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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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White Wolf has always had this sulfurous whiff of the far right about them, which given what happened later with V5 shouldn't really surprise us.

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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Couldn't ebon dragon infernals, like, embody betrayal by betraying the ebon dragon (or something?) I'll admit that everything I know about this is third hand.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Not even the goddam vampires can escape Wizard Supremacy.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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So from reading them, Dominate is how you get the judge to let someone off, but Presence is how you get people to donate to your pet politician's fundraiser?

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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LatwPIAT posted:

(But the flashy special effects must not, under any circumstances, be gold!)

So they also have a problem with the people who have sun powers glowing like the sun? loving nerds man

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Zereth posted:

I'm guessing mundane materials like silver aren't very valuable in


wherever this is, I've already forgotten. Is it one big city?

see the sidebar of page 239 of book 3 for setting information

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Butter or die you damned heathens.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Augmetics are considered part of the idealized human form as an aspect of the Emperor in his form of the Omnissiah, the Machine God. Mutants are considered unclean because they deviate from that assumed perfection in uncontrollable (and worse, inheritable) ways. They're not an exercise of humanity's power over their own flesh, they're a defeat by nature or the Warp.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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MollyMetroid posted:

ok so like, the thing is that you're talking like a person who's never actually experience dysphoria. It isn't "cultural and social consequences" you twerp it's "I am in a body that is fundamentally wrong"

and the thing about psychosurgery you just said is mega-yikes holy poo poo

But that's where Eclipse Phase is. You can just decide, "I want to be this orientation this week", and get a procedure done. The whole goddam point is that even core personal identity issues are fungible here

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Zereth posted:

I think even the "Bronze" they have isn't the same bronze we have in reality, for that matter.

Gloranthan Bronze is made out of the bones of Storm gods that died during the Gods' War, and is found native in the Earth. Properly worked bronze is roughly equivalent to high quality iron or low quality steel.

Gloranthan Iron is a magic metal made out of solidified death and invented by the Mostali. It is endowed with special power to cut through magic and harm the Elves and Trolls, and to this day the Mostali regret not giving it the same power against humans. The skill and knowledge to work Iron is a closely guarded secret held by powerful smithing cults; it has no relation to our iron.

If you see a human with an iron weapon, especially a magical one, you should tread carefully. They are rich enough to afford the best equipment and powerful enough to earn it.

wiegieman fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Aug 2, 2019

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Hostile V posted:

Ha ha, who do you think are the absolute best in the setting at doing psychosurgery.

A: a trained medical professional.
B: one spicy someone who only existed for three years realtime but has lived 18 mental years inside of the world's most evil VR experiment where their minds were conditioned through psychotherapy and they've learned since grade school how to hack their own reality to piss off their parents.

Man, Eclipse Phase might be good if there was any indication that the authors Got It, which they apparently don't.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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If we take these traumatised god-children and train them to be super soldiers to fight our wars for us, there can only be good outcomes!

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Flail Snail posted:

Not particularly insufferable, just nonsensical.

Even this review, filtered through the lens of someone who is capable of typing coherent sentences and holding a normal conversation, is still like watching someone have a stroke.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Vampires as Gothy Cordyceps does give me a bit of a chuckle.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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So... these guys can cross over a time zone in a hour. Okay.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Mors Rattus posted:

Now, he can still be loving up your turf, which is a good reason to want him gone and a good reason to fight him, but you can't actually call him evil any more than you can call fire evil for burning things.

Sure I can. A fire is evil when an arsonist uses it to murder, and I have a hard time believing there's a case for the existence of someone whose sole reason for being is to spread disease and kill people.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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I suppose at that point you're responding to a natural disaster and not a crime, but it still strikes me as something it might be worthwhile to get worked up about (especially if you're a rage fueled killing machine.)

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Neopie posted:

Oh, for sure. Just, an earthquake isn't morally wrong. It's an earthquake, it just... is.

What if the earthquake is some kind of sentient earthquake actively seeking out towns to happen to, though? It might not have the moral framework to consider itself evil, but the people in the town would disagree.

It's a problem I have with a lot of "plague god" characters. They say they're part of the natural world, I say one aspect of capital E Evil is deliberate harm and you should shoot them with magic bullets before you hand out free vaccines.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Mors Rattus posted:

Werewolf is actually on your side - being natural doesn’t make it good. You absolutely should fight the plague wolf! He’s bad to have around! It just doesn’t say he is a moral evil, because that’d be Soulshitter, the Spirit Who Demands Human Sacrifuce For It’s Own Amusement. Both are bad to have around and should be fought, it’s just one is a talking natural disaster that can’t comprehend morality and the other thinks hurting people is funny.

That's cool, like a lot of nWoD seems to be cool. They seems to Get things a whole hell of a lot better than the clowns in charge of oWoD.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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The Chiron group will probably give you a bonus and a free extraction procedure if you get Host infected.

I also incredibly want to play a Vascu/Valkyrie game that's just Control but in nWoD.

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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Once hunters join one of the big tier 3 organizations ("Conspiracies") they get access to a specific schtick. Vascu agents have psychic powers due to radical FBI drug therapy, Task Force Valkyrie has high tech guns and devices, etc.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Warhammer campaigns should absolutely make the wizard run around and do stupid dangerous jobs to afford money in order to make it to tenure, because that sort of thing is where Warhammer is at its best. Sure, you have vast mystical power, but you also have student loans.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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So a spirit could provide influence over, like, Commerce? Or is that too abstract for them and would probably be Greed instead?

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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

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Friend Computer doesn't scare me nearly as much as an armed mob who make decisions with Spacebook polls.

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