandarin. I think it's supposed to be some ancient Middle Eastern language. I do think they cheaped out and did squiggles with it being some ancient tongue the Assamites still speak or write in but I'm not going to scour the clan books to verify or justify that. I think the Setites still speak Ancient Egyptian so it's possible. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Doresh posted:Coming soon to your local Kickstarter: Death to the Quantum Bear! "We rolled three 20s in a row and wound up walking into a dragon orgy."
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This time, on Deathwatch... Step 4: Derived Attributes: Movement, Wounds, Fate, and Experience Points These should be pretty brief and easy to cover. Movement is based solely on your Agility bonus plus your Size modifier. Within Deathwatch, you generally have four choices when it comes to movement - Half Move, Full Move, Charge, and Run. We’ll get into Deathwatch’s action economy a bit more in-depth when we get into the Combat chapter, but we can figure out our movement based on some simple equations: Half Move: Equal to our Ag Bonus Full Move: Ag Bonus x 2 Charge: Ag Bonus x3 Run: Ag Bonus x6 So for our Librarian with a Agility of 44, his movement looks like this: Half Move: 4 Full Move: 8 Charge: 12 Run: 24 It also probably helps to mention that movement and distanced are calculated using Meters. For everything in Deathwatch involving speed or distance, meters are the norm. The movement rates also hint at Deathwatch's action economy, which we can go into a little more detail about later. The quick and dirty way to explain the action economy in Deathwatch is: you can take either two half-actions or one full-action. For movement, Charge and Run count as full actions and carry their own benefits/drawbacks - there are compelling reasons to not just Run all the time versus taking Full Moves. Wounds are pretty straightforward - you roll 1d5 and add 18, which gives you a pretty slim range of 19 to 23 wounds. Wounds basically represent your ability to take punishment after reducing it by your armor and Toughness. Space Marines tend to have a really high wound total compared to any human, as a result of the superhuman endurance imparted to them by their genetic modifications/implants. To illustrate, the toughest human in Dark Heresy rolls 1d5+9, showing that Space Marines can take about twice as much punishment as the toughest human (Rogue Trader ones can take a bit more, but that’s because they’re special). Wounds typically don’t matter until you hit certain break points, which we’ll cover later. Generally, you will be just as good at fighting at full wounds as you are at zero wounds. When you get down to zero wounds though, you start taking critical damage. Enough critical damage, and you die (but we’ll also get into that later in the Combat section, because the 40k RPGs have a RoleMaster-like Critical Damage table). Critical damage is the ‘bad’ kind of damage, and can generally do unpleasant things to your character that permanently alter them. Typically, this revolves around limb loss. My favorite example of ‘bad’ critical damage is one that nearly kills you. Basically, your head is set on fire and you suffer such horrific burns that not only do you lose all your hair (depending on who you talk to though, all good Space Marines are already bald) your face is also FUBAR. The game asks you to roll 1d10. Congratulations - this is your new Fellowship score! This is the game’s way of hard-dicking face characters. No other ‘archetype’ suffers anywhere near as much from critical damage as anyone who’s built around Fellowship. All other archetypes are OK, as they can replace missing arms and legs with bionic replacements that function either as good as or better than the original. Storm Wardens' other bonus isn’t a characteristic bonus - it’s actually a bonus to wounds! So, rolling for Wounds gives us… 21, because we rolled terribly and added +2 wounds for the Storm Wardens bonus. Fate is another one of the attributes that we roll for. Fate points represent the Emperor’s favor in your destiny - and as Space Marines, who can claim direct ancestry to the Emperor, you tend to have a lot more of it than most. Fate points are Deathwatch’s (and consequently, most of the 40k line’s) Get Out of Jail Free cards - they allow some player agency in mitigating the impact of bad rolls/results. You can use Fate Points to reroll dice (but you must take that result), add a bonus to your roll (which you declare before you roll the dice), or even recover Wounds and reset Critical Damage (unless it resulted in limb loss). If you need to cheat death (i.e., your character takes enough critical damage to be killed), you can also use a Fate Point for that - but when you do, you permanently burn (lose) a Fate Point. Fate is pretty easy to generate - roll 1d10. Depending on your result, you’ll get a certain number of Fate Points. Space Marines are guaranteed to have a base minimum of 3 Fate points (which of course, is the maximum number of Fate Point a human in Dark Heresy can have). For our Storm Warden, we rolled an 8, giving him a total of 4 Fate Points - the Emperor favors him more than most! Experience is pretty basic - you start with 1,000 experience to spend on skills, abilities, and talents. I realized I didn't have any old 40k 1e art to put with any of my text for this update, so here you go: These are the Squats. There are many like them, but none of them are mine (thankfully).  DID YOU KNOW?! Chaos Space Marines, especially Noise Marines, used to be infinitely more  than they are now. Please note that his weapon is now a guitar. I imagine being killed by him might go something like this.
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Don't forget Marines move as if they had 1 more point of Agility bonus, since they're a size bigger than humans. Enemies don't get the normal + to hit them due to size, though, as their special rules let them dodge and move quick enough to negate it.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:27
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Night10194 posted:Enemies don't get the normal + to hit them due to size, though, as their special rules let them dodge and move quick enough to negate it. Almost. They only slip into the next size category with their power armor on, but the Black Carapace implant every Marine has interfaces with their power armor and cancels out the hit bonus through better mobility. Also the lifting tables have been copy-pasted from previous books. It's not unheard of to have a starting Space Marine so swole that you can't actually find out how much he can lift, since the table neither goes that high nor seems to follow any kind of clear and easy formula. Dareon posted:"We rolled three 20s in a row and wound up walking into a dragon orgy." Sitting alone on your hoard gets lonely eventually. Doresh fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 17:06
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LuiCypher posted:DID YOU KNOW?! Chaos Space Marines, especially Noise Marines, used to be infinitely more this is an extremely pro click
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Mar 27, 2017 17:19
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Listening to old System Mastery episodes, I burst out laughing when talking about shitfarmers in the Fantasy Wargaming review. More specifically, this line: "THe point of stories is that it's about extraordinary characters! No one wants to read about a farmer who farms and nothing else." Because this was a major literary genre in Quebec that we all had to study in school due to it's historical significance and we all hated. The reason why the genre existed was to keep the population as uneducated peasant who listened to the Church and didn't want anything better for themselves.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:03
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Shitfarmer gaming is great gaming if it's about getting out of the shitfarm and doing something amazing. Though that generally requires a stable group and a long term campaign, and a lot of shitfarmer gaming advocates don't seem to get the whole 'get out and do something incredible' part. And tend to insist ALL gaming should be shitfarmer gaming, which is just patently ridiculous. But zero to hero is a fun narrative arc.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Listening to old System Mastery episodes, I burst out laughing when talking about shitfarmers in the Fantasy Wargaming review. More specifically, this line: Speaking of System Mastery episodes, I've recently stumbled upon the same typo they mocked in Cyberworld while reading through the Cosmic Handbook for Mutants & Masterminds: Hivemind posted:Hiveminds provide the real threat of a PC being domi-
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Night10194 posted:Shitfarmer gaming is great gaming if it's about getting out of the shitfarm and doing something amazing. Though that generally requires a stable group and a long term campaign, and a lot of shitfarmer gaming advocates don't seem to get the whole 'get out and do something incredible' part. And tend to insist ALL gaming should be shitfarmer gaming, which is just patently ridiculous. Incidentally, few systems do this as well as WHFRP.
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